Men on dating ts women

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly your a trans hater, and you sold all of us out for your personal gain.

That's not right, gain popularity the right way like every girl here without, victimizing your community and your sisters...
If selling myself is speaking honest truth about so many in our community..then consider me sold...

I really like that Bella has decided to work on her inner self and admitted to her issues..

So many can take notice of that and learn from it...

I have done some pretty heinous things in my younger life and I have made mistakes and I have said mean things I shouldn't of said..

But with counseling and looking at my inner self..I have grown as a woman...

I didn't feel I needed counseling cause I transitioned so young..but I learned so much more about myself and feel peace..

The positive light is that people can change!

And I just hope more of my umm "sisters" become more happy within and at peace

[pimpdog]

BTW is love how girls hate "chasers", GG's dont notice guys with ethnic fetish's or whatever.

[pimpdog]

My head is bigger then Evon's waist lol, I havent seen a women that petite since I dated 15 year olds when I was a Teen boy, maybe she will pull Teeny chasers too.

[EvonRose]

You are not speaking any truth! You are making personal gains by making us ts community the bad guys.... so that you lure men to support you on your venues... it's shame actually...

If your at peace with yourself theres no need for selfish gains, What you stated on this thread is not true... You have no loyalty, no sense of sisterhood, no sense of community, no sense of dignity. By stating such lies the more disrespect men will bring forth to the community because of this shameful thing your doing.

It's a disgrace..

[EvonRose]

I dont like to take sides to anyone ,i dont like to consider anyone sister ,maybe i could say a friend or a distance friend .

That's the thing I do look at the community as sisters, and would defend them.

In San Francisco that was my community, There should be a sense of loyalty and sisterhood...

[tsdvdman]

Kelly your a trans hater, and you sold all of us out for your personal gain.

That's not right, gain popularity the right way like every girl here without, victimizing your community and your sisters...
Kelly only started this thread after NOT being mentioned at all in the "who is the hottest WHITE tranny". She kept posting in there trying to get a mention but to no avail so she came up with this to get the guys attention. Anyone who can't see that is related to Ray Charles..lol

[sosed]

That's their choice to be treated like that. They could nicely educate the dude and then push him on his way..instead of being mean and demeaning..

Is it or they are subconsciously conditioned with their painful past experiences? The answer is not so easy. Everyone is different story.


but I learned so much more about myself and feel peace..

This is actually an answer to overcome subconscious pain with ending the war inside yourself, accepting yourself as a whole and be in peace with yourself. But the road to there is long and hard.

[tsadriana]

That's the thing I do look at the community as sisters, and would defend them.

In San Francisco that was my community, There should be a sense of loyalty and sisterhood...

Evon hun i had so many sister and in the end looks like they was the worse one...help who helps u...do not ever help someone who always espects to be helped.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly only started this thread after NOT being mentioned at all in the "who is the hottest WHITE tranny". She kept posting in there trying to get a mention but to no avail so she came up with this to get the guys attention. Anyone who can't see that is related to Ray Charles..lol
Do you honestly think I care about that?

I am not white dumb dumb..

[tsdvdman]

You are not speaking any truth! You are making personal gains by making us ts community the bad guys.... so that you lure men to support you on your venues... it's shame actually...

If your at peace with yourself theres no need for selfish gains, What you stated on this thread is not true... You have no loyalty, no sense of sisterhood, no sense of community, no sense of dignity. By stating such lies the more disrespect men will bring forth to the community because of this shameful thing your doing.

It's a disgrace..
I don't know if I've ever agreed with you before but you are spot on with this

[EvonRose]

Your truth is your need to play the victim..and you focus on the negative..I don't know why..I don't know you..

But sweetheart anyone who has watched you on this board can see you how you manifest on negativity..

I don't care about who my fan is or who likes me. There are plenty that don't. I speak my mind, because I say what I mean I always have. It's not to benefit a group or a sex.

It's saying something honest..

It is the very truth from working with transsexuals and hanging with them in social settings..

Ah no Kelly we have mutual friends who have seen me in person, so your again wrong.

You can ask them and i guarantee you anyone who knows me in person will say i am a good person and a friendly one at that, i may be emotional or passionate when it comes to debates, but that does not take away from my personality.

You are not honest, you are fake..

You put the thread up for selfish gains Im gonna say it again, I don't know why, but throwing us under the bus leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Your not speaking up at all about anything, you want to side with the majority of the men here by making us look like the bad guy and your the only ts who isn't.

But rest assure men, not all f you are the bad guys to us, when we project a feeling it isn't directed to ts lovers like what Kelly is making it seem.

[tsdvdman]

Do you honestly think I care about that?

I am not white dumb dumb..
Niether was half the girls mentioned either as you kept pointing out..lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

You are not speaking any truth! You are making personal gains by making us ts community the bad guys.... so that you lure men to support you on your venues... it's shame actually...

If your at peace with yourself theres no need for selfish gains, What you stated on this thread is not true... You have no loyalty, no sense of sisterhood, no sense of community, no sense of dignity. By stating such lies the more disrespect men will bring forth to the community because of this shameful thing your doing.

It's a disgrace..I have no sense of loyalty to people who don't deserve it..a majority do not...and many need a spoonful of castor oil.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Niether was half the girls mentioned either as you kept pointing out..lol
TSDVDMAN

Why on earth do you bother with me?

You follow me around this board...are you that unhappy?

I could care less what you do..

I do not care if I am mentioned in that thread..

I mentioned who I thought Angelica and Emily they are the only two girls I have seen in person that made me go whoa...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ah no Kelly we have mutual friends who have seen me in person, so your again wrong.

You can ask them and i guarantee you anyone who knows me in person will say i am a good person and a friendly one at that, i may be emotional or passionate when it comes to debates, but that does not take away from my personality.

You are not honest, you are fake..

You put the thread up for selfish gains Im gonna say it again, I don't know why, but throwing us under the bus leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Your not speaking up at all about anything, you want to side with the majority of the men here by making us look like the bad guy and your the only ts who isn't.

But rest assure men, not all f you are the bad guys to us, when we project a feeling it isn't directed to ts lovers like what Kelly is making it seem.
Unlike many I don't go off others findings...

I go off my own..some people will say someone is this that and the other in a negative light...and they are actually good and cool people...

Then you get the direct opposite when someone says a person is cool...

I live by my own experience sweetheart..not by others..

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's like so many girls put the "Mean Girls" DVD in and put it on repeat...

And then decided to act it out in their own lives...

That's all I am saying

And by the way I don't have that many friends in general...

I am very picky who I keep in my company even more so now than before...

So many are wolves in sheep clothing..

I would rather have a small group of friends than a big huge base of friends..

[tsdvdman]

TSDVDMAN

Why on earth do you bother with me?

You follow me around this board...are you that unhappy?

I could care less what you do..

I do not care if I am mentioned in that thread..

I mentioned who I thought Angelica and Emily they are the only two girls I have seen in person that made me go whoa...
Stop feeding your own ego. I do not follow you around this board. You must feel happy today because you are relevant in a thread again..lol..but you are miserable and a phony. You need attention that's why you came in that thread hopin you got mention and when you didn't you came up with this long self-serving intro for a thread.."gotta get the guys back on my side"..lol

[allurstouse]

It's just more homophobia towards bisexual men..

That's another big issue with trans women..if a guy is bi..it makes them feel manly..cause they think well if he is attracted to men..I must look like a man..they can't help it..it's just what their mind tells them...

yeah but that's sex alone and frankly a small part of sex. the brain is where it's at and the brain is all female. I get a kick out of beliefs my sexual openness makes me less masculine. it really just makes me less hung up and more able to enjoy what life has to offer and really ope to new experiences some of which end up being rewarding some not. I'd rather be open and adventurous than in denial about my actual sexual being.

I can't change prejudices but to be able to understand my pov really shouldnt be difficult for the women here given the number of times they have no doubt faced ignorance and statements so false held with such conviction that were laughable.

If I was DL self hating and in denial I could see the condescending attitude but really that whole line of thinking with the penis and the man and the doubt and insecurity it generates is a waste and seems like a real negative reinforcement on a woman's self image and a fuel to feed insecurity. I am not attracted to images of some of you not because i have slept with men and have some level of physical compatibility in bed it's because I find you beautiful. Because I see someone as sexy doeasn't mean I don't see a real human being with thoughts and feelings and not an object... Anyway i am looking forward to a meal out and the potential for a friend and hearing about someone's life that doesnt mirror my own. i think folks should just relax about gay straight bi and do what they are comfortable with and leave the judging to Pat Robertson.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Stop feeding your own ego. I do not follow you around this board. You must feel happy today because you are relevant in a thread again..lol..but you are miserable and a phony. You need attention that's why you came in that thread hopin you got mention and when you didn't you came up with this long self-serving intro for a thread.."gotta get the guys back on my side"..lol
Okay if you say so doll..

I love how you have gone after me just because I said I haven't find any men of colour I was attracted to besides famous people...

At least I'm honest...

I say exactly what I mean..

I barely post anymore and I need attention..OMG you are a child...

Anytime I post sweetheart you come in to down me..anyone can feel free to check my history and you will see TSDVDMAN right behind trying to put me down..

[Tyler___Durden]

Well I agree with her. If you want to date a TS woman then take her out as you would any woman and don't expect just because she's a TS it would lead to sex right away.
But I might want sex at the end of the first date rather than the third date.
You know, test driving. Why waste many hours of each others time just to find you don't click in the sack.
{Though this has to be part of a normal date type thing}
Oops! there is a whole load of performance pressure for the man!

Any man who wants a shag without normality of typical dating
ie meet in motel room shag, leave. Well he'll never get a real relationship.
And may well indeed not wish for one. But that make it all rather false.
The tg woman will think one of two things:
1. (Civilian) He's treating me like a Whore, that's so demeaning to me, never again.
or
2. (Pro) He's treating me like a Whore, fuck it, for this shit, I'm normally earning £160/hour....

[MrsKellyPierce]

yeah but that's sex alone and frankly a small part of sex. the brain is where it's at and the brain is all female. I get a kick out of beliefs my sexual openness makes me less masculine. it really just makes me less hung up and more able to enjoy what life has to offer and really ope to new experiences some of which end up being rewarding some not. I'd rather be open and adventurous than in denial about my actual sexual being.

I can't change prejudices but to be able to understand my pov really shouldnt be difficult for the women here given the number of times they have no doubt faced ignorance and statements so false held with such conviction that were laughable.

If I was DL self hating and in denial I could see the condescending attitude but really that whole line of thinking with the penis and the man and the doubt and insecurity it generates is a waste and seems like a real negative reinforcement on a woman's self image and a fuel to feed insecurity. I am not attracted to images of some of you not because i have slept with men and have some level of physical compatibility in bed it's because I find you beautiful. Because I see someone as sexy doeasn't mean I don't see a real human being with thoughts and feelings and not an object... Anyway i am looking forward to a meal out and the potential for a friend and hearing about someone's life that doesnt mirror my own. i think folks should just relax about gay straight bi and do what they are comfortable with and leave the judging to Pat Robertson.I do as well...I don't mind bisexual guys personally..

I find the guys that are so hung up on being straight have the most issues..

[KelticForce1349]

I am not interested in entering any of these asinine arguments against Kelly (or against anyone else for the record) but I can't help but feel that certain people are overly angry and once again fighting like rebels without a true cause.

This thread was a sound idea that has created a (mostly) valid discussion. I will add that the conversation that Kelly started is a very important topic to be discussed in our community. I know that I personally feel better that I was able to write many of feelings and frustrations regarding the ladies in this thread yesterday.

I really don't believe that loyalty to any particular group means toeing a party line or siding with a belief that one personally regards as wrong. I think it is extremely important for Kelly to voice her opinions ( as it is for each of us) and be a brave voice of dissent. You can't tell me it is all bullshit because her original post sure felt familiar to me in my own experiences.

[Tyler___Durden]

I've always told myself some of the difficulties in dealing with many TGs has more to do with how hard it is to BE transgendered.
I put up with more shit from a TG than I would a GG, to a point. If it's really too hard being up front with one another I just bounce and quit trying.
Fuck that's true.
My man deserves a medal.
Most of us are to varying degrees mentals.
I wouldn't date me. Leastwise, I'd not give me, my phone number....

[alyssaluxor]

Chasers will also see gay men but never say anything to us about it. Many chasers really do use TS as a gateway to dick. Some are into also children. You find these fucked up things out over time. After a year of being a bottom for every ts provider online, suddenly they go to a gay bathhouse to take it up the ass for free. Wtf?

That's why I want no part of 99% of them. Certain people are sex addicted and pathological liars.

I do believe in this!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I am not interested in entering any of these asinine arguments against Kelly (or against anyone else for the record) but I can't help but feel that certain people are overly angry and once again fighting like rebels without a true cause.

This thread was a sound idea that has created a (mostly) valid discussion. I will add that the conversation that Kelly started is a very important topic to be discussed in our community. I know that I personally feel better that I was able to write many of feelings and frustrations regarding the ladies in this thread yesterday.

I really don't believe that loyalty to any particular group means toeing a party line or siding with a belief that one personally regards as wrong. I think it is extremely important for Kelly to voice her opinions ( as it is for each of us) and be a brave voice of dissent. You can't tell me it is all bullshit because her original post sure felt familiar to me in my own experiences.
Thank you the point of the thread was to bring something valid to the table..

Other than whose hottest...

I like social debate and opinions and these were my own thoughts that came from years of hanging with girls and helping girls.

This thread is not for personal gain and this thread is definitely not for attention..

I wanted everyone to put their opinions in..so any person that posted that got a response..I guess was for ATTENTION..

I mean honestly TSDVDMAN stretches the truth and facts so much..

[Tyler___Durden]

My ultimate fantasy is to become a vampire, and live forever.
Everyone you love grows old and dies.
And just stay the same, left behind, empty....
It's a shit existence.

[KelticForce1349]

Thank you the point of the thread was to bring something valid to the table..

Other than whose hottest...

I like social debate and opinions and these were my own thoughts that came from years of hanging with girls and helping girls.

This thread is not for personal gain and this thread is definitely not for attention..

I wanted everyone to put their opinions in..so any person that posted that got a response..I guess was for ATTENTION..

I mean honestly TSDVDMAN stretches the truth and facts so much..

I never doubted your intention with this thread for a second. I was relieved that I found a thread where I felt I had the appropriate chance to state so many of my feelings that I have been holding in.

If I were you I would not expend much energy trying to defend your original intention, I believe it was clear that you have formed your own opinion on this subject and wanted to know if/how many others shared similar beliefs.

I believe anyone that came into this thread with a clean slate about you is not upset or angry over this thread. Thank you again for starting a thread that has true substance Kelly.

[Tyler___Durden]

it is also the underlying reason for your problem. you cannot expect to be treated like girlfriend material if you're an escort. also you said you get a number of calls from people that want to date you. have you ever wondered who looks for a girlfriend from escort ads?
Really?
It's just a job.
I escort and have been with my man for 3+ years.
I've other ts friends who escort/shoot porn and they are also in long term relationships.

[Wendy Summers]

Here's a crazy, kooky thing, but... could both sides be right?

I've stayed out of this topic because it's something I feel somewhat awkward discussing... I should state for the record that unlike 99% of my posts here, I'm being serious with this one.

I do see Kelly's point, but I think the reason I do is I come from a world of privilege that most TSs on the board don't have. I'm white; I'm well educated; on top of my adult entertainment work I function in the corporate world as a manager. I'm a part of mainstream society.

I don't live in the shadows. I don't struggle wondering when I'm going to see my next payday. I have folks who readily accept me as a woman (in fact most folks in my day to day life have zero idea I am a transsexual).

I live a life denied to most transsexuals. I'm both aware of how lucky I have been and grateful for it.

It gave me far different experiences with men. Only ONE of the men I have ever dated knew I was transsexual before they expressed interest in me. I had the chance to know they were into WHO I was long before they knew WHAT I am. That's not to say the men I've dated hadn't had previous experiences with transsexuals -- most had. I've never experienced the "chaser" scenarios most describe because of how I met the men I did. Yet had I met these same men other under circumstances they'd likely meet "chaser" criteria. My situation frames and alters how I view these men.

Take then the perspective of my sisters who do find their best economic option to be an escort. Many times they get a first-hand look at the worst of people. I know that as a webcam girl I've had to learn to create a fabricated intimacy with my fans and it does skew my own ability in my personal life to express true intimacy. I can't fathom the effect that situation would be for the women who do work escorting. I don't escort precisely because I know if I did it, I'd likely be equally as jaded.

The scary thing is... I'm not sure if I simply view the world through rose colored glasses or if those who are more negative towards men have sunglasses on so dark they can't truly see anymore.

My suspicion is that the reality lies somewhere between our perspectives. There are some guys who are good and true and don't deserve the bum rap and that there are some who are bad jerks who do.

My thoughts anyway

ok enough serious shit - I'm back to the jokes.

[Jslimnj10]

That was a lot of dam threads to read...anyways...me personally i would give anything to date a nice transsexual women...an I do mean date...for how ever long till us both were comfortable with each other. I love sex like the next person but I need more substance when going out with someone...I've like transsexual women for the longest time and I'm only 28. All the ones I've ever met r of the working class..if I wanted that I'd go to ny and visit the tranny clubs....it's so hard to find that down to earth transsexual beauty...if anyone knows where to start please feel free n let me know

[buttslinger]

When I was 22 me and my friends would go to friend's houses, parties, clubs, and concerts. Escorts were not even considered, we guessed they were just dolled up victims of broken families.
In my thirties I would steal money from my job, go to the strip clubs and then date prostitutes. I found they had a closeness with each other and all knew each other, but they were also competitive with each other. Their careers all ended badly, and I do mean badly. I was afraid to get too close to them.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Here's a crazy, kooky thing, but... could both sides be right?

I've stayed out of this topic because it's something I feel somewhat awkward discussing... I should state for the record that unlike 99% of my posts here, I'm being serious with this one.

I do see Kelly's point, but I think the reason I do is I come from a world of privilege that most TSs on the board don't have. I'm white; I'm well educated; on top of my adult entertainment work I function in the corporate world as a manager. I'm a part of mainstream society.

I don't live in the shadows. I don't struggle wondering when I'm going to see my next payday. I have folks who readily accept me as a woman (in fact most folks in my day to day life have zero idea I am a transsexual).

I live a life denied to most transsexuals. I'm both aware of how lucky I have been and grateful for it.

It gave me far different experiences with men. Only ONE of the men I have ever dated knew I was transsexual before they expressed interest in me. I had the chance to know they were into WHO I was long before they knew WHAT I am. That's not to say the men I've dated hadn't had previous experiences with transsexuals -- most had. I've never experienced the "chaser" scenarios most describe because of how I met the men I did. Yet had I met these same men other under circumstances they'd likely meet "chaser" criteria. My situation frames and alters how I view these men.

Take then the perspective of my sisters who do find their best economic option to be an escort. Many times they get a first-hand look at the worst of people. I know that as a webcam girl I've had to learn to create a fabricated intimacy with my fans and it does skew my own ability in my personal life to express true intimacy. I can't fathom the effect that situation would be for the women who do work escorting. I don't escort precisely because I know if I did it, I'd likely be equally as jaded.

The scary thing is... I'm not sure if I simply view the world through rose colored glasses or if those who are more negative towards men have sunglasses on so dark they can't truly see anymore.

My suspicion is that the reality lies somewhere between our perspectives. There are some guys who are good and true and don't deserve the bum rap and that there are some who are bad jerks who do.

My thoughts anyway

ok enough serious shit - I'm back to the jokes.
Great post Wendy!

[Nicole Dupre]

That was a lot of dam threads to read...anyways...me personally i would give anything to date a nice transsexual women...an I do mean date...for how ever long till us both were comfortable with each other. I love sex like the next person but I need more substance when going out with someone...I've like transsexual women for the longest time and I'm only 28. All the ones I've ever met r of the working class..if I wanted that I'd go to ny and visit the tranny clubs....it's so hard to find that down to earth transsexual beauty...if anyone knows where to start please feel free n let me know
How do you win the title of "NJ's #1 bottom"? lol

[alyssaluxor]

Really?
It's just a job.
I escort and have been with my man for 3+ years.
I've other ts friends who escort/shoot porn and they are also in long term relationships.

:iagree:

My TS friend is an escort in Japan now shes married to a German guy and now lives in US. Shes always been very loyal to her husband. She dont even hang out with us anymore because she just wants to focus on her husband and take care of him.

Another TS escort friend of mine now married to a Swedish guy and now living in Sweden. Very happy couple.

Another one also now married to a British guy, She will live with him on China soon. Shes also been very faithful to him. Since their relationship she didnt had sex with other guy only with her husband.

And i know many many other TS escort who have relationship and married also now. So many to mention.

Off course all of them stop escorting already

[EvonRose]

She has not mentioned the true light of it or explain the factual points to what we consider chaser, or what not.

To us ts women there is much more of a deep rooted feeling with this term as oppose to calling all men who admire ts chasers. She did not mention the abuse we get from chasers, the harassment, the lack of privacy. She plain and simple made it seem like we are the bad ones for not regarding chasers as something significant.

It's all fake to me!

Like what tvman said, i do believe it's for her personal gain for attention.

She speaks out against her own community, even as far as throwing us under the bus just for her reasons. Just for popularity with the boys? For what so she can put a fake facade of ts hater to be personable with the men she hopes to follow her, or to agree with her, and to tell her how great she is for throwing the rest of the ts women under the bus, she admitted it she's ignorant about the lifestyle, so what the hell does she know about chasers?

But hey it's a great way to feed your ego, and to be mentioned on the next who is the hottest ts/tv.

it all seems...

transparent
predictable
selfish
backstabbing

All for popularity vote.. lol...

[Wendy Summers]

How do you win the title of "NJ's #1 bottom"? lol

Nicole,

are you saying you want to challenge him for the title? :geek:

[MrsKellyPierce]

She has not mentioned the true light of it or explain the factual points to what we consider chaser, or what not.

To us ts women there is much more of a deep rooted feeling with this term as oppose to calling all men who admire ts chasers. She did not mention the abuse we get from chasers, the harassment, the lack of privacy. She plain and simple made it seem like we are the bad ones for not regarding chasers as something significant.

It's all fake to me!

Like what tvman said, i do believe it's for her personal gain for attention.

She speaks out against her own community, even as far as throwing us under the bus just for her reasons. Just for popularity with the boys? For what so she can put a fake facade of ts hater to be personable with the men she hopes to follow her, or to agree with her, and to tell her how great she is for throwing the rest of the ts women under the bus, she admitted it she's ignorant about the lifestyle, so what the hell does she know about chasers?

But hey it's a great way to feed your ego, and to be mentioned on the next who is the hottest ts/tv.

it all seems...

transparent
predictable
selfish
backstabbing

All for popularity vote.. lol...
Umm yes I did..I said to me the terminology tranny chaser is thrown around too much...

And good grief isn't that terminology outdated yet..how about just calling them cocksuckers??

A trannny chaser to me is someone that is as I stated like Christian who will fuck any tranny just to have the notch on his bed post...but at least Christian owns it..

That's a tranny chaser...

Abuse?? A lot of times that abuse is a reaction from how you treated them....by demeaning them...

I explained that...obviously sweetheart you post opinion..but don't read..

I feel a large amount of the time girls are their own worst enemy...

And for you to deny that..is hilarious to me..

Especially if you have been living your life so long as a transsexual and hung around the transsexual community

I just feel our community is full of "beautiful disasters" that need counseling...

We have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many assholes...that bring our community down..and I'm speaking about US..not men

[EvonRose]

Wendy, I see your point...

However, I am also from a very privilege and famous family! (I wish i could say it i really do, But I can't give them that attention i am afraid it might become big... but take my word for for it)

My family have millions of dollars and many estate business in Asia to this day i am privileged, and very comfortable. When My parents pass even tough we had our share of hardship I will be well taken care of.

I chose to rebel, and go against my family because I was unjustly treated. I wanted to prove i can make a living for myself, and not rely on my dad.

When i ventured on my own at 15-16 i saw the real world of what ts/tv go trough. So I Sympathized with them, and even urged my mom to donate money to new dimension to help the community in San Francisco with transitioning.

My intent is never evil when I say just be careful with chasers, I mean it from the bottom of my heart, I hate to see ts get burned and used I really do. But i don't like it when People make it seem i hate all men into ts, I urge everyone to support the community men and women alike.

That starts with understanding the root, the Kelly lacks... She is bringing more harm than good by saying stupid ignorant things like that. She lack's compassion, and understanding... because she is selfish for her own attention seeking motives.

[lifeisfiction]

Hmmmm, do I suspect a trust fund baby?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Wendy, I see your point...

However, I am also from a very privilege and famous family! (I wish i could say it i really do, But I can't give them that attention i am afraid it might become big... but take my word for for it)

My family have millions of dollars and many estate business in Asia to this day i am privileged, and very comfortable. When My parents pass even tough we had our share of hardship I will be well taken care of.

I chose to rebel, and go against my family because I was unjustly treated. I wanted to prove i can make a living for myself, and not rely on my dad.

When i ventured on my own at 15-16 i saw the real world of what ts/tv go trough. So I Sympathized with them, and even urged my mom to donate money to new dimension to help the community in San Francisco with transitioning.

My intent is never evil when I say just be careful with chasers, I mean it from the bottom of my heart, I hate to see ts get burned and used I really do. But i don't like it when People make it seem i hate all men into ts, I urge everyone to support the community men and women alike.

That starts with understanding the root, the Kelly lacks... She is bringing more harm than good by saying stupid ignorant things like that. She lc's compassion, and understanding... because she is selfish for her own attention seeking motives.
I laughed at all this..

And I'm the Queen of Sheeba..

[EvonRose]

I laughed at all this..

And I'm the Queen of Sheeba..

The difference is I am actually telling the truth and your delusional..

[KelticForce1349]

She has not mentioned the true light of it or explain the factual points to what we consider chaser, or what not.

To us ts women there is much more of a deep rooted feeling with this term as oppose to calling all men who admire ts chasers. She did not mention the abuse we get from chasers, the harassment, the lack of privacy. She plain and simple made it seem like we are the bad ones for not regarding chasers as something significant.

It's all fake to me!

Like what tvman said, i do believe it's for her personal gain for attention.

She speaks out against her own community, even as far as throwing us under the bus just for her reasons. Just for popularity with the boys? For what so she can put a fake facade of ts hater to be personable with the men she hopes to follow her, or to agree with her, and to tell her how great she is for throwing the rest of the ts women under the bus, she admitted it she's ignorant about the lifestyle, so what the hell does she know about chasers?

But hey it's a great way to feed your ego, and to be mentioned on the next who is the hottest ts/tv.

it all seems...

transparent
predictable
selfish
backstabbing

All for popularity vote.. lol...

Evon...I really do not wish to get into an argument with you so please don't think I am saying this with any malice towards you at all. I just don't see how Kelly benefits from this thread; she already has/or had her successful career and much more importantly she is in a healthy loving stable relationship.

We all have opinions about things and I that includes Kelly. I don't ask or expect you to agree with her opinions, I am just disappointed (or confused) that you feel that her intention was to hurt others for her own gain.

I think this was just an honest thread that was bound to have some strongly divided opinions.

P.S. On another subject...( I say this with a playfulness rather than any mean spirit for the record) how in the world can you blame a (presumably bisexual) man for thinking or feeling like he has hit the jackpot upon meeting you? lol. I think I could have easily been one of the many guys that met you and liked you for the combination of your stunning looks, your "parts" your personality, etc. No disrespect from me to you at all, just putting that thought out there.

[MrsKellyPierce]

The difference is I am actually telling the truth and your stupid.
Sure doll..you just contradicted yourself

But it's really not important..

[Tyler___Durden]

To me paying for an escort is like saying "My bedroom skills are terrible

Or:
"I would like to have an extraordinary experience which I've yearned for
and I wish to meet a true professional who can show me"

A bit like test driving a Maserati.

[EvonRose]

Sure doll..you just contradicted yourself

But it's really not important..

Well I understand it's hard to believe..

But your kinda washed up and old? so you need to deal with it.

[buttslinger]

http://thedccenter.org/facts_transgender.html

In Washington DC, check these facts. Feel free to ignore them, if you like.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I understand it's hard to believe..

But your kinda washed up and old? so you need to deal with it.
lmao

A minute ago you said you couldn't get the SRS cause you want to make sure you can supply for yourself etc..

And then now it's I have a rich family.....

Make up your mind...

I have no reason to throw catty remarks..just pointing out the obvious...

[muh_muh]

I'm about unity..our community would be stronger if the men into us would stand up for us more..I think we'd have a lot more men standing up for us if we treated them more like humans...

lets not forget the irony of complaining about being called this or that but being a-ok with calling any guy tranny chaser

also i love the whole idea of sisterhood that flies right in the face of plenty of stories that have been posted and played out on this very board (the bonds of sisterhood seemed to be particularly strong in chicago)


This thread was a sound idea

this clearly shows how short your stay on these forums has been
if you couldnt see that this would turn out exactly the way it did from reading the first post you havent experienced this place at all yet (not that im complaining im massively amused and entertained by all this)

[MrsKellyPierce]

http://thedccenter.org/facts_transgender.html

In Washington DC, check these facts. Feel free to ignore them, if you like.
Those are really good facts and the truth...

[EvonRose]

Evon...I really do not wish to get into an argument with you so please don't think I am saying this with any malice towards you at all. I just don't see how Kelly benefits from this thread; she already has/or had her successful career and much more importantly she is in a healthy loving stable relationship.

We all have opinions about things and I that includes Kelly. I don't ask or expect you to agree with her opinions, I am just disappointed (or confused) that you feel that her intention was to hurt others for her own gain.

I think this was just an honest thread that was bound to have some strongly divided opinions.

P.S. On another subject...( I say this with a playfulness rather than any mean spirit for the record) how in the world can you blame a (presumably bisexual) man for thinking or feeling like he has hit the jackpot upon meeting you? lol. I think I could have easily been one of the many guys that met you and liked you for the combination of your stunning looks, your "parts" your personality, etc. No disrespect from me to you at all, just putting that thought out there.

There was another thread, that she wasn't mentioned the one of the most beautiful ts, she kept on posting I believe in hope of someone putting her up, so i guess I believe this was her motives for trying to be personable with the men to gain that vote so she can be put up, the expense was her community.

Honestly everything she stated below is false, in the community.

[MrsKellyPierce]

lets not forget the irony of complaining about being called this or that but being a-ok with calling any guy tranny chaser

also i love the whole idea of sisterhood that flies right in the face of plenty of stories that have been posted and played out on this very board (the bonds of sisterhood seemed to be particularly strong in chicago)



this clearly shows how short your stay on these forums has been
if you couldnt see that this would turn out exactly the way it did from reading the first post you havent experienced this place at all yet (not that im complaining im massively amused and entertained by all this)
MUH MUH I have always enjoyed you...and you hit the nail on the head!

[EvonRose]

lmao

A minute ago you said you couldn't get the SRS cause you want to make sure you can supply for yourself etc..

And then now it's I have a rich family.....

Make up your mind...

I have no reason to throw catty remarks..just pointing out the obvious...

Did you not read?

I went on my own no support as of now....

I have held my head above water on my own with no support of my family since 16, on my own.

Now if they do pass yes I will get the inheritance, me and my sister... But As of now we are not in good terms, I love them tough. so don't get me wrong.

You want to use your privilege as an excuse to be ignorant, well it's not I'm just as privileged as the next person. But I still struggled.

[Nicole Dupre]

When I was 22 me and my friends would go to friend's houses, parties, clubs, and concerts. Escorts were not even considered, we guessed they were just dolled up victims of broken families.
In my thirties I would steal money from my job, go to the strip clubs and then date prostitutes. I found they had a closeness with each other and all knew each other, but they were also competitive with each other. Their careers all ended badly, and I do mean badly. I was afraid to get too close to them.
Most escorts have no plan B. I know I didn't originally. I sold my body as a fem fag before I ever considered going to college. It's almost a miracle that I even went to school, and didn't just get used to a lazy lifestyle of partying and letting sex overshadow everything else. But I wanted more than fleeting validation and easy money. I need sanity. So I don't want confused guys, bi-guys, guys on the DL, etc. I think the big turn off about so many of these guys is that I know better, and it's a turn off. Guys who are losers literally turn me off. But it's not only how much money they have. I don't care about money that badly. It's that they lie to their wives, GFs, families, and friends. It's that they have no strength of character. No sense of pride. And if they're not proud of who and what they are, they'll never be proud of me, even if we're private about it. I need that type of validation from my man. My life has been about putting an end to being caught between two worlds, so I don't want a guy who's not 100% into whatever it is that he's doing in life. And that includes who they fuck. So I don't want someone who's bi. Personally, I only like men with cocks. So I want a guy who only likes women with cunts.

Ok. Rant over.

[MrsKellyPierce]

There was another thread, that she wasn't mentioned the one of the most beautiful ts, she kept on posting I believe in hope of someone putting her up, so i guess I believe this was her motives for trying to be personable with the men to gain that vote so she can be put up, the expense was her community.

Honestly everything she stated below is false, in the community.
Sweetheart I don't need any fans to reassure me..

I reassure myself...I posted in the thread cause the old one had the same thing...

I said why don't you guys just post in the old one for the hottest white chick they will all be the same latin girls..

It was comical..

I also posted on Michelle Austin Thread that Chris was black...when she said Kim couldn't get rid of the BBC..

I was mentioned in the thread though lol

But I'm not white..

Girl I am gonna be 30 I have been on these hot lists and had number 1 dvds and men who bought me thousands of dollars of stuff off my wishlist..I never met...

I don't need reassurance...I am happy with me and happy in my life..

Seems you aren't..since you go after looks so much lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

Did you not read?

I went on my own no support as of now....

I have held my head above water on my own with no support of my family since 16, on my own.

Now if they do pass yes I will get the inheritance, me and my sister... But As of now we are not in good terms, I love them tough. so don't get me wrong.

You want to use your privilege as an excuse to be ignorant, well it's not I'm just as privileged as the next person. But I still struggled.Speak whatever you will doll..doesn't take a psychology degree (which I have) to know when someone is living in delusion..

[Tyler___Durden]

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???
Exclusively seeks recreational sex with a tg or ts, behind closed doors of a club or motel room.
Never prepared to share this desire with the outside world.
Also see: 'Closet, right at the back of that they have a season ticket to Narnia (http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lion,_the_Witch_and_the_Wardrobe_%28book%29)'

[Jslimnj10]

This is definitely a good thread...I'll be honest I'm a masc.male who does enjoy bottoming for beautiful transsexual women...it may be the reason why it's hard to find honest ts women out there but I don't lie about what I like or who I am as I do not judge in return.

[EvonRose]

Sweetheart I don't need any fans to reassure me..

I reassure myself...I posted in the thread cause the old one had the same thing...

I said why don't you guys just post in the old one for the hottest white chick they will all be the same latin girls..

It was comical..

I also posted on Michelle Austin Thread that Chris was black...when she said Kim couldn't get rid of the BBC..

I was mentioned in the thread though lol

But I'm not white..

Girl I am gonna be 30 I have been on these hot lists and had number 1 dvds and men who bought me thousands of dollars of stuff off my wishlist..

I don't need reassurance...I am happy with me and happy in my life..

Seems you aren't..since you go after looks so much lol

So Latins can't be white?

So your popularity was fading, and you need to keep it up I get it! So you sold us out to remain on your spot that you no longer are on... Well it makes sense you have a new pretty face that deserves to be put up there, And you just want the reassurance that your new face is cute... But honey there are way better looking girls there that are not posted up... NEWSFLASH!

[EvonRose]

Speak whatever you will doll..doesn't take a psychology degree (which I have) to know when someone is living in delusion..

Well there goes your credentials....

[MrsKellyPierce]

So Latins can't be white?

So you popularity was fading, and you need to keep it up I get it! So you sold us out to remain on your spot that you no longer are on... Well it makes sense you have a new pretty face that deserves to be put up there, And you just want the reassurance that your new face is cute... But honey there are way better looking girls there that are not posted up... NEWSFLASH!
Umm I never have ever claimed to be the hottest

Nor have I ever acted like I was..

I have always been the fun, nice, and silly girl

I take looks with a grain of salt.. I got surgeries to match how I felt inside...

Not to be paraded around like a show poodle..I did porn at one time for money for surgeries..I was always honest with my fans about that..

Now I'm doing porn cause it's fun to do with my husband...And I'm an exhibitionist..

It has nothing to do with oh do you think I'm hot...

Again I don't expect you to know that...

nor do I need to ask anyone else to say that's what I do or am...

But sweetheart you got me pegged all wrong

[yodajazz]

I have loads of friends - FEMALE friends lol

And then I have Jesse and Foxxy who are fun, sweet, and just no drama...

I choose to surround myself with people aren't negative and hateful towards everything...

I mean most of the ts I have hung with complain about men 24/7...it's like shut up!

I don't need more fans..the fans I have are true to me and have stuck by me...I don't really care about that..

I was bringing up a valid point...

Just like I was gonna make a thread why trans women hate each other so much..from beginning to veteran girls..so much hate..

I try to bring up valid points on this forum...instead of the whose hotter than who and whose this and whose that crap...

I like social debates and I like opinions on topics..whether they be touchy or not...

I use all this for my blog..

Transexual are part of the human race, and are thus subject to all the pitfalls of the rest of humanity. We all need to be careful about being around too much negativity from those around us. It part of what is sometimes called "group dynamics". It's one thing to be upset about the behavior of an individual, and another to generalize that behavior to a group of people, such a labeling someone a "chaser', in this case. What happens in group dynamic thinking is the people lose the ability to see the qualities of the individual, thus missing out on, potentially, great people, and overall happiness.

I have heard t-girls on this forum, say the guys on here are all 'losers', etc. But ther have been litterally thousands of men, who have posted here, that have expressed a mulitude of opinions on every subject. On a deeper level, when you label people "losers", you are the one who really loses. It seems to me that Kelly's original post, was about that negative group dynamics that t-groups sometime get. Years ago I went with a group of t-girls to one of their places, after meeting one at a club. I was suprised at how negative they were towards men, that liked them. I come to the conclusion that they did not love themselves, when they expressed contemp for those that did not live up to their version of 'manhood'. So I understand Kelly's original post.

What I see, is that t-girls sometimes get so emershed in the issues they face, they fail to see the bigger picture; that is, they have common issues with all women. All women, have to be aware that most men want sex more than anything at first, but they learn to use that to find who better, or best for them. It could start off with pure physical attraction, but turns into something much more, when the man starts to see a future together for them.

I do understand that trans people deal with lots of negative things from the greater society, so much of the negativity comes from a defensive mindset. There is a path to happiness that does not include acheiving society's standards of physical beauty. One key is to better understand what inner beauty is about, and the other is about giving Love to others in the world. But people usually have to taught these things. Not enough is taught to trans people, about their own inner beauty, and value to humanity. But this is slowly coming to pass.

Thanks Kelly, and everyone else for your thoughts. Amen!

[buttslinger]

I only like men with cocks. So I want a guy who only likes women with cunts.

You have a perspective most girls don't on this site.

[EvonRose]

Umm I never have ever claimed to be the hottest

Nor have I ever acted like I was..

I have always been the fun, nice, and silly girl

I take looks with a grain of salt.. I got surgeries to match how I felt inside...

Not to be paraded around like a show poodle..I did porn at one time for money for surgeries..I was always honest with my fans about that..

Now I'm doing porn cause it's fun to do with my husband...And I'm an exhibitionist..

It has nothing to do with oh do you think I'm hot...

Again I don't expect you to know that...

nor do I need to ask anyone else to say that's what I do or am...

But sweetheart you got me pegged all wrong

So you couldn't get your face with your phyc degree?

Or your beauty dermatologist whatever you call it degree?

Show your credentials I will tell my family on here...

SWEETIE!!!

[Tyler___Durden]

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

Only some men. Escorting does dot define who I am.
My clients are not self-defined, by visiting me either....
People are more complicated than that.

[Jslimnj10]

Kelly...is it to late to say that I love you and you are the best!!! I may not agree with your views all the time but at least u speak you mind...and I respect you for it

[MrsKellyPierce]

So you couldn't get your face with your phyc degree?

Or your beauty dermatologist whatever you call it degree?

Show your credentials I will tell my family on here...
No honestly I couldn't..you want to know why?

Cause my pay check went to rent and basic living and paying back my loans...

I didn't have extra money at the end of the month...

If I did it went to going out sometimes or paying for hormones/laser/electro...

My parents died young..I put myself through school...

So NO I didn't have extra money for surgeries..

And I went years and years with out any just hormones...

That's why I got into porn...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly...is it to late to say that I love you and you are the best!!! I may not agree with your views all the time but at least u speak you mind...and I respect you for it
thanks :)

[EvonRose]

Just like men on here ts are not perfect

Some ts are very jaded with men, as men with ts.. it goes both ways....

You need to deal with it fairly as oppose to making only one side bad.

Ts women love men who understand, and care for us. Even though it is hard to date a ts, if there is tremendous effort a ts will see it, and will be a great lover...

Dont listen to the tranny bashing Kelly speaks of...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Transexual are part of the human race, and are thus subject to all the pitfalls of the rest of humanity. We all need to be careful about being around too much negativity from those around us. It part of what is sometimes called "group dynamics". It's one thing to be upset about the behavior of an individual, and another to generalize that behavior to a group of people, such a labeling someone a "chaser', in this case. What happens in group dynamic thinking is the people lose the ability to see the qualities of the individual, thus missing out on, potentially, great people, and overall happiness.

I have heard t-girls on this forum, say the guys on here are all 'losers', etc. But ther have been litterally thousands of men, who have posted here, that have expressed a mulitude of opinions on every subject. On a deeper level, when you label people "losers", you are the one who really loses. It seems to me that Kelly's original post, was about that negative group dynamics that t-groups sometime get. Years ago I went with a group of t-girls to one of their places, after meeting one at a club. I was suprised at how negative they were towards men, that liked them. I come to the conclusion that they did not love themselves, when they expressed contemp for those that did not live up to their version of 'manhood'. So I understand Kelly's original post.

What I see, is that t-girls sometimes get so emershed in the issues they face, they fail to see the bigger picture; that is, they have common issues with all women. All women, have to be aware that most men want sex more than anything at first, but they learn to use that to find who better, or best for them. It could start off with pure physical attraction, but turns into something much more, when the man starts to see a future together for them.

I do understand that trans people deal with lots of negative things from the greater society, so much of the negativity comes from a defensive mindset. There is a path to happiness that does not include acheiving society's standards of physical beauty. One key is to better understand what inner beauty is about, and the other is about giving Love to others in the world. But people usually have to taught these things. Not enough is taught to trans people, about their own inner beauty, and value to humanity. But this is slowly coming to pass.

Thanks Kelly, and everyone else for your thoughts. Amen!
Your posts are always spot on and help immensely

[EvonRose]

No honestly I couldn't..you want to know why?

Cause my pay check went to rent and basic living and paying back my loans...

I didn't have extra money at the end of the month...

If I did it went to going out sometimes or paying for hormones/laser/electro...

My parents died young..I put myself through school...

So NO I didn't have extra money for surgeries..

And I went years and years with out any just hormones...

That's why I got into porn...

Understood and commend you on your struggles...

But that goes with questions to me too you cannot ask me why i didn't do things just because my family are famous millionaires... I had my struggles too.. And had no right to demean my comment about my family.

[tsadriana]

No honestly I couldn't..you want to know why?

Cause my pay check went to rent and basic living and paying back my loans...

I didn't have extra money at the end of the month...

If I did it went to going out sometimes or paying for hormones/laser/electro...

My parents died young..I put myself through school...

So NO I didn't have extra money for surgeries..

And I went years and years with out any just hormones...

That's why I got into porn...
Kelly reading about what u was going throgh,i have even more respect ....some girls doesnt even know how is to fight to become someone in ur life and im not talking about Evon now,but are lots of girls out there who judge girls ,who actualy had a rough life and to become someone in their life was a long journey ,to not say a huge battle...all my respect for u Kelly x

[Tyler___Durden]

Ts women are miserable or sometimes lose hope in relationships because of chasers...
I honestly don't know any Ts women like that.
Most of my ts friends are happy and most are also in long term relationships.
One of them got married in 2010. (been together 10 years, previously)

[EvonRose]

I honestly don't know any Ts women like that.
Most of my ts friends are happy and most are also in long term relationships.
One of them got married in 2010. (been together 10 years, previously)

Wrong choice of words, but I meant irritated... Sorry...

[tsadriana]

This is for people who love judgeng others so easy.and is better to keep in mind.
Before you Judge my Life, my Past or my Character...Walk in My Shoes!!!Walk the Path I have Travelled,Live my Sorrow, my Doubts, my Fear, my Pain ... and my Laughter!Remember, "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged!"Everyone has Their Own Story!When you've Lived My Life, Then and Only Then,You Can Judge Me!!!

[EvonRose]

This is for people who love judgeng others so easy.and is better to keep in mind.
Before you Judge my Life, my Past or my Character...Walk in My Shoes!!!Walk the Path I have Travelled,Live my Sorrow, my Doubts, my Fear, my Pain ... and my Laughter!Remember, "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged!"Everyone has Their Own Story!When you've Lived My Life, Then and Only Then,You Can Judge Me!!!

Amen!

[giovanni_hotel]

Just sooo much drama. 'Chaser' to me is still a generic slur since the meaning varies so much from one TG to another, yet they ALL know what it means.

Labels are fucking CONFUSING. So to all the lovely ladies I leave you with....

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[pimpdog]

Your a pretty girl Kelly, the hard work paid off, but stay away from me, your always pounding guys in films lol.

[Admiral]

"Throw in the towel" with what? Being a tranny chaser?

Stop kidding yourself. Having sex with someone is not a fetish; not by definition. It's sex. Get over it. And if you consider yourself to be "gay", I won't argue with you. Good luck being a closet fag. But sex is sex. Bestiality is not a fetish. Necrophilia is not a fetish. And homosexuality is not a fetish. You just like cock. In fact, I would dare say that you must love it if you actually spend time on a forum like this.

And wtf do I care if you're a libertarian, a librarian, or Lebanese? I no longer even escort. So get off you fucking high horse around me, Admiral. I'm not here for a Vice Law lesson.

And maybe someone should cut your cock off, now that you mention it. You don't sound very bright. Maybe you'll fuck up the gene pool with your flawed reasoning skills. Personally, I want my cock inverted some day so it looks like a pussy. I'm like getting fucked. I'm a girl. And I want to be done with you delusional cock bandits and your hair-brain alibis that sucking my dick was a "fetish".

If you don't escort, does that mean you don't expect money? Or you do expect money but you don't call it "escorting?"

Fetish: definitions 1c and 3. From Merriam-Webster online.

Definition of FETISH
1
a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : prepossession c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2
: a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
3
: fixation
See fetish defined for English-language learners »
See fetish defined for kids »


Don't worry. My fetish doesn't extend to anyone as nasty as you.

[Nicole Dupre]

Don't worry. My fetish doesn't extend to anyone as nasty as you.You're just into cock, and I don't care about keeping mine. So it's mutual. Guys like you are meaningless to women with vaginas. And I don't "worry" about closet cases who regard human beings as fetishes, Admiral Poop Breath.

[Admiral]

I laughed at all this..

And I'm the Queen of Sheeba..

Ah. So you really aren't white.

[amberskyi]

If you don't escort, does that mean you don't expect money? Or you do expect money but you don't call it "escorting?"

Fetish: definitions 1c and 3. From Merriam-Webster online.

Definition of FETISH
1
a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : prepossession c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2
: a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
3
: fixation
See fetish defined for English-language learners »
See fetish defined for kids »


Don't worry. My fetish doesn't extend to anyone as nasty as you.


"an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression"

hmmm....so are you telling me that when guys are so cock (whats her size,does she come,im not interested in trannies who've had srs or dont use their cocks) fixated its actually a fetish?..no wayyyyyy

[SunshyneMonroe]

You hoes are crazy lol at the end of the day you all suck dick for money the end :)

[cragorama]

Most Tgirls do not like guys that are into tgirls, as stated.
To me it is looking a gift horse in the mouth.
However maybe this is just a sign the guy is billable.

My observations have led me to believe most tgirls only want straight guys with massive cocks that are not attracted to shemales in the least.

Many seem to think all guys that like tgirls are gay as can be.

:)

[mrbigler]

This is very interesting.. I have been dubbed a chaser in the past and it cracks me up.. I love beautiful women period, its just that simple. I do not get caught up in labels and all of that shit. Why does she have to be a GG or TG why can she not just be G. Its not about whats down there it about what inside her heart, mind and soul. Yes if things become intimate with any woman then your to please her in every way possible just as she is to do the same with you. If I have to be concerned about being a chaser a having a fetish because I want to please every inch of your body from head to toe then what the fuck is the point of developing something special with any G.

Now i have paid for time with both a GG and TG or a G in my case. Sometimes being out of town I wanted to be with a woman in that way and instead of playing the bar all night I skipped right to it.. other times I enjoyed the hunt, the game and so did she whether it was at a TG freindly spot, a reg spot or a who gives a fuck cuz I dont spot.

Show me the smile, let them eyes sparkle.. have a scent that makes me stop and seek you out. Be smart, confident and sexy and its on.. TG GG or better yet a G.. Dont label me cuz I will never label you

Kelly your one cool G

[giovanni_hotel]

Most Tgirls do not like guys that are into tgirls, as stated.
To me it is looking a gift horse in the mouth.
However maybe this is just a sign the guy is billable.

My observations have led me to believe most tgirls only want straight guys with massive cocks that are not attracted to shemales in the least.

Many seem to think all guys that like tgirls are gay as can be.

:)

Bizarre yet so true.
Which is why to me trying to get inside most TG's heads is like swimming in quicksand.

You may think you're making progress, but eventually if you don't climb out of that hole, you will drown.:salad

[EvonRose]

Most Tgirls do not like guys that are into tgirls, as stated.
To me it is looking a gift horse in the mouth.
However maybe this is just a sign the guy is billable.

My observations have led me to believe most tgirls only want straight guys with massive cocks that are not attracted to shemales in the least.

Many seem to think all guys that like tgirls are gay as can be.

:)

Well that's why ts make assumption of some men as chasers, because men make these ignorant assumptions as well...

Not true at all.

I like rocker types, who wear skinny jeans and leather jackets.... So please throw that dumb assumption out the window.

[Nicole Dupre]

Most Tgirls do not like guys that are into tgirls, as stated.
To me it is looking a gift horse in the mouth.
However maybe this is just a sign the guy is billable.

My observations have led me to believe most tgirls only want straight guys with massive cocks that are not attracted to shemales in the least.

Many seem to think all guys that like tgirls are gay as can be.

:)
It has nothing to with dicks. It has to do with certain guys having nothing but sex on their brains. And guys with cocks on their brain often sleep with men on the DL. Kelly even just said that her BF is bi. Do you just assume that all women want to date men who occasionally want to sleep with men? Maybe she's ok with it, but most women aren't. I'm not. And most transsexual women aren't. Maybe that mentality works out in your favor. I don't know if you're bi. But tranny chasers are often sleeping with men, behind even their TS GF's backs. But guys aren't going admit that here. They're just going to bitch about what horrible people transsexuals are for charging them for accommodating them sexually.

Anyway, GG escorts, strippers, porn stars etc don't mix business with pleasure, and neither do we if we're smart. People who meet Arianna have the chance to get to know ME. But if you came across me as "Nicole Dupre", you're either looking at porn or for escorts. And at that point, traditional dating isn't up for discussion. You're just another dude looking for a quick, cheap thrill. You're not dating or relationship material.

[Admiral]

"an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression"

hmmm....so are you telling me that when guys are so cock (whats her size,does she come,im not interested in trannies who've had srs or dont use their cocks) fixated its actually a fetish?..no wayyyyyy

Amber: That was in response to this from Nicole (page 17ish):


Stop kidding yourself. Having sex with someone is not a fetish; not by definition. It's sex. Get over it. And if you consider yourself to be "gay", I won't argue with you. Good luck being a closet fag. But sex is sex. Bestiality is not a fetish. Necrophilia is not a fetish. And homosexuality is not a fetish. You just like cock. In fact, I would dare say that you must love it if you actually spend time on a forum like this.

[allurstouse]

http://thedccenter.org/facts_transgender.html

In Washington DC, check these facts. Feel free to ignore them, if you like.

This is so unneccessary and tragic. There really has been an abject failure of the public health services to meet your needs and you could use some communitty activism. Some of you are clearly smart enough/. those numbers speak to an untold and avoidable legacy of human suffering. Complacency kills and silence in the face of injustice is aquisence

[SmithXXX]

I just recently got out of a relationship with a TS that lasted almost 4 years. I'll try not to repeat anything that hasn't already been said, but then again this post has 33 pages, and I got tired of reading the same things over and over. Many of you on this board know me, and know my EX as well. I will say this first off (and many of you will disagree). She is a wonderful woman and I will always love her, BUT over the time we'd spent together we had both changed, and made good and bad decisions.

We she and I had first met on (don't laugh) MYSPACE, we talked for a few months even before meeting face to face, and upon our first date we had a great time. At the end of the night she went to kiss me, and I had told her I don't kiss on the first date. Knowing in full that she wanted more than just a kiss, but out of respect for her I did not. The reason I didn't is that I wanted to show her that I am different than a majority of the men in the TS scene. After that night we had started to spend a lot of time together, and we didn't have sex until after we were together for over a month. She at the beginning of the relationship was not an escort. She had a full time well paying job (not in the industry). I had met her family, which was NOT easy for either of us at the beginning, but over time they saw that I had respect for her & treated her as the woman she is 100% of the time. She had also met my family as well. We had gone on vacations together, and when we were together everybody saw us as a happy couple in public and private. I did not nor will I ever hide the fact that I date transsexuals.
Well after time, and good and bad decisions on both of our parts we decided to call it quits.

It all broke down basically to this - She had a man that loved and respected her NOT for what is in between her legs, but for who she is as a woman. All she saw in me was a guy that prefers TS's opposed genetic women (yes I like both). So she labelled me a "tranny chaser", and she decided to listen to what other girls thought about "chasers", and that caused problems. For the later part of our relationship she preferred to go out to gay clubs or straight clubs, but didn't want me to go with her. So I'd go and hang out with my friends, and she decided to call me and my friends "Tranny Chasers" even though we did not go home with girls after the club, or really try to. We basically sit around have a couple drinks and talk about how delusional 85% of the TS's are....lol

No matter what we men do, no matter how much we try. Regardless if we support the community or not. If we like TS's we will all ways have the burden of being labelled as a chaser, a pervert, a client, etc....

My advice to the girls: DROP THE DRAMA, if the guy is a client keep it that way, if he's a dick or starts talking about sex right away then get rid of him unless he is a client. If he is generally interested in you then use your brain (AKA don't judge him or label him) and give it a shot. Don't have delusions of grandeur like the movies portray. Go on few dates with him, and treat them as real dates NOT PAY DATES. You may actually have fun, and meet a good guy.

My advice to the guys: The girls are NOT pieces of meat, or some toy for you play with and then discard at will. If she is an escort pay for it, don't expect a freebie. You don't work for free why should they? They are women and should be treated as such. Would you go up to a genetic girl at a club and start fondling them, and pawing all over them...No.

My advice to everybody: Just remember the Golden Rule - Do onto others as you would have them do on to you. We all have feelings, and don't like them to be hurt. Don't prejudge a person solely on what other people say, or where the go or who their friends are. We all have friends that are; Cool, better looking, uglier, idiots, etc...Be up front with your intentions, and if it's meant to happen it will, if it's not don't cause drama or label the person just because it didn't work out.

[EvonRose]

Exactly! I think For me I deserve a man who would put in 100 percent emotional, sexual, mental, support on me.

Like I said the thread came from a girl who's okay with being in relationships with gay men, or bi men. I really don't want that for me, not that i hate them Because I rally to support the GLBT community with love.

I don't want to ever feel like i am not enough for someone just because I can't fulfill their sexual fetish, or whatever.

This thread has done nothing but made everything in a bad light for ts women.
It's horrible to to throw your community down to make yourself feel better, when in reality it just takes a little understanding to know why we feel this way. There is a lot of emotional, physical, and mental negativity behind this and it is a defense for ts women to not get hurt, or abused or taken advantage of. Regardless of our occupation we are still human and we still hurt like anyone else, and chasers don't take that in consideration when they lie, cheat, abuse, take advantage, threaten, harass, and do us wrong.

But in no way do we think all men into ts are chasers, but we are careful. Just prove yourself right to a ts woman and she'll appreciate that.

Nicole s right on with the chaser definition...

[EvonRose]

My advice to everybody: Just remember the Golden Rule - Do onto others as you would have them do on to you. We all have feelings, and don't like them to be hurt. Don't prejudge a person solely on what other people say, or where the go or who their friends are. We all have friends that are; Cool, better looking, uglier, idiots, etc...Be up front with your intentions, and if it's meant to happen it will, if it's not don't cause drama or label the person just because it didn't work out.


i agree with you 100%

it isn't right to develop the mentality of all men into ts as gay, perverts, or chaser... Not true.

But there are chasers so lets not forget the guys that we really should distance our selves...

And you said what I said already but i wasn't heard.

I said if a guy just wants sex and it doesn't benefit me in any way would rather charge to gain something as oppose to leaving feeling empty and used... That's what i said until Kelly rudely twisted my words...

I really like you actually...

[Nicole Dupre]

if the guy is a client keep it that way, if he's a dick or starts talking about sex right away then get rid of him unless he is a client. If he is generally interested in you then use your brain (AKA don't judge him or label him) and give it a shot. Don't have delusions of grandeur like the movies portray. Go on few dates with him, and treat them as real dates NOT PAY DATES. You may actually have fun, and meet a good guy.This is exactly what I do.

[EvonRose]

Kelly just made it seem like all ts women view basically any guy to be chasers... that didn't sit right with me because ts know better. I felt a sabotage with her portrayal of ts image, and i felt if the purpose is to cause awareness, this was not the right thing to do. Instead I feel the image would be definitely misconstrued and it's an attacks to our community by her throwing us under the bus for her personal fame.

She does not explain our feeling behind not liking chasers

Or the fact of the real real world about what chasers do to us negatively, with or emotional, mental, and physical being.

Or the experiences we go trough and the confusion between ts lovers and chaser.

She was vague, fake, and careless...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Lmao....

Being bi automatically means a man cheats..oh lord girls...

I laugh so hard...

You guys don't want to be judged yet you point your finger and look down your nose at everyone and everything

Good Grief....

My husband is bi as am I.. we do threesomes together with men/women/ts when we pick them together and they have to play with both of us...

Everything is honest and done in front of each other...

Gay men aren't into transsexuals..they don't like boobs...much less all the feminine wiles...

I mean girls...don't you express this to straight guys who hate on you for being trans...

Yet you are hypocritical on this when a guy is bi...

So tiring..so confusing..and so so funny

[MrsKellyPierce]

If a man is into pussy and pussy alone..he isn't going to be into you...as soon as he finds out you have a boink boink...

You are living a fantasy...........if he is interested he has to be a little bi curious...

Sorry..that's the truth...

STRAIGHT MEN DON'T WANT THE COCK AT ALL!

And I'm sorry I don't want to be with a guy who doesn't get me off..

What if he can't fuck..oh yay he gets to cum..what the hell about me...

I mean this is just all too ridiculous..

And by the way before we get into more stereotypes..my husband is a top..I take it in the ass...

Just to clear the air on that...

I find the guys that are "straight" are usually the bottoms

[EvonRose]

Well what's the problem then Kelly?

Nicole already sad she wanted a sex change so obviously that's her reason for not wanting a guy who likes cock.

So what she said makes sense... Your the one with issues with women who prefer not to date guys who like cock.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well what's the problem then Kelly?

Nicole already sad she wanted a sex change so obviously that's her reason for not wanting a guy who likes cock.

So what she said makes sense... Your the one with issues with women who prefer not to date guys who like cock.
I am happy to hear Nicole is on that path, but most men will not date her until she has the operation if they were straight..and even then knowing she used to have one...may still turn them out..

IF THEY WERE really straight..

[EvonRose]

I am happy to hear Nicole is on that path, but most men will not date her until she has the operation if they were straight..and even then knowing she used to have one...may still turn them out..

IF THEY WERE really straight..

If a guy is attracted to her he is attracted.

I have no problems dating straight men...

If this is the case that means that every guy I see and meet in the clubs, restaurants, bars, gym are all not really straight.

You really can't determine a sexuality, and you as psych should know that men who date transexual can still be classified straight.

[MrsKellyPierce]

If a guy is attracted to her he is attracted.

I have no problems dating straight men...

If this is the case that means that every guy I see and meet in the clubs, restaurants, bars, gym are all not really straight.

You really can't determine a sexuality, and you as psych should know that men who date transexual can still be classified straight. Really? I think there has to be a curiosity or open-mind to even consider it..

I think even the guys that don't want to touch it are still turned on by the taboo of it or that it's there...

I just don't live in delusion...

[MrsKellyPierce]

And if the guy is totally straight..why are girls so shocked and dismayed he doesn't want to be seen as any way else?

Why are they so shocked he wont introduce you to his friends and family or if he does he doesn't want to say you are a transsexual...

I just don't understand the conundrum at times..

[EvonRose]

Really? I think there has to be a curiosity or open-mind to even consider it..

I think even the guys that don't want to touch it are still turned on by the taboo of it or that it's there...

I just don't live in delusion...

If she has a vagina and legally a female, for the most part she will have a better chance of finding a straight man.

You live in Another world Kelly..

Science already determined that biologically it's not the genitals that turn a man on it's the feminine form.

If a vagina is the case then every guy here should be gawking over chaz bono who has a vagina..

Any natural male would be attracted to beautiful woman.. The gentiles are a taboo based on religious views or what not.

By experience, there has never been an issue with any man.

[MrsKellyPierce]

If she has a vagina and legally a female, for the most part she will have a better chance of finding a straight man.

You live in Another world Kelly..

Science already determined that biologically it's not the genitals that turn a man on it's the feminine form.

If a vagina is the case then every guy here should be gawking over chaz bono who has a vagina..

Any natural male would be attracted to beautiful woman.. The gentiles are a taboo based on religious views or what not.

By experience, there has never been an issue with any man.
Science Bience..We are talking real life..not science..

Perception is a lot different than that..

You can stand in front of thousands of totally straight men & women and say Oh but Science said..and they are gonna say you have a dick...you were born a male..

Sorry sweety...We are talking reality here...not useless facts people don't care about..

Didn't I just say he may be attracted to you..until he finds out you have a boink boink..then he'd hit the road..unless curious

[EvonRose]

And if the guy is totally straight..why are girls so shocked and dismayed he doesn't want to be seen as any way else?

Why are they so shocked he wont introduce you to his friends and family or if he does he doesn't want to say you are a transsexual...

I just don't understand the conundrum at times..


That's not about being straight! that is a douche move.

And chasers tend to be douche bags!

At east a straight guy who is not into it and is honest is commendable, unlike the chaser who claims he is straight yet can't live a day without cock.

I feel you don't understand anything at all...

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's not about being straight! that is a douche move.

And chasers tend to be douche bags!

At east a straight guy who is not into it and is honest is commendable, unlike the chaser who claims he is straight yet can't live a day without cock.

I feel you don't understand anything at all...
Sweetheart You don't understand..

I said in my beginning statement it's thrown around to often for anything..oh he is a tranny chaser...he dated another trans - Boom tranny chaser - he waches tranny porn - boom tranny chaser - I mean it's over used and it's just jaded girls...

[EvonRose]

Science Bience..We are talking real life..not science..

Perception is a lot different than that..

You can stand in front of thousands of totally straight men & women and say Oh but Science said..and they are gonna say you have a dick...you were born a male..

Sorry sweety...We are talking reality here...not useless facts people don't care about..

Didn't I just say he may be attracted to you..until he finds out you have a boink boink..then he'd hit the road..unless curious

Science is real life, and someone that has a psyche degree, you sure know very little on human sexuality...

Sexuality has got nothing to do with the influence of religious views, thats a system that restricts the mind.

If I stand in from of anyone that are not surprised by these system anyone would say I'm a woman.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Science is real life, and someone that has a psyche degree, you sure know very little on human sexuality...

Sexuality has got nothing to do with the influence of religious views, thats a system that restricts the mind.

If I stand in from of anyone that are not surprised by these system anyone would say I'm a woman.
I am saying it's irrelevant to perception!

It's useless facts to a straight person...USELESS...to them it just sounds like an excuse...

[EvonRose]

Sweetheart You don't understand..

I said in my beginning statement it's thrown around to often for anything..oh he is a tranny chaser...he dated another trans - Boom tranny chaser - he waches tranny porn - boom tranny chaser - I mean it's over used and it's just jaded girls...

And if you had read my first comments, then obviously you would know that I said that never classifies them as chasers...

Again, with your Jaded, SWEETIE! your the one who does not have friends because you think all ts women are catty, that is why you have no ts friends, and why you had no problem making the ts community in bad light with your post. To me that is jaded.

You never gave reasons, you never gave a sense of understanding.

You also fail to see that most men view as ts in many negative labels as well.

It goes both ways, and it does not make someone jaded without the opposite party driving them to that point. Your point was biased towards the en particularly the men your trying to gain as you followers.

[EvonRose]

I am saying it's irrelevant to perception!

It's useless facts to a straight person...USELESS...to them it just sounds like an excuse...


Like I said i can stand in front of any straight man ( not in any religious thing)
You my friend can ask them yourself and they will all tell you they see a woman.

This bigotry comes from the root of the bigots with religious backgrounds.

I have never encountered any man to view me any different. However in the ts world I do experience chasers, and normal ts lovers alike.

You probably just never dated a straight man, But hey if you like gay men that;s your thing.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Like I said i can stand in front of any straight man ( not in any religious thing)
You my friend can ask them yourself and they will all tell you they see a woman.

This bigotry comes from the root of the bigots with religious backgrounds.

I have never encountered any man to view me any different. However in thte ts world I do experience chasers, and normal ts loves alike.

You probably just never dated a straight man, But hey if you like gay men that;s your thing.
Take your clothes off then ask them :)

[SunshyneMonroe]

Ok ladies lets stop the fighting the outside world puts us down s is no need for us to fight :)

[EvonRose]

Take your clothes off then ask them :)

I have... And they love my 36-23-36 figure sweetie...

All natural, head to toe!

Because this is all woman and only a straight man would appreciate the female form as oppose to just my privates... I am comfortable enough to seek out a sane man who is straight and would give me that. thank you sweetie...

BOOM!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have... And the love my 36-23-36 figure sweetie...

All natural, head to toe!

Because this is all woman and only a straight man would appreciate the female form as oppose to just my privates... I am comfortable enough to seek out a sane man who is straight and would give me that. thank you sweetie...

BOOM!
lmao

[EvonRose]

lmao

Im glad you took it light hearted i was worried, It sounded like i was bringing you down, not my intentions... I just can't edit things anymore. My computer sucks..

[MrsKellyPierce]

Im glad you took it light hearted i was worried, It sounded like i was bringing you down, not my intentions... I just can't edit things anymore. My computer sucks..
Sweetheart I take everything you say lighthearted and as delusion :)

[EvonRose]

Sweetheart I take everything you say lighthearted and as delusion :)

Like I said provide me with your degrees, and i will be happy to give out my family name...

Lets see who live in delusion... honey...

[Nicole Dupre]

Well I could never watch my BF having sex with a man. In fact, I don't like watching two men fuck at all. I wish gay men all the best in life, and I love gay men as friends. Many I feel are my sisters. But I don't want to see them fuck, and I definitely don't want my guy doing it.

And I don't believe that sucking cock and taking it up the ass is automatically "gay". It's sodomy, no doubt. But "homosexual" is the nature of a relationship. Cocks aren't gay. People are gay. Brains are gay. Cocks are erogenous zones with LOTS of nerve endings. But technically cock inside of anything besides pussy is sodomy. Shoving things in your ass is also sodomy. Men fucking GGs in the ass is sodomy. They just don't have prostates. But GGs love getting fucked in the ass. They love sucking dicks. Anyone can suck my dick and it can feel good. It has nothing to do with who I'm attracted to or who I'm thinking about.

Women don't turn me on sexually, so I'm not bi either. I like guys.

Sexuality is not "either/or". Drinking doesn't make you an alcoholic. And enjoying cock doesn't make you a cock bandit or gay. That would be like saying 'kissing is gay because gay men kiss each other's lips'. That's just stupid.

And btw I'm not getting SRS to not be "gay". I'm getting SRS to not be in limbo and to eliminate potential cockhounds from my life. That doesn't mean all guys who fuck pre-ops are cockhounds though. Some guys never even touch my cock. But guys who intentionally seek out TS porn and pre-op escorts are not the guys I want to date. I would never date a male prostitute. Some of my best friends have been male prostitutes, but they're not my BFs.

I think Kelly just wants to defend her BF for being gay or bi or whatever he is. I think insulting transsexuals wasn't her original intention, although it was offensive to accuse transsexuals of being stuck up because we're not supportive enough of dick thirsty guys like her BF.

But I'm not trying to understand Kelly. I've heard enough weird stories to just not want to know any more about her and this guy, or to care what they do. I do find many things she says hard to believe tho'. I don't believe she actually graduated from college. And supposedly her parents aren't dead. She tells people that for sympathy, or so I hear. But Kelly's lack of credibility with me began years ago, when she used all those fake photos on here. I rarely read her posts these days. I wish nothing bad on her. In fact I wish her the best. But somethings's not right there, and I don't want to know what it is. But too many people have similar opinions about her though.

[giovanni_hotel]

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[EvonRose]

Well Like i said

I don't feel comfortable bringing my shit out there for the privacy of my family, but I stick to my word.

If she does have a degree, and she proves it with certificate then I will announce my Family name here, why not? It's a challenge. I stick to my words.

Hell why not throw in the death certificates of your parents while you type up your fake psychology, Dermatologist, and esthetician degree...

With all these degrees while doing porn, and webcam with your gay boyfriend, Were you not the one who went broke? Maybe you should have saved up your money for other things rather than your face...

So next time you attack me about my family, and my financial decision or calling me out as a liar... You might wanna think again.

[buttslinger]

Careful, Evon

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I could never watch my BF having sex with a man. In fact, I don't like watching two men fuck at all. I wish gay men all the best in life, and I love gay men as friends. Many I feel are my sisters. But I don't want to see them fuck, and I definitely don't want my guy doing it.

And I don't believe that sucking cock and taking it up the ass is automatically "gay". It's sodomy, no doubt. But "homosexual" is the nature of a relationship. Cocks aren't gay. People are gay. Brains are gay. Cocks are erogenous zones with LOTS of nerve endings. But technically cock inside of anything besides pussy is sodomy. Shoving things in your ass is also sodomy. Men fucking GGs in the ass is sodomy. They just don't have prostates. But GGs love getting fucked in the ass. They love sucking dicks. Anyone can suck my dick and it can feel good. It has nothing to do with who I'm attracted to or who I'm thinking about.

Women don't turn me on sexually, so I'm not bi either. I like guys.

Sexuality is not "either/or". Drinking doesn't make you an alcoholic. And enjoying cock doesn't make you a cock bandit or gay. That would be like saying 'kissing is gay because gay men kiss each other's lips'. That's just stupid.

And btw I'm not getting SRS to not be "gay". I'm getting SRS to not be in limbo and to eliminate potential cockhounds from my life. That doesn't mean all guys who fuck pre-ops are cockhounds though. Some guys never even touch my cock. But guys who intentionally seek out TS porn and pre-op escorts are not the guys I want to date. I would never date a male prostitute. Some of my best friends have been male prostitutes, but they're not my BFs.

I think Kelly just wants to defend her BF for being gay or bi or whatever he is. I think insulting transsexuals wasn't her original intention, although it was offensive to accuse transsexuals of being stuck up because we're not supportive enough of dick thirsty guys like her BF.

But I'm not trying to understand Kelly. I've heard enough weird stories to just not want to know any more about her and this guy, or to care what they do. I do find many things she says hard to believe tho'. I don't believe she actually graduated from college. And supposedly her parents aren't dead. She tells people that for sympathy, or so I hear. But Kelly's lack of credibility with me began years ago, when she used all those fake photos on here. I rarely read her posts these days. I wish nothing bad on her. In fact I wish her the best. But somethings's not right there, and I don't want to know what it is. But too many people have similar opinions about her though.
Lmao Nicole Look up Grace Ellen Shore Death Certificate..my mother is dead..From El Paso, Illinois

And so is my father..

I mean what absurdity

It's just any gossip that can be told and people listen cause well they are either weak of mind or don't go on their own opinion when they meet someone..

I think it's hilarious...

This is exactly why I don't associate myself with transsexuals cause they make up so much crap that isn't true about another girl...

My mother died August 23rd 1997

And my father died as well...but he has my birth name..and don't feel comfortable giving it out..

I have no reason to lie about stupid crap...

And no I was defending bisexual men in general..

I could care less what people think of my husband and my husband could care less lol

I just think it's hilarious to see TS girls stick their nose down at bis and gays...

Sister you are no better..than they are..just cause you got some implants and feel you are a woman..doesn't make you better..yet that's how you come off...

I've met crazy trannies, but I would never point them out..nor would I tell why they are crazy..because I don't roll like that..

Some girls are Xanax driven crazy women who are jaded as fuck...and do anything to hurt another person or tear them down...

Some girls steal constantly - other girls do this...and this girl does that..I mean really Nicole..I suppose you are perfect in your exsistance..

So tiring..

Just like this absurd story I live in a basement...

OMG it's hilarious what utter bullshit comes out people's mouth...

[EvonRose]

Careful, Evon

It's easy to check up on a degree based on the date given and the name..
My dad who actually has a degree in law showed me how to verify... I'm no dummy. wink.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Careful, Evon

i've got one of those in a related field, but it is not from UCB and it has my real name on it .

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's easy to check up on a degree based on the date given and the name..
My dad who actually has a degree in law showed me how to verify... I'm no dummy. wink.
My life is documented..my whole life..I was in newspaper after newspaper before my porn career..for transitioning in high school and my activist work..I have no reason to lie...

It's just stupidity...

And Nicole trying to stir the pot cause she doesn't like what I have to say and nor do you..live in your delusion girls..

And wow so is my husband..I posted his degrees on here..

[MrsKellyPierce]

Careful, Evon
lmao that doesn't even look authentic

[EvonRose]

My life is documented..my whole life..I was in newspaper after newspaper before my porn career..for transitioning in high school and my activist work..I have no reason to lie...

It's just stupidity...

And Nicole trying to stir the pot cause she doesn't like what I have to say and nor do you..live in your delusion girls..

And wow so is my husband..I posted his degrees on here..

I didn't ask for your husbands, I asked for yours, nor Am I interested in your never ending washed up porn career. it's not something you want to call a career,use that those degree of yours then talk to me about a career. Off the high horse.

What delusion? I wanna know... Because everything I said is the truth.

maybe you don't want to hear it... But it's not my fault..

Seems like you stirred the pot first honey by calling me the delusional one insinuating i'm lying about what i said before.. Victim?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I didn't ask for your husbands, I asked for yours, nor Am I interested in your never ending washed up porn career. it's not something you want to call a career,use that those degree of yours then talk to me about a career. Off the high horse.

What delusion? I wanna know... Because everything I said is the truth.

maybe you don't want to hear it... But it's not my fault..

Seems like you stirred the pot first honey by calling me the delusional one insinuating i'm lying about what i said before.. Victim?
Evon you are a drama queen pure and simple..

[EvonRose]

Evon you are a drama queen pure and simple..

And your an attention seeking, disloyal tranny basher... Fact.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And your an attention seeking, disloyal tranny basher... Fact.
I'm a tranny basher cause I say the truth..that most girls are sociopaths??

HMM okay lol

[EvonRose]

I'm a tranny basher cause I say the truth..that most girls are sociopaths??

HMM okay lol

Well I guess marry a gay man, then become one right?

How on earth can you make us feel bad for wanting something out of the comfort of the industry, and the scene?

How can you a ts yourself and not get the yearning for a normal life from normal men?

You have serious issues...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I guess marry a gay man, then become one right?

How on earth can you make us feel bad for wanting something out of the comfort of the industry, and the scene?

How can you a ts yourself and not get the yearning for a normal life from normal men?

You have serious issues...
I have a normal life and a healthy relationship...

I'm a step-mother and have a mother-in-law who loves me

And a family who loves me..

I have a very normal life lol

My husband is all man and very much dominate...

And I am very much a female...

This is just too much...

[EvonRose]

I have a normal life and a healthy relationship...

I'm a step-mother and have a mother-in-law who loves me

And a family who loves me..

I have a very normal life lol

My husband is all man and very much dominate...

And I am very much a female...

This is just too much...


That's the problem what's normal to you is not normal to most of us. You can't fault us for that.

There is too much abnormalities in our life, it's fair to want something normal.

Chasers are not healthy, or normal to most of us. Yes many ts are jaded, but you lack the compassion or dignity to dissect the situation, because you don't really have physiology degree because that's exactly what one would do, as oppose to paint them in bad light, causing more hate from the opposing. As an activist I expected better... But hey your popularity is important, So I guess sell yourself short...

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's the problem what's normal to you is not normal to most of us. You can't fault us for that.

There is too much abnormalities in our life, it's fair to want something normal.

Chasers are not healthy, or normal to most of us. Yes many ts are jaded, but you lack the compassion or dignity to dissect the situation, because you don't really have physiology degree because that's exactly what one would do, as oppose to paint them in bad light, causing more hate from the opposing. As an activist I expected better... But hey your popularity is important, So I guess sell yourself short...
My husband is not a chaser...omg lol

Girl you are crazy............................................. ......

Any man willing to date a transsexual...bring her home...say this is who I am dating deal with it..has got BALLS...especially a ts who is high profile in the porn world..

Then introduce you to his work friends...when one may notice you from a porn movie..

any man who will stand by your side proud...love you unconditionally...and treat you well..IS LUCKY TO HAVE...female or TRANSSEXUAL..

That's lucky...

Because sweetheart..relationships in this day and age are short...and if people are together it's usually for superficial reasons...and/or they stay together but can't stand each other so they spend loads of time apart....

You have a little girl view of the world..

And just because some guy at a straight club hits on you doesn't make you the best.

I've gone to plenty of straight clubs and had loads of guys hit on me..BIG DEAL..

I wouldn't take any of them home, because I DON'T TRICK guys..

Girls rate themselves on the stupidest things of what makes them passable or what makes them hot...

A man doesn't make you hot..

If you need that to validate you..fine..

But I don't never have...

I only tried to make money in this business for surgeries in the past...and surgeries I got..

I mean you put down men who would go the distance for you/us/transsexuals

It's just mind boggling..

[alyssaluxor]

I just recently got out of a relationship with a TS that lasted almost 4 years. I'll try not to repeat anything that hasn't already been said, but then again this post has 33 pages, and I got tired of reading the same things over and over. Many of you on this board know me, and know my EX as well. I will say this first off (and many of you will disagree). She is a wonderful woman and I will always love her, BUT over the time we'd spent together we had both changed, and made good and bad decisions.

We she and I had first met on (don't laugh) MYSPACE, we talked for a few months even before meeting face to face, and upon our first date we had a great time. At the end of the night she went to kiss me, and I had told her I don't kiss on the first date. Knowing in full that she wanted more than just a kiss, but out of respect for her I did not. The reason I didn't is that I wanted to show her that I am different than a majority of the men in the TS scene. After that night we had started to spend a lot of time together, and we didn't have sex until after we were together for over a month. She at the beginning of the relationship was not an escort. She had a full time well paying job (not in the industry). I had met her family, which was NOT easy for either of us at the beginning, but over time they saw that I had respect for her & treated her as the woman she is 100% of the time. She had also met my family as well. We had gone on vacations together, and when we were together everybody saw us as a happy couple in public and private. I did not nor will I ever hide the fact that I date transsexuals.
Well after time, and good and bad decisions on both of our parts we decided to call it quits.

It all broke down basically to this - She had a man that loved and respected her NOT for what is in between her legs, but for who she is as a woman. All she saw in me was a guy that prefers TS's opposed genetic women (yes I like both). So she labelled me a "tranny chaser", and she decided to listen to what other girls thought about "chasers", and that caused problems. For the later part of our relationship she preferred to go out to gay clubs or straight clubs, but didn't want me to go with her. So I'd go and hang out with my friends, and she decided to call me and my friends "Tranny Chasers" even though we did not go home with girls after the club, or really try to. We basically sit around have a couple drinks and talk about how delusional 85% of the TS's are....lol

No matter what we men do, no matter how much we try. Regardless if we support the community or not. If we like TS's we will all ways have the burden of being labelled as a chaser, a pervert, a client, etc....

My advice to the girls: DROP THE DRAMA, if the guy is a client keep it that way, if he's a dick or starts talking about sex right away then get rid of him unless he is a client. If he is generally interested in you then use your brain (AKA don't judge him or label him) and give it a shot. Don't have delusions of grandeur like the movies portray. Go on few dates with him, and treat them as real dates NOT PAY DATES. You may actually have fun, and meet a good guy.

My advice to the guys: The girls are NOT pieces of meat, or some toy for you play with and then discard at will. If she is an escort pay for it, don't expect a freebie. You don't work for free why should they? They are women and should be treated as such. Would you go up to a genetic girl at a club and start fondling them, and pawing all over them...No.

My advice to everybody: Just remember the Golden Rule - Do onto others as you would have them do on to you. We all have feelings, and don't like them to be hurt. Don't prejudge a person solely on what other people say, or where the go or who their friends are. We all have friends that are; Cool, better looking, uglier, idiots, etc...Be up front with your intentions, and if it's meant to happen it will, if it's not don't cause drama or label the person just because it didn't work out.

MARRY ME! :salad

[Willie Escalade]

MARRY ME! :salad
Come to Los Angeles.

[tsadriana]

Love and peace girls

[EvonRose]

My husband is not a chaser...omg lol

Girl you are crazy............................................. ......

Any man willing to date a transsexual...bring her home...say this is who I am dating deal with it..has got BALLS...especially a ts who is high profile in the porn world..

Then introduce you to his work friends...when one may notice you from a porn movie..

any man who will stand by your side proud...love you unconditionally...and treat you well..IS LUCKY TO HAVE...female or TRANSSEXUAL..

That's lucky...

Because sweetheart..relationships in this day and age are short...and if people are together it's usually for superficial reasons...and/or they stay together but can't stand each other so they spend loads of time apart....

You have a little girl view of the world..

And just because some guy at a straight club hits on you doesn't make you the best.

I've gone to plenty of straight clubs and had loads of guys hit on me..BIG DEAL..

I wouldn't take any of them home, because I DON'T TRICK guys..

Girls rate themselves on the stupidest things of what makes them passable or what makes them hot...

A man doesn't make you hot..

If you need that to validate you..fine..

But I don't never have...

I only tried to make money in this business for surgeries in the past...and surgeries I got..

I mean you put down men who would go the distance for you/us/transsexuals

It's just mind boggling..

I never claimed to be the best or hottest, however someone here named Kelly was the one who is trying to appear better than the rest just because you can put down ts who want to avoid chasers. Let them be. You got you own chaser to work about at home.

You cannot speak for everyman, and every transexual about what the protocol is, you never dated straight man. So who are you to say what you know about their mentality, unless of course you are admitting to being man yourself.

You have absolutely no idea what your talking about, have never pointed out that a guy just hit on me, I have gone out dated it's more than just being hit on, where is your head?

Your married I get it your happy, But just because you have your own standards, don't put the rest of us for wanting to create our standard to better chance of happiness. In my opinion, dating a chaser is unhealthy in a relationship.

You and your husband are very open with sex and threesome etc. Not every transexual is good with that. Just as majority of real gg and man relationship.

Your not allowed to make protocols, and standards for the rest of us, because your standards are low for us. We would not tolerate being with a gay man, who fools around with other guys, tg, gg....

Chasers do not go the distance for us, so your confused honey!

I am not saying chasers are bad people, or evil. All I am saying is in a relationship I prefer that to not develop, i got tranny chaser friends, and I don't mind sitting with them having a drink and some covo... The point i am trying to make is sometimes the fetish aspect of it is too much for them and they have even told me themselves that they are confused.

they tell me they like gg women and rather keep a gg woman, but on the side mess around with other ts. I can understand that, but I don't think its necessarily healthy for anyone.

[KittyPride]

Dating a heterosexual can make one insecure too...i date a guy that does not touch my private parts...other then my behind...and he is.the best...

But i would date bisexual or even gay guys as long as they dont feel the need to wear lingerie and get fucked...and thats where it goes wrong with chaser types....

You can be a chaser...no problem...as long as you are top...you can be gay..as long as you top other boys...

Being top for me is the important part...and not have too much of a fixation on my private parts....

But a lot of chasers are exactly that...and a lot of them really dont treat us with yhe respect they would give woman..

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm not trying to stir anything. And I don't care what you do or who your partner is. But it's not just transsexuals who think you're dishonest. Your porn career has given you a less than perfect reputation in terms of business. And you initially did a lot of extreme bullshitting with your photos here for quite a while. That, I witnessed for myself. It was definitely pretty maniacal. And I don't know about your parents' deaths for sure, but I've heard otherwise. That's all. But you didn't have to share your mom's name with me. Evon's the one you accused of things. And you did start this thread, which was pretty accusatory towards transsexual sex workers in regards to their personal relationships with men. So you sort of stirred this mess yourself.

And I have clinical psychologists in my family. I'm not sure what your degree is in, but something sounds sketchy imo.

[Tyler___Durden]

It's horrible to to throw your community down to make yourself...
What is this "Community" of which you speak?
Did I get automatically signed up when I transitioned? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/blink.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

On HA there are a lot of Ts women who work/have worked/intend to work in the sex industry in some guise,
be it Whoring, Porn performing or in a 'behind the scenes' part of the Job.
There is certainly a loose Confederacy as we all share to varying degrees, common themes.
And I'd suggest that many of us hang around the Ts label rather a long time, for commercial reasons.

If you expand 'Ts community' to the wider world, this breaks down even further:
Other than the "Professional Transsexual", other Ts women often move through the Ts stage of their lives far faster,
and get on with 'being that woman' leaving the bad ts memories far behind.
Yes I've friends who have a Ts aspect to their lives, be it running up to transition through to having had SRS ten or more years ago. The Ts common starting point made us aware of each other but that's all.
I'd say we are friends despite the Ts stuff. The vast vast % of Ts women I know or am simply aware of is staggeringly huge. But they are no more than names and faces. I share nothing in common with them and consequently have zero sense of community.
The term "sister" from total strangers, creeps me out TBH.

And anyway, the clue is in the name Transsexual
That is a changing, moving target, somewhere most are in before they move on with their lives.

...IMHO http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/biggrin.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Nicole Dupre]

What is this "Community" of which you speak?
Did I get automatically signed up when I transitioned? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/blink.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

On HA there are a lot of Ts women who work/have worked/intend to work in the sex industry in some guise,
be it Whoring, Porn performing or in a 'behind the scenes' part of the Job.
There is certainly a loose Confederacy as we all share to varying degrees, common themes.
And I'd suggest that many of us hang around the Ts label rather a long time, for commercial reasons.

If you expand 'Ts community' to the wider world, this breaks down even further:
Other than the "Professional Transsexual", other Ts women often move through the Ts stage of their lives far faster,
and get on with 'being that woman' leaving the bad ts memories far behind.
Yes I've friends who have a Ts aspect to their lives, be it running up to transition through to having had SRS ten or more years ago. The Ts common starting point made us aware of each other but that's all.
I'd say we are friends despite the Ts stuff. The vast vast % of Ts women I know or am simply aware of is staggeringly huge. But they are no more than names and faces. I share nothing in common with them and consequently have zero sense of community.
The term "sister" from total strangers, creeps me out TBH.

And anyway, the clue is in the name Transsexual
That is a changing, moving target, somewhere most are in before they move on with their lives.

...IMHO http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/biggrin.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
I wouldn't get bogged down in semantics. Replace the word "community" and "sisters" with "other transsexuals".

The fact is, Kelly's partner is a male prostitute, and she can't expect to hold him up as the standard by which all women choose their men. I don't think men can hold transsexual sex workers up as the standard by which all men choose women either. But we don't grow up like GGs, and we often have to make compromises for survival purposes. I've often said, I wouldn't want a man who'd want "Nicole Dupre", meaning that I don't want a man who thinks he hit the jackpot and now has his very own private TS escort to fuck whenever he wants. It doesn't work that way, for me at least. I didn't escort because I thought it was optimal. It was a means to an end; part of a journey, but not my destination. If some of us unfortunately get stuck there, I don't think lowering your standards and becoming partners with a male prostitute is necessarily a shining example of what you should settle for in life. If that's where you're at in life, great. Make the best of it. But it's not optimal for any self-respecting woman. Some people get jobs pumping gas on summer break to get through college. Some will pump gas for the rest of their lives. There's a difference imo. Anyway, if Kelly went through that much schooling, why is she still flip-flopping with being a sex worker? It's somewhat of a sketchy scenario imo.

[EvonRose]

What is this "Community" of which you speak?
Did I get automatically signed up when I transitioned? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/blink.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

On HA there are a lot of Ts women who work/have worked/intend to work in the sex industry in some guise,
be it Whoring, Porn performing or in a 'behind the scenes' part of the Job.
There is certainly a loose Confederacy as we all share to varying degrees, common themes.
And I'd suggest that many of us hang around the Ts label rather a long time, for commercial reasons.

If you expand 'Ts community' to the wider world, this breaks down even further:
Other than the "Professional Transsexual", other Ts women often move through the Ts stage of their lives far faster,
and get on with 'being that woman' leaving the bad ts memories far behind.
Yes I've friends who have a Ts aspect to their lives, be it running up to transition through to having had SRS ten or more years ago. The Ts common starting point made us aware of each other but that's all.
I'd say we are friends despite the Ts stuff. The vast vast % of Ts women I know or am simply aware of is staggeringly huge. But they are no more than names and faces. I share nothing in common with them and consequently have zero sense of community.
The term "sister" from total strangers, creeps me out TBH.

And anyway, the clue is in the name Transsexual
That is a changing, moving target, somewhere most are in before they move on with their lives.

...IMHO http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/biggrin.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


If you do not want to be part of the community that's fine, but she hangs out with women int he community so therefore one way or another she is associated with them, and she is an activist, so therefore yes she is part of the community.

[Nicole Dupre]

... and she is an activist, so therefore yes she is part of the community. Oh yeah. That's right. lol

[Tyler___Durden]

If you do not want to be part of the community that's fine, but she hangs out with women int he community so therefore one way or another she is associated with them, and she is an activist, so therefore yes she is part of the community.
Ah ok.
I guess it's a difference between the uk & usa. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/biggrin.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

In the UK, there is no ts community, as such.
There is a Tg community, of sorts, but that's mainly crossdressers/transvestites (which of course is all good and fine)
but nothing specifically Ts. If there was I doubt I'd be involved for the reasoning in my last post. (Choice n' all that.)
There are a few Ts support groups over here, like www.translondon.org, (http://www.translondon.org/) which consist of a few kind people who did it all years ago offering support to the majority consisting primarily of "about to transition" and "recently transitioned". Which is nice of them.

Anyway, interesting thread.

[EvonRose]

In the states there are communities particularly in larger cities or liberal cities... The point i was trying to make was she being part of the community should have not insinuated that ts women view men into ts tranny chasers, that makes us look bad and its false! It gives men the leverage to view us as jaded and cold people, it brings forth negative attention.

She fails to see the reasons behind it it and is biased because men have their view on us as well, not all... It goes both ways and she did it to gain attention by seperating herself and throwing ts women like me under the bus.

Like nicole said, shes making us the bad guys just because we set a standard of healthy relastionship for us. Im not ok with a guy fucking other guys, ts, or
gg just bec hes incapable of monogamy. Its not healthy for me...

Anyway, interesting thread.[/QUOTE]

[SunshyneMonroe]

1 every girl here should love "chasers" they pay our bills lol

2 why is kellys bf getting so much hate he came out to his whole family due to Kelly and is a man IMO too be truthful about what he every likes and they have been together for years.... Lol

[tsadriana]

Ah ok.
I guess it's a difference between the uk & usa. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/biggrin.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

In the UK, there is no ts community, as such.
There is a Tg community, of sorts, but that's mainly crossdressers/transvestites (which of course is all good and fine)
but nothing specifically Ts. If there was I doubt I'd be involved for the reasoning in my last post. (Choice n' all that.)
There are a few Ts support groups over here, like www.translondon.org, (http://www.translondon.org/) which consist of a few kind people who did it all years ago offering support to the majority consisting primarily of "about to transition" and "recently transitioned". Which is nice of them.

Anyway, interesting thread.
In UK is not Ts comunity till they will stop being jelouse and evious with each other .....Is fair everyone to think for their pocket but comunity in UK outside from what u said would never be or if will ,maybe that would be in 50 years .

[Nicole Dupre]

1 every girl here should love "chasers" they pay our bills lol

2 why is kellys bf getting so much hate he came out to his whole family due to Kelly and is a man IMO too be truthful about what he every likes and they have been together for years.... Lol
Chasers don't pay for shit. Tricks and daddys do. You're confused I think. Chasers are dogs.

And let her have her bi BF. Who gives a shit? Why would anyone hate him? lol Who even knows him? I mean, really. She tried putting him on a pedestal. That's all. lol

But I'm not impressed, personally, with her telling us she watches her BF fuck random men. Not at all. And then she comes on here and tells us how we're too critical of cock-thirsty lying tranny chasing men? lol You want them? Keep them, girl.

[tsadriana]

Transexuals from UK think that they are better then anyone else ,thats why i said yestoday Evon that i dont have sisters TS till they wont stop being childish .x

[tsadriana]

I have more friends transvestites ,then i have ts,i socialise more with them then i socialise with TS .

[tsadriana]

T he real comunity in the UK is Crossdressers/TRANSVESTITES .TRANSEXUALS COMUNITY?is not such a thing yet .

[EvonRose]

I have loyalty to my community, bec there are good ppl out there. My best friend alisha is my sister. We love each other dearly and protect each other like blood sisters.

You cant group everyone based on individuals.


Nicole u hit it right on the head!!!
If we dont want a certain relastionship with chasers, that is our standard to uphold and no one else! Do as you please, but you cannot blame us for all the gay bashing and chaser name calling. Just because we refuse to give any regards to chasers.

[Prospero]

I wonder if I might raise a question here. Serious question.

There is across the Hung Angels site lots of criticism of men who "chase" transexual girls. There is, especially, criticism of men who like to bottom. (And this comes especially from some guys who'd like to present themselves as alpha males.. ie the sort who are proud to say have never ever let a cock near them. They are in a category of their own. ) But is the level of contempt aimed at chasers really fair?

The girls who are here deserve - for the most part - great respect. I certainly accord them that. I think they have great courage.

But do they fully understand what motivates the chasers?. Perhaps the chasers are, in some respects, not entirely disimilar from them? Perhaps they too are born with a difference and some may not learn of this difference until later in their lives? When perhaps they are already committed to complex networks of relationships from which they can't or don't wish to walk away. I would categorise myself within this broad group. It was not until i was established as, in theory, a well settled and red-blooded heterosexual male that i had stirrings of interest in the "otherness' of transexual women.

Perhaps the difference between those "who are transgendered and those males who enjoy the company and sexuality of transgendered women is not as profound as the girls who find themselves women trapped in male bodies beleive?. These are girls/women who have the courage to embark on the challenging and difficult journey to proper womanhood. And yet the admirers or chasers who will never undertake that journey are - nevertheless - attracted to some of the same sexuality that some of the girls are. Don't many of the girls like to be treated as women by men (even if their bodies still bear traces of the gender they are working to abandon) and indeed don't some of the girls still derive sexual satisfaction from utilising their remaining male sexuality? The admirers are drawn - in some way - to the notion of male sexulity but they are not properly gay in that they find the male body in its normal manifestation unnattractive or even repellent.. They admire women. They/we are perhaps bisexuals. I think the hate directed at some admirers/chasers is a little harsh.

Aren't we all - in the end - strung out on a rather more complicated spectrum of sexuality with greater or lesser degrees of difference?

But maybe I'm wrong.

[tsadriana]

And our journey is not fnished yet Prospero ,we still have to deal with the real world with the people who judge so easy without knowing anything about you ,but they think is smart think to do.Another thing is botherd me is that we are comparred with the real women and i dont find it right either ....We are what we are end of story full stop.

[Nicole Dupre]

I have nothing against bi guys, but I sure as hell would NEVER date one. lol

Transsexuals don't have a formal community like CDs and transvestites because we don't confuse our gender with a part-time hobby. It's not an escape or based on a kink. I can't relate to men dressing up like women for shits and giggles. Personally, I was more like Pete Burns I guess. I was just a fem queer, and later a drag queen, until I was F/T TS. But I never could relate to these hetero guys playing dress up. I think they fuck things up for transsexuals actually. Most transsexuals just want to become women, figure out how they're going to make a living, and then to be left the hell alone asap. Maybe some need the attention and validation that porn gives them, but I don't need that either. I don't give a shit. Let someone else have it. I tried porn to see if there was money or stability in it, and there is none. Or, not the kind of money or stability that impresses me. Does anyone think any of the biggest TS porn stars have retired on what they've made? lol Hardly. Everyone keeps sucking dick for coins unless they move on to bigger and better things. That's just the way it is.

[tsadriana]

One thing we forgot to mention in here that is a difference btw ts women and real women .why ...because we care more about our look ,about how to dress to impress the men ,in the other side real women think more ,what to provide for their kids,if the dinner is ready on time for her husband /bf ,if the house is clean normal stuff ,well are real women who dont give a pint about this ,but most of them do.

[tsadriana]

And is not so easy being a mum and wife everyday ,specially if there are 2 or 3 kids involved.

[EvonRose]

Chasers and admirers are very diffrent...

Although a chaser can be an admirer.

I find admirers are ver deep and try to understand every aspect of our situation, they are easy to date and have meaningful relastionships, they give outmost respect to a ts on any condition. Admirers dont necessarily like penis, but the feminine quality of what its attached to, admirers dont necessary have to like pre ops.

Chasers are sexually driven. Those guys send dick pics on your work number, stalk you. Liars, cheaters, sexually confused, etc. They like because you have a dick, chasers dont like post ops, they are the giys who discourage women from getting srs and once they do they leave. They want to only fuck u in private but no dating, no courting, its meaningles perversion.

I do think its fair for us to weed out chasers, because ts like me do not want to get caught up in this.

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm very domestic and have great maternal instincts. To me, being a woman is not just one big kinky, sexy fuck fest. lol It's not that simple. I don't approach it like a man who's just a horny wolf. If I could have had children with a guy, I probably would have by now. But biology didn't put that possibility in the cards for me. But I would never want kids with a GG, and have to fuck one to do it. lol

[tsadriana]

I'm very domestic and have great maternal instincts. To me, being a woman is not just one big kinky, sexy fuck fest. lol It's not that simple. I don't approach it like a man who's just a horny wolf. If I could have had children with a guy, I probably would have by now. But biology didn't put that possibility in the cards for me. But I would never want kids with a GG, and have to fuck one to do it. lol
I think if i want to have a kid has to come from me and u pointed right as i heard several times some TS sayng i fuck a woman if i want to have a kid ,is not so transexual thing isnt it?

[blckhaze]

Omg you are still alive lol

yes you cant get rid out me Casper :peanutbutter

[yosi]

People who meet Arianna have the chance to get to know ME. But if you came across me as "Nicole Dupre", you're either looking at porn or for escorts. And at that point, traditional dating isn't up for discussion. You're just another dude looking for a quick, cheap thrill. You're not dating or relationship material.

if the only chance to get to know Arianna is to meet "Nicole Dupre" first, that's his loss from the beginning..............yours too .

[allurstouse]

I have nothing against bi guys, but I sure as hell would NEVER date one. lol

Transsexuals don't have a formal community like CDs and transvestites because we don't confuse our gender with a part-time hobby. It's not an escape or based on a kink. I can't relate to men dressing up like women for shits and giggles. Personally, I was more like Pete Burns I guess. I was just a fem queer, and later a drag queen, until I was F/T TS. But I never could relate to these hetero guys playing dress up. I think they fuck things up for transsexuals actually. Most transsexuals just want to become women, figure out how they're going to make a living, and then to be left the hell alone asap. Maybe some need the attention and validation that porn gives them, but I don't need that either. I don't give a shit. Let someone else have it. I tried porn to see if there was money or stability in it, and there is none. Or, not the kind of money or stability that impresses me. Does anyone think any of the biggest TS porn stars have retired on what they've made? lol Hardly. Everyone keeps sucking dick for coins unless they move on to bigger and better things. That's just the way it is.
Homnestly, this isnt meant negatively either but I think you are in a sub culture as defined by society as am I frankly. Those HIV rates that were posted from the CDC were mind blowing. Maybe if there was more of a community those who actually are making it could advocate for the many who are completely marginalized and treated as something disposal by the greater culture. the proof of that is again in those infection rates. Could you imagine the outcry for action if cis women had a infection rate like that? It really bothers me so many are getting sick just because society ignores or worse dehumanizes them. I know it might seem weird coming from a guy but to me that report points to criminal negligence by public health departments, and a condemnation of societal mores because till i looked I had no idea there was an issue because Snooki is news but that isn't. Indifference to the suffering of others is the worst kind of charactor flaw and it's societal in this case. from my pov it reflects a need for some community to pressure for change. if nothing changes nothing changes.

[ed_jaxon]

There are a lot of closed minded pontificators on this thread

[MrsKellyPierce]

Lmao now my husband is a prostitute

Nicole you are silly as ever

Anyone who has hung on this board or hung at a trans club or hung out with transsexuals in general know I'm right..

Trans sister hood? Are we talking about girls that hate on each others looks constantly? Backstab each other? Steal each other's men? And more - oh yea Evon what sisterhood. In this thread you have gone after my age and looks three or four times..

Sweetheart I was 21 once too - you will be 29 someday too..

So you showed exactly what I mean about transsexuals

Nicole as well - Nicole can't go a minute with out bullying or have a conversation/debate with out being on the attack. I like Nicole from speaking to her in chatrooms, but it is what it is.

Transsexuals for the most part are bullies and my opinion enablers of why they are treated so lowly by men

[Prospero]

Thanks. I do now understand - by your generally agreed collective criteria - the difference between an admirer and a chaser. I hope and believe i fall into the first category.

I still don't think you've actually addressed my substantial point about the continuum of human identity and sexual identity.

[EvonRose]

I want like 10 kids!

[tsadriana]

What is chaser?a guy who wants to try every girl from here?{example} A guy who wants to die happy with the felleng that he shagged every girl he liked ...imao

[Prospero]

Adriana - in a broader sense you've just defined a very large part of the male population

[EvonRose]

I actually want robertlouis to knock me up and have lots of babies with me. He seems very stable and kind and understanding... Total husband material and i do have a weakness for musicians.

[tsadriana]

Adriana - in a broader sense you've just defined a very large part of the male population

hahahahaha i thought so

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nicole on your comment about my back and forth on being in porn...

That was a long discussion by my husband and myself..

Firstly (not bragging) when you do porn it's for life no matter if you quit or not. Someone, somewhere would have seen you. Now when you do it on the scale that I have it follows you. Just the other day when I got my wisdom teeth removed my oral surgeon recognized me from my adult movies. If I go to straight clubs with my husband in Chicago I am recognized. So even when I wasn't doing adult movies men that have watched my porn still know me. That's why I always tell girls when they contact me about getting into porn. To really think about it before hand.

This time around I'm doing it on my own. I wont bring up the reason why, due to the drama it caused. I just feel more comfortable having more control of the situation. We are also opening up several sites other than my own. Our plan is not just to be in front of the camera. Which is doing very well. I have a toyline coming out. My husband worked out the deal. Which is a very good one. This time around I'm doing things right. I'm building an empire. I'm not focusing just on transsexual porn or myself. I'm focusing on straight porn.

My husband has taken on many adult clients and his business is growing for tax work and accounting to the adult industry. See my dear we have a plan it's not just about oh I'm gonna do a movie or two. Also our sexual life we like to do threesomes every few months, doing porn makes it a lot safer and it's fun to do together. My husband and I believe you can't sleep with the same person your entire life. However we don't believe in playing alone or working alone on movies. We are a team in all aspects of our life. Life is short and we are making money steadily in this business and it will only grow from here.

You just can't do movies to make money in this business... I have several paid appearances this summer for Sex Con and other outlets as well. My job is a business, and I have come to accept it. My husband after a long discussion came to that as well. I left my fans on my members site abruptly and many know why. But that is not important, my new site(s) will be more hardcore, more content, free webcam shows, and more...

I'm happy and I have no reason to put anyone down...

I'm just telling the truth about transsexual women..

I feel they (we) hinder ourselves with our attitudes

[Nicole Dupre]

if the only chance to get to know Arianna is to meet "Nicole Dupre" first, that's his loss from the beginning..............yours too .
I understand what you're saying, Yosi. Perhaps that's true. But I don't see any guys gravitating towards the worlds of porn or escorting wanting me for my mind or my personality. lol I've never heard from a guy wanting to do anything but fuck me or to find out where he can get more photos or videos. I mean, sure. I can be friendly with you guys. I'm a pretty social person. But who's going to take it to a higher level for me? I'm not holding my breath. That's not my burden. I'm not looking here. I don't want pen pals or IM buddies. I don't want photos of a man's dick before I even hear his voice. I need REAL intimacy. So who's available? I live in the beautiful suburbs of Morris County, NJ. Who's going to make an honest woman out of Nicole Dupre? I actually dare any of you. But you guys never have the funds, never have conveniences built into your lifestyles, never have the time, never have the circumstances and, most importantly, never have the desire. Maybe I'm greedy, but I want it all. I want love, passion, romance, financial and intellectual comparability, etc. So I'll just take my chances right here. I'm not taking long shots on anonymous guys on a porn forum. I tell guys that I'm a TS around here, if I think they can handle it and it's worth exploring. Some are ok with it, some get embarrassed and say no. I don't care either way. The world is changing too quick to care. And some day I'll have a pussy, and it will be even less of an issue. And in the mean time, I can have all the NSA sex or even start seeing clients again all I like. :D

[MrsKellyPierce]

yes you cant get rid out me Casper :peanutbutter
hahah I missed you! Now where is that Johnny lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Kelly, didn't you just say that you and husband fuck other couples for coins? If not, then I misunderstood. But I'm just saying that I would not want my man to be fucking other men. What you do is your business, but I don't want a man that's in need of cock so bad that he will fuck another man. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest by saying that. I just know of no other transsexuals who are ok with their man fucking other men and showing his cock to other guys on cam. So, Kelly, your standards are a bit off imo.

And obviously, you made your departure from porn on your terms. I made mine on my terms. I don't have any respect for all those Chicago scumbags either, but they do know your t from their own up close and personal experiences. You lived with them. Personally, their whole seedy little scene makes me want to vomit. A big "eat shit and die" to the people who fucked me around in porn. I don't hang out with "transsexuals" like that. Those are CDs who got a brain storm to be shemale porn stars; not women imo.

[KittyPride]

I wonder if I might raise a question here. Serious question.

There is across the Hung Angels site lots of criticism of men who "chase" transexual girls. There is, especially, criticism of men who like to bottom. (And this comes especially from some guys who'd like to present themselves as alpha males.. ie the sort who are proud to say have never ever let a cock near them. They are in a category of their own. ) But is the level of contempt aimed at chasers really fair?

The girls who are here deserve - for the most part - great respect. I certainly accord them that. I think they have great courage.

But do they fully understand what motivates the chasers?. Perhaps the chasers are, in some respects, not entirely disimilar from them? Perhaps they too are born with a difference and some may not learn of this difference until later in their lives? When perhaps they are already committed to complex networks of relationships from which they can't or don't wish to walk away. I would categorise myself within this broad group. It was not until i was established as, in theory, a well settled and red-blooded heterosexual male that i had stirrings of interest in the "otherness' of transexual women.

Perhaps the difference between those "who are transgendered and those males who enjoy the company and sexuality of transgendered women is not as profound as the girls who find themselves women trapped in male bodies beleive?. These are girls/women who have the courage to embark on the challenging and difficult journey to proper womanhood. And yet the admirers or chasers who will never undertake that journey are - nevertheless - attracted to some of the same sexuality that some of the girls are. Don't many of the girls like to be treated as women by men (even if their bodies still bear traces of the gender they are working to abandon) and indeed don't some of the girls still derive sexual satisfaction from utilising their remaining male sexuality? The admirers are drawn - in some way - to the notion of male sexulity but they are not properly gay in that they find the male body in its normal manifestation unnattractive or even repellent.. They admire women. They/we are perhaps bisexuals. I think the hate directed at some admirers/chasers is a little harsh.

Aren't we all - in the end - strung out on a rather more complicated spectrum of sexuality with greater or lesser degrees of difference?

But maybe I'm wrong.

In my view you are one of the most notorious chasers on earth...

Just for writin that..
Confusing yourself with a straight femine t girl? Cmon!

If i was a lesbian...if i was gay AND a T lover...i might consider dating you

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly, didn't you just say that you and husband fuck other couples for coins? If not, then I misunderstood. But I'm just saying that I would not want my man to be fucking other men. What you do is your business, but I don't want a man that's in need of cock so bad that he will fuck another man. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest by saying that. I just know of no other transsexuals who are ok with their man fucking other men and showing his cock to other guys on cam. So, kelly, your standards are a bit off imo.

And obviously, you made your departure from porn on your terms. I made mine on my terms. I don't have any respect for all those Chicago scumbags either, but they do know your t from their own up close and personal experiences. You lived with them. Personally, their whole seedy little scene makes me want to vomit. A big "eat shit and die" to the people who fucked me around in porn. I don't hng out with transsexuals like that. Those are CDs who got a brain storm to be shemale porn stars; not women imo.
NO I NEVER SAID THAT!

And you know I never said that - again Nicole there you go with your pot stirring

We do porn - we don't partake in escorting...

I know many girls okay with it..a lot of the girls I know date gay pornstars..so your claim kind of goes out the window...

I left porn due to the company I worked with, I don't want to go into details about it cause it just causes drama.

It had nothing to do with Chicago - I wont bad mouth anyone - I have plenty to say - and plenty of other girls will back me on it that lived in that home. But I don't really care about that part of my life.. I unlike many move forward and get over things. I don't harp on negativity..

It had nothing to do with anything else, but the company I worked for..plus I was ill..depressed..and just needed out

I am healthier now and now at a decent weight - it's why many think I've been pumped with silicone.

[hefzfavebunii]

Kelly, didn't you just say that you and husband fuck other couples for coins? If not, then I misunderstood. But I'm just saying that I would not want my man to be fucking other men. What you do is your business, but I don't want a man that's in need of cock so bad that he will fuck another man. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest by saying that. I just know of no other transsexuals who are ok with their man fucking other men and showing his cock to other guys on cam. So, Kelly, your standards are a bit off imo.

And obviously, you made your departure from porn on your terms. I made mine on my terms. I don't have any respect for all those Chicago scumbags either, but they do know your t from their own up close and personal experiences. You lived with them. Personally, their whole seedy little scene makes me want to vomit. A big "eat shit and die" to the people who fucked me around in porn. I don't hang out with "transsexuals" like that. Those are CDs who got a brain storm to be shemale porn stars; not women imo.


Why are you so OBSESSED with everyone/everything in Chicago? Every post you make is shade towards someone/something in Chicago. BITCH SHUT UP. Nobody cares about your old, ugly, rotten toothed, manly ass. You live with your fucking MOTHER in New Jersey you dirty bitch. All you do alllll day and night is talk shit on this forum, GET A LIFE!! Get a JOB!! I don't understand how you can bash people, who at least work, have their own places and make money?? You are the ULTIMATE in completely pathetic. I wish I still had the screenshots of those stalker creepy texts you sent me after you failed miserably in Chicago. Nicole, you're nothing but a big dragon with an ugly heart and a big mouth.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Why are you so OBSESSED with everyone/everything in Chicago? Every post you make is shade towards someone/something in Chicago. BITCH SHUT UP. Nobody cares about your old, ugly, rotten toothed, manly ass. You live with your fucking MOTHER in New Jersey you dirty bitch. All you do alllll day and night is talk shit on this forum, GET A LIFE!! Get a JOB!! I don't understand how you can bash people, who at least work, have their own places and make money?? You are the ULTIMATE in completely pathetic. I wish I still had the screenshots of those stalker creepy texts you sent me after you failed miserably in Chicago. Nicole, you're nothing but a big dragon with an ugly heart and a big mouth.
Ashley this is off topic it's about Streamate do you think your section is busier than mine?

A girl is complaining that your section is busier and wants me to move her over there..I think she is just being silly

I tried telling her it's cause she is new and guys haven't figured out she is there yet, but she doesn't want to listen..

I just don't want to bother Liz about it if I don't have to

[Nicole Dupre]

NO I NEVER SAID THAT!

And you know I never said that - again Nicole there you go with your pot stirring

We do porn - we don't partake in escorting...

I know many girls okay with it..a lot of the girls I know date gay pornstars..so your claim kind of goes out the window...

I left porn due to the company I worked with, I don't want to go into details about it cause it just causes drama.

It had nothing to do with Chicago - I wont bad mouth anyone - I have plenty to say - and plenty of other girls will back me on it that lived in that home. But I don't really care about that part of my life.. I unlike many move forward and get over things. I don't harp on negativity..

It had nothing to do with anything else, but the company I worked for..plus I was ill..depressed..and just needed out

I am healthier now and now at a decent weight - it's why many think I've been pumped with silicone.
I don't give a shit if you know girls who date gay porn stars. No offense. lol

And I just said "I might have misunderstood". But I still think dating a bi or gay man, for me at least, is not an option. But I don't care if you do it. Date and fuck whoever you want. Some of my best friends have been gay sex workers. I just don't fuck them.

And Isa has her version of what happened, and you have yours. Yours sounds sketchy imo. But I don't need to hear it again.

Now go do your cam show with your bisexual husband and I'll insult and avoid my cock-thirsty tranny chasers. Thanks loads. Buh bye. lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't give a shit if you know girls who date gay porn stars. No offense. lol

And I just said "I might have misunderstood". But I still think dating a bi or gay man, for me at least, is not an option. But I don't care if you do it. Date and fuck whoever you want. Some of my best friends have been gay sex workers. I just don't fuck them.

And Isa has her version of what happened, and you have yours. Yours sounds sketchy imo. But I don't need to hear it again.

Now go do your cam show with your bisexual husband and I'll insult and avoid my cock-thirsty tranny chasers. Thanks loads. Buh bye. lol
lmao exactly it's between her and I :)

Yet Danielle made it public..and I got hated on for defending myself...

And everyone likes to make it their business..

[Nicole Dupre]

Why are you so OBSESSED with everyone/everything in Chicago? Every post you make is shade towards someone/something in Chicago. BITCH SHUT UP. Nobody cares about your old, ugly, rotten toothed, manly ass. You live with your fucking MOTHER in New Jersey you dirty bitch. All you do alllll day and night is talk shit on this forum, GET A LIFE!! Get a JOB!! I don't understand how you can bash people, who at least work, have their own places and make money?? You are the ULTIMATE in completely pathetic. I wish I still had the screenshots of those stalker creepy texts you sent me after you failed miserably in Chicago. Nicole, you're nothing but a big dragon with an ugly heart and a big mouth.
Drop dead, Ashley. I live in a paid condo by myself. I wouldn't have turned with my mother in the next room, you dummy. You live in the ghetto, last I heard. So don't try it. I have a real job. Actually an awesome real job. I don't have to cry to everyone on Twitter that Mimi beat me up or that she stole my shoes, or that I have to suck dick for hundred bucks to afford my tits. Everyone knows how fake you are now, Ashley. Now go back to kissing Kelly's ass. That's all you're good for. Kissing the asses of people who you use.

[Nicole Dupre]

Most of the smack I heard talked about Kelly was between Ashley and Jasmine, right in Jasmine's living room. So I don't see where you get off coming for me, Ashley. You told me Kelly shit and wiped her ass all over Jasmine's loft. No? Deny it? ;-) lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

lmao Thanks for being example of this thread Nicole of why transsexual woman are what they are..

You could be a poster child..

As far as I know Ashley lives on her own in a sky rise...and has a Mercedes

I don't think she is hurting for much??

*edit* I shouldn't of said as far as I know..I should of said I know for a fact...

You bring nothing to the table but negativity..

It really shows what you are like...

[hefzfavebunii]

Drop dead, Ashley. I live in a paid condo by myself. I wouldn't have turned with my mother in the next room, you dummy. You live in the ghetto, last I heard. So don't try it. I have a real job. Actually an awesome real job. I don't have to cry to everyone on Twitter that Mimi beat me up or that she stole my shoes, or that I have to suck dick for hundred bucks to afford my tits. Everyone knows how fake you are now, Ashley. Now go back to kissing Kelly's ass. That's all you're good for. Kissing the asses of people who you use.

I'm not kissing anyones ass. I don't live in the ghetto I live in the Gold Coast, so check yourself. Mimi never beat me up or stole anything from me. She got a pair of shoes that she promised to gift to me and she joked that she wasn't going to, I was annoyed but she did the next day.. you interperated that as "we aren't friends anymore" and you went ballistic when you saw us tweeting each other. I never sucked dick for a hundred bucks, was 18 and a trick RAPED ME and only left 150$ of my donation. Theres nothing fake about me you old dragon, when I have something to say about someone I use their name! Unlike you who for TWO YEARS has been bashing Jasmine without using her name on here. You're a snake. You have a condo??? HAHAHA where Jersey City, Camden?? You're a sad ugly person who loves to hurt people and make things up... I never said anything about you until now because I'm fed up with your big mouth! NOBODY LIKES YOU!

[Nicole Dupre]

lmao Thanks for being example of this thread Nicole of why transsexual woman are what they are..

You could be a poster child..

As far as I know Ashley lives on her own in a sky rise...and has a Mercedes

I don't think she is hurting for much??

*edit* I shouldn't of said as far as I know..I should of said I know for a fact...

You bring nothing to the table but negativity..

It really shows what you are like...
Neither am I. ;-) lol

And an example of what? Someone who's not believing you? Your whole life story was discussed by Jasmine and Ashley quite a bit. I didn't ask them for details. They were going on and on about you, mostly Jasmine.

And I heard about what happened with you and Isa directly from Isa, not from Danielle. I talked to Isa on the phone for almost 2 hrs about all kinds of things.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Neither am I. ;-) lol

And an example of what? Someone who's not believing you? Your whole life story was discussed by Jasmine and Ashley quite a bit. I didn't ask them for details. They were going on and on about you, mostly Jasmine.

And I heard about what happened with you and Isa directly from Isa, not from Danielle. I talked to Isa on the phone for almost 2 hrs about all kinds of things.
Well good for you speaking to Isa..doesn't make it true..that's her story..I have mine...that's between her and I...

FYI if I hadn't of thrown the fit I did or left! I'd still be with SMC my site would still be up...

Isa didn't take down my website till i threw a fit on twitter..

I asked her by email to take it down......so I had to resort to twitter..

And I have documents that prove otherwise...

But really who cares that was 2009...

And it really shows how much of a drama queen you are and how much of a high school girl you are to go on and on about 2009 - it's 2012

I mean really Nicole you just sound sad...



:)

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm not kissing anyones ass. I don't live in the ghetto I live in the Gold Coast, so check yourself. Mimi never beat me up or stole anything from me. She got a pair of shoes that she promised to gift to me and she joked that she wasn't going to, I was annoyed but she did the next day.. you interperated that as "we aren't friends anymore" and you went ballistic when you saw us tweeting each other. I never sucked dick for a hundred bucks, was 18 and a trick RAPED ME and only left 150$ of my donation. Theres nothing fake about me you old dragon, when I have something to say about someone I use their name! Unlike you who for TWO YEARS has been bashing Jasmine without using her name on here. You're a snake. You have a condo??? HAHAHA where Jersey City, Camden?? You're a sad ugly person who loves to hurt people and make things up... I never said anything about you until now because I'm fed up with your big mouth! NOBODY LIKES YOU!
Camden? I live in a 400K condo in Morristown. Don't go by where you have to work when you visit NJ.

And I don't care who likes me. Ironically, you told me you "lived for my posts" a few months ago. But since you're so two-faced, I told you to fuck off then and I'm telling you to fuck off now. I've heard your stories about Mimi, which you then retracted in her presence. And I've seen your crocodile tears in person. So piss off, liar.

[Nicole Dupre]

Well good for you speaking to Isa..doesn't make it true..that's her story..I have mine...that's between her and I...

I have documents that prove otherwise...

And it really shows how much of a drama queen you are and how much of a high school girl you are to go on and on about 2009 - it's 2012

I mean really Nicole you just sound sad...



:)
I'll take my life over yours any day. lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'll take my life over yours any day. lol
You don't seem to? You seem so concerned on everyone's lives but your own..

[EvonRose]

Mamaz wah happened? I thought we were talking about the negative effects of chasers?

Now ppl live in high rises, driving mercedez, being ghetto and beat up, getting their jimmy choos stolen?

At the end of the day seems like we share a common ground, thats why theres no need to bash a group of ts bec in my oppinion woth what is said.

We all have a tendency to b catty, superficial, and defensive.

Nicole has her views

Kelly has hers.

Ultimatley i just wanted to adress the offense to this thread.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Mamaz wah happened? I thought we were talking about the negative effects of chasers?

Now ppl live in high rises, driving mercedez, being ghetto and beat up, getting their jimmy choos stolen?

At the end of the day seems like we share a common ground, thats why theres no need to bash a group of ts bec in my oppinion woth what is said.

We all have a tendency to b catty, superficial, and defensive.

Nicole has her views

Kelly has hers.

Ultimatley i just wanted to adress the offense to this thread.I don't think there is anything offensive about it.

Several men that have dated trans-women long term like Willie Escalade had the same opinion as me..

Or Eric from New York that has done trans documentaries and a huge supporter of trans has said yes he agrees..

Tons of girls on my facebook and twitter agreed...talking about their experience being friends with trans girls and how it let them down.

I pointed out the fact how you went after my looks/age 3 or 4 times

And how Nicole is showing how many transsexuals act..gossips...backstabbers..bullies..and just hateful

I feel many girls watched Mean Girls too much and now craft their life after it

And by the way I have no pity for girls who are passable that complain all day about being treated like sex objects..

What about girls that couldn't pass a day in their life or walk down the street...those girls are not only treated like crap by the public..but by their sisters and men...

Those are the girls that should be complaining...

At least many of us can walk down the street and have some sense of normalcy..

If a girl isn't passable she is labeled a crossdresser by many on here...

Who the hell are you to say a girl isn't a transsexual just cause she doesn't look like a supermodel?

I just find it disgusting..

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh. Btw, Kelly? I really don't care. lol Lord knows I've heard everything I could possibly have ever needed to know about you. Good luck. :)

You have nothing on my life. I was talking about chasers.

Now where were we...?

[hefzfavebunii]

Camden? I live in a 400K condo in Morristown. Don't go by where you have to work when you visit NJ.

And I don't care who likes me. Ironically, you told me you "lived for my posts" a few months ago. But since you're so two-faced, I told you to fuck off then and I'm telling you to fuck off now. I've heard your stories about Mimi, which you then retracted in her presence. And I've seen your crocodile tears in person. So piss off, liar.

I do live for your posts when you're not bullying someone or trying to tear someone down. You were never in the presence of Mimi and I at the same time, so how is that possible?? What stories are these I'm interested, the only story you heard from me is about the shoes which was completely insignificant... Mimi and I aren't even friends anymore.. So who really cares.

[EvonRose]

So ur going to completley disregard calling me jaded, delusional, and ignorant for not wanting to date chasers?

Are we playing victim now?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh. Btw, Kelly? I really don't care. lol Lord knows I've heard everything I could possibly have ever needed to know about you. Good luck. :)
Glad you "heard" and not your own experience...

I don't ever base my opinion of someone by others...

I have met many girls that everyone spoke bad about were awesome chicks...

And then girls that everyone praised were looney toons...

It's quite sad how people go off gossip and rumors

[Nicole Dupre]

Ah-hem. lol

Anyway, yes. I don't have high tolerance for chasers. Admirers are fine. Chasers are losers. They're phony. They want what they know that by rights they should pay for, but they want it for free. So they try to play for it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

So ur going to completley disregard calling me jaded, delusional, and ignorant for not wanting to date chasers?

Are we playing victim now?
I said you sound jaded...I didn't say you were jaded...

Two different things...

I said you and many girls label anything and everything a chaser..

I said girls in my opinion enable mens actions..why would a guy want to treat you with any respect when you treat them like crap?

A totally nice guy who is dumb to transsexuals who could of been taught a thing or two..can be tainted and then he turns into an asshole..why cause some girl with a chip on her shoulder goes off on him. And then that becomes his perception of all of us!

Many girls in my opinion are enablers of how they are treated!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ah-hem. lol

Anyway, yes. I don't have high tolerance for chasers. Admirers are fine. Chasers are losers. They're phony. They want what they know that by rights they should pay for, but they want it for free. So they try to play for it.
So it's your opinion every guy that doesn't want to pay an escort..if he doesn't know you are a working girl...is a chaser??

But then you proceed to tell him oh honey I'm a working girl...and he says oh sorry I'm not into that...he is labeled a chaser?

Sounds quite unfair to me..

[Nicole Dupre]

I do live for your posts when you're not bullying someone or trying to tear someone down. You were never in the presence of Mimi and I at the same time, so how is that possible?? What stories are these I'm interested, the only story you heard from me is about the shoes which was completely insignificant... Mimi and I aren't even friends anymore.. So who really cares.
Really? What happened? Was Kelly was a better person to be friends with?

Wait. Who are you again?

Oh, Ashley. Riiiiight. The two-faced girl. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

So it's your opinion every guy that doesn't want to pay an escort..if he doesn't know you are a working girl...is a chaser??

But then you proceed to tell him oh honey I'm a working girl...and he says oh sorry I'm not into that...he is labeled a chaser?

Sounds quite unfair to me..
But I'm not a working girl. I retired from escorting almost 9 months ago. My site can come down at any time. lol I have a great job. I'm not kidding. Seriously, people hate me for saying things I feel, but I don't lie. I hate lying and liars. So that's that. I want SRS and I no longer juggle clients and chasers. I've been dating fairly regular guys. I shit you not.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Really? What happened? Was Kelly was a better person to be friends with?

Wait. Who are you again?

Oh, Ashley. Riiiiight. The two-faced girl. lol
Everyone and their mother can be labeled two-faced..including you...

It's in the past why on earth is it relevant now?

You are living in a 400,000 dollar condo and going to school - you are happy as you say...good...

Ashley lives in a great place and doing well....good

Why is any of the past and mistakes of others so important to you..

Are you so infallible that you have never made mistakes Nicole?

We all have our skeletons in our closet and you dish everyone's but your own...

And when someone dishes yours you get upset...

I find people who are happy in their life have no reason to hate on others..

[MrsKellyPierce]

But I'm not a working girl. I retired from escorting almost 9 months ago. My site can come down at any time. lol I have a great job. I'm not kidding. Seriously, people hate me for saying things I feel, but I don't lie. I hate lying and liars. So that's that. I want SRS and I no longer juggle clients and chasers. I've been dating fairly regular guys. I shit you not.
But your stance in all your statements about chasers has to do with escorting..thats what I was responding to..

[EvonRose]

Ah see that was your mistake, because i dont just label any guys chasers, nothing in post indicated that. You just assume because you categorized as one of those ts, so maybe you need to look up what jaded means and apply that to yourself.

I clearly stated and gave an explanation of what i believe is a chaser, so if you cant read its not my fault.

You call me delusional for stating facts about my life yet you dont like it when nicole does the same.

Your a ts who is an activist obviously i want to hold u to a standard, but your thread just gives ts a bad light, and you stated out yourself you have negative views on your own kind.

Do you see how that could be hypocritical?

[Nicole Dupre]

But your stance in all your statements about chasers has to do with escorting..thats what I was responding to..
You don't think I still come across chasers when I tell them I have a dick? Only working girls encounter chasers? I hope you don't actually believe that.

I have sold my body since my teens. Imo my perspective as a provider is still a valid one. But I'm done with it. I wouldn't even hint at being done with it if I wasn't. So what? I can't just chit chat about it? If I do I'm being mean to someone? Your bisexuality is more valid than my sexuality? Is your thread exclusively for providers and people who do porn? Just tell me so, and I won't contribute to it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ah see that was your mistake, because i dont just label any guys chasers, nothing in post indicated that. You just assume because you categorized as one of those ts, so maybe you need to look up what jaded means and apply that to yourself.

I clearly stated and gave an explanation of what i believe is a chaser, so if you cant read its not my fault.

You call me delusional for stating facts about my life yet you dont like it when nicole does the same.

Your a ts who is an activist obviously i want to hold u to a standard, but your thread just gives ts a bad light, and you stated out yourself you have negative views on your own kind.

Do you see how that could be hypocritical?Nicole isn't stating facts she is stating heresay and gossip. Then twisting it.

Just like she is doing to Ashley.

This is what Nicole does..she is good at what she does..and she enjoys it.

She thinks she knows everyone's business, but yet she pays no mind to her own.

Sounds pretty sad to me. I don't spend my days talking about others or berating others. She does - that's her choice. But doesn't sound like a happy person to me.

I have never been nothing but respectful and nice to everyone in my life. Even when others were mean to me I held my head high and tried to be nice. I don't mind being the hated one on my opinions or my thoughts. I have a strong sense of myself and who I am. I will admit there is one or two trans girls I have fought with and no not Jasmine. Wendy...but that's cause she also at times does what Nicole does. And then another porn girl Kimber. Those are the only two I have really ever fought with or spoken ill about. But I've said those things to their faces. Wendy and I now ignore each other. But I still get told she says things about me on her twitter, but I ignore it. It's just stupid and petty. Then I get girls making up phony twitter accounts...I ignore that to. It's all just silliness to me. I know at the end of the day I'm a good person and that's all that matters.

Other than that I ignore drama and try to live my life. I said I doubt what you are saying from you contradicting yourself a few times in your statements. You can also see the contempt you have for men in your writings and your bashing. Not just in this thread, but many threads. For you to pull a blind eye and say that none of this goes on at all is laughable. As well as delusional. You have your opinion - I have mine.

[MrsKellyPierce]

You don't think I still come across chasers when I tell them I have a dick? Only working girls encounter chasers? I hope you don't actually believe that.

I have sold my body since my teens. Imo my perspective as a provider is still a valid one. But I'm done with it. I wouldn't even hint at being done with it if I wasn't. So what? I can't just chit chat about it? If I do I'm being mean to someone? Your bisexuality is more valid than my sexuality? Is your thread exclusively for providers and people who do porn? Just tell me so, and I won't contribute to it.
No Nicole in almost every post you made about chasers you said oh they have to pay for it yadda yadda yadda...and if they don't feel they need to pay for it..their labeled a chaser...

That's what I was responding to.

I honestly never knew what a chaser was till I got into the porn world...

I just called them hard up guys that I dismissed..

Like when I went to the ts clubs in LA it was just weird to me and freaked me out.

They look at you like they are looking through a microscope..

I just thought they were horny guys - cause I feel the same way when I go to straight clubs but less

[allurstouse]

ok I feel like meat someone asked to see my cock picture lol...I'm an exibitionist at heart I offered to cam it....why someone would want to see it is beyond my understanding:geek:

[Nicole Dupre]

Everyone and their mother can be labeled two-faced..including you...

It's in the past why on earth is it relevant now?

You are living in a 400,000 dollar condo and going to school - you are happy as you say...good...

Ashley lives in a great place and doing well....good

Why is any of the past and mistakes of others so important to you..

Are you so infallible that you have never made mistakes Nicole?

We all have our skeletons in our closet and you dish everyone's but your own...

And when someone dishes yours you get upset...

I find people who are happy in their life have no reason to hate on others..
I never said I haven't made mistakes or that my life's been perfect. But I do think it's pretty nice.

And I never said I hated Ashley.I wasn't even thinking about her, let alone discussing her. She came for me. It's pretty obvious. I don't think much of Ashley, but that's how Ashley made it. Not me. When people show me their true colors, I accept it. But I don't hate her. I don't hate a soul.

Anyway, I ran away at 15 and started sucking dicks on the West Side Highway. I lived in hooker hotels. I used hard drugs. I dated men who abused me. I've been raped. I've been broke. My extended family is mostly both career law enforcement and career criminals; cops and robbers, pigs and hoods. That's not exactly a perfect life. But it's ok. I'm still proud. My conscience is clean. And my life is actually really nice now. I was just killing some time while I'm working from home today. I'm actually working now, and typing in between phone calls. lol

[EvonRose]

I dont know porn girls as most of my friends are straight guys, and gg, i have one ts bestie.. I cant relate

However everything stated is false. I have no contempt in men or admirers.

If thats the case i wouldnt b friends or aqquaintances with some guys on here

Ed jackson
Willie
Oem
Blks

I like them alot and hung out, and i wouldnt call them chasers or bash them. Thats false! So no im not delusional, i speak honestly. Theres no contradictions to anything i say, or hate towards men. I am friends with a few chasers but i will not date them.

If a guy dates only white girls for his personal taste is he racist because he does not date blacks? No...

I dont date chasers so you shpuldnt assume im a man hater... I love men, men love me. Deal with it.

[allurstouse]

I never said I haven't made mistakes or that my life's been perfect. But I do think it's pretty nice.

And I never said I hated Ashley.I wasn't even thinking about her, let alone discussing her. She came for me. It's pretty obvious. I don't think much of Ashley, but that's how Ashley made it. Not me. When people show me their true colors, I accept it. But I don't hate her. I don't hate a soul.

Anyway, I ran away at 15 and started sucking dicks on the West Side Highway. I lived in hooker hotels. I used hard drugs. I dated men who abused me. I've been raped. I've been broke. My extended family is mostly both career law enforcement and career criminals; cops and robbers, pigs and hoods. That's not exactly a perfect life. But it's ok. I'm still proud. My conscience is clean. And my life is actually really nice now. I was just killing some time while I'm working from home today. I'm actually working now, and typing in between phone calls. lol
That is precisely what i meant when I said tremendous courage and tremendous resilence. You didn't let the world keep you down and surviving that and not being broken by it shows amazing charactor /bow not to the penis to the triumph

[MrsKellyPierce]

I dont know porn girls as most of my friends are straight guys, and gg, i have one ts bestie.. I cant relate

However everything stated is false. I have no contempt in men or admirers.

If thats the case i wouldnt b friends or aqquaintances with some guys on here

Ed jackson
Willie
Oem
Blks

I like them alot and hung out, and i wouldnt call them chasers or bash them. Thats false! So no im not delusional, i speak honestly. Theres no contradictions to anything i say, or hate towards men. I am friends with a few chasers but i will not date them.

If a guy dates only white girls for his personal taste is he racist because he does not date blacks? No...

I dont date chasers so you shpuldnt assume im a man hater... I love men, men love me. Deal with it.
But a person you mentioned said I was spot on..so would you say he is wrong?

I don't hang out with ts porn girls - I have female friends I hang with - I just find we have more in common than transsexuals.

I can't relate to a lot of transsexuals on their views or their drama ways.

As I said I've only met one hand of girls in the porn world that were good people..

The rest were focused on negativity - hatred - depressed - drugged up - and the list goes on...

I think some had to be ADD or just crazy lol

That's why my hanging with transsexuals or speaking to transsexuals consists of online only..

Unless I already knew the girl like Foxxy or Jesse

[Nicole Dupre]

No Nicole in almost every post you made about chasers you said oh they have to pay for it yadda yadda yadda...and if they don't feel they need to pay for it..their labeled a chaser...

That's what I was responding to.

I honestly never knew what a chaser was till I got into the porn world...

I just called them hard up guys that I dismissed..

Like when I went to the ts clubs in LA it was just weird to me and freaked me out.

They look at you like they are looking through a microscope..

I just thought they were horny guys - cause I feel the same way when I go to straight clubs but less
Well, yes. Certain guys DO have to pay for it. What's wrong with that? I mean, c'mon. How would the dorks and dweebs in life ever get laid without paying? lol

Let me also point out, chasers don't hold up a sign that says "I'm a chaser". They're sneaks. Often they even have some money. But their pride won't allow them to give you a gift. I just have my own theories on chasers. There are different types, but they're mostly all the same. Chasers in clubs are the most transparent chasers there are. I've encountered my share of them too. But all chasers are "dogs" or "playas". That's what GG's call them. I just call them chasers because they have that cock obsession for transsexuals going as well.

[EvonRose]

But a person you mentioned said I was spot on..so would you say he is wrong?

Not at all! Because ppl have diffrent views Kels.

I wasnt even wanting to mention my offense to your thread bec your allowed on your view, what pissed me off was when you stated i sound jaded. Then i had to say it because its not fair for u to assume one mentality without proper knowledge.

[Nicole Dupre]

Ok, back to work now. I'll let Ashley be your bright beam of transsexual sunshine for the rest of the day. ;-)

Toodles. lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

Not at all! Because ppl have diffrent views Kels.

I wasnt even wanting to mention my offense to your thread bec your allowed on your view, what pissed me off was when you stated i sound jaded. Then i had to say it because its not fair for u to assume one mentality without proper knowledge.
But I said a majority - if you weren't part of the majority why did you respond at all?

Why do you deny what goes on when it's so prevalent?

I had a ts girlfriend who went out with this great guy - he didn't try to have sex with her - he just took her on dates - they dated a month or so - and then they started talking about past experiences - he brought up he dated another transsexual for 8 years- bam she calls me up crying saying he is just a tranny chaser.....

I'm like girl where is it written in the stars he is a tranny chaser cause he dated another trans girl? She said yes it means he isn't straight...I was like ummmmmmmm...I said other than that what's wrong with him...and she said nothing he is perfect..but because of that she never saw him again..and now she is pretty miserable.

That is what I'm talking about as well..girls that get so up in arms if a guy watches tranny porn when they are dating or been with another trans..girls are so competitive they can't stand it..Their pride gets in the way to allowing them a real worthwhile relationship.

[EvonRose]

Kels when you say i sound jaded then make a comment and say this is the reason why you have no ts friend. You automatically grouped me along with them. Thats why i responded.

[KittyPride]

I don't think there is anything offensive about it.

Several men that have dated trans-women long term like Willie Escalade had the same opinion as me..

Or Eric from New York that has done trans documentaries and a huge supporter of trans has said yes he agrees..

Tons of girls on my facebook and twitter agreed...talking about their experience being friends with trans girls and how it let them down.

I pointed out the fact how you went after my looks/age 3 or 4 times

And how Nicole is showing how many transsexuals act..gossips...backstabbers..bullies..and just hateful

I feel many girls watched Mean Girls too much and now craft their life after it

And by the way I have no pity for girls who are passable that complain all day about being treated like sex objects..

What about girls that couldn't pass a day in their life or walk down the street...those girls are not only treated like crap by the public..but by their sisters and men...

Those are the girls that should be complaining...

At least many of us can walk down the street and have some sense of normalcy..

If a girl isn't passable she is labeled a crossdresser by many on here...

Who the hell are you to say a girl isn't a transsexual just cause she doesn't look like a supermodel?

I just find it disgusting..

Kelly...i think you are right !

Agree 100% with the above...

Ive seen girls here that claim non-passable girls can only date gay guys and calling guys dating them gay...

While at the same time they top guys for money...thats idiotic!

I also think you have a realistic view on life and men and have enjoyed reading your posts here...

The problem i have with chasers is that i often dont match with them...i dont top...and i want te be treated like a woman...

Most chasers dont give me that feeling...

[sosed]

Ladies, it is interesting to read all your comments here, because they show different sides of one bigger picture. I would not judge anyone, because anyone is different person with different life experiences, positive and negative and live in different environment.

I could also say for men, there are good ones and there are bad ones. It is wise to look on everyone as an individual.

Also I think not every tgirls admirer is chaser, I think there are those, who understand, respect and support tgirls and see them human being and woman. Also I don't think liking tgirls means automatically being gay. I like both GG and Tgirls and admire their feminine, not matter cock or vagina between legs. On the other hand I have no sexual interest in Tmales (males, born in female body), who transition into males and get male body although they have vagina between their legs. They are males for me. I respect them as human beings, but I'm not interested into males. It is more important who you are, than what you have between legs.

[tsadriana]

You people started with a nice thread and in the end start killing each others with such a deep words...Sometimes im really shocked in what stage goes this respect btw you.

[KittyPride]

Ladies, it is interesting to read all your comments here, because they show different sides of one bigger picture. I would not judge anyone, because anyone is different person with different life experiences, positive and negative and live in different environment.

I could also say for men, there are good ones and there are bad ones. It is wise to look on everyone as an individual.

Also I think not every tgirls admirer is chaser, I think there are those, who understand, respect and support tgirls and see them human being and woman. Also I don't think liking tgirls means automatically being gay. I like both GG and Tgirls and admire their feminine, not matter cock or vagina between legs. On the other hand I have no sexual interest in Tmales (males, born in female body), who transition into males and get male body although they have vagina between their legs. They are males for me. I respect them as human beings, but I'm not interested into males. It is more important who you are, than what you have between legs.

Very true...same goes for me...

Thats why i wont date a man in drag that wants to bottom...
But i would date a female to male TS....
Its not the private parts...its the soul and sexual behavior thats important to me...(and looks of course, but less so).

[MrsKellyPierce]

You people started with a nice thread and in the end start killing each others with such a deep words...Sometimes im really shocked in what stage goes this respect btw you.
I so agree

[tsadriana]

Remember this everyday when u look in the mirror as is so true so deep and im gonna post always when is needed.
Before you Judge my Life, my Past or my Character...Walk in My Shoes!!!Walk the Path I have Travelled,Live my Sorrow, my Doubts, my Fear, my Pain ... and my Laughter!Remember, "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged!"Everyone has Their Own Story!When you've Lived My Life, Then and Only Then,You Can Judge Me!!!

[muh_muh]

i love the whole "kelly shows ts in a bad light" angle when just a few pages later the, for lack of a better word, community shows that you clearly dont need kelly to make yourselfs look like a bunch of psychopaths

please keep going this is precisely why i still visit these parts

[tsadriana]

My view is that people are really confused with their own image but with others image.

[allurstouse]

I don't think liking tgirls means automatically being gay. .

Of course not but sexuality isnt a gay, a bi, a hetero hole to put a peg in it's a scale and not a simple one more like a three dimmesional 4 axis chart with tonds of different variabes. Thinking it's cookie cutter labels leads to pyscho drama and conflict.

[tsadriana]

Liking tgirls doesnt make u gay ,because actualy u like the femininity with that someting extra....liking a gay does make u gay imao

[Wendy Summers]

Of course not but sexuality isnt a gay, a bi, a hetero hole to put a peg in it's a scale and not a simple one more like a three dimmesional 4 axis chart with tonds of different variabes. Thinking it's cookie cutter labels leads to pyscho drama and conflict.

Welcome to Hung Angels luv... hope you survive the experience lolz...

[SunshyneMonroe]

You guys are so mean I don't get why ts hate on each other so much I could care less about another girl but maybe thats due too the fact I'm doing well I think ppl hate on others when there lives are not what they really want

[Wendy Summers]

You guys are so mean I don't get why ts hate on each other so much I could care less about another girl but maybe thats due too the fact I'm doing well I think ppl hate on others when there lives are not what they really want

I hate to say it but it's not simply a TS thing - I know plenty of non-TS women who behave similarly... but you're right typically low self-esteem results in lashing out at others.

[tsadriana]

You guys are so mean I don't get why ts hate on each other so much I could care less about another girl but maybe thats due too the fact I'm doing well I think ppl hate on others when there lives are not what they really want
Finaly someone thinks like me.

[tsadriana]

Your look will be so much better if ur heart will not be so bad....being bad makes u look ugly...being good makes u look more beautiful then u show.

[allurstouse]

I hate to say it but it's not simply a TS thing - I know plenty of non-TS women who behave similarly... but you're right typically low self-esteem results in lashing out at others.
natural selection http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bitch-evolved-girls-cruel

[allurstouse]

Welcome to Hung Angels luv... hope you survive the experience lolz...

shit this is just like dinner growing up only no one is throwing anything

[giovanni_hotel]

Just being honest, but this thread alone is enough to turn off any guy into tgirls completely.

Just so much scary bullshit. Who needs all that drama in life???

Every single guy not in a committed relationship is a CHASER, whether he's straight/gay/bi.
They are looking for sex with a slightly compatible partner/female. ALL THE TIME.

Some guys aren't wired for more than the most superficial of relationships. Some men operate at their best emotionally within a monogamous coupling.

Personally I enjoy the comfort and security of being with ONE person who is physically attracted to me, AND gives a shit about me outside the bedroom.

If enough of the right buttons are pushed with the 'right' girl, my ass will instinctively SLOW DOWN.

By inclination I guess I would be called a 'chaser' but not in reality because I don't know enough Ts to fulfill that desire.


Good luck finding those guys who allow themselves to be open to more than just getting their nut and maybe catch feelings, or the straight guy who 'accidentally' becomes attracted to a transgendered woman.

IMO women are responsible for how men treat them; a guy will be as much of a loser with a female as he's allowed to be.

If I'm not exclusively dating a woman, it's a good chance I'm going to have SEX with other women.

Straight women call this a SINGLE MAN.
Trannies label this type of guy a COCKHOUND/CHASER.

smh.

I hope everyone finds what they're looking for, which in my case is a TG who's genitalia doesn't define the entire context of her every intimate relationship.

[Wendy Summers]

shit this is just like dinner growing up only no one is throwing anything

lolz

[tsadriana]

After storm the sunshine will come up

[Wendy Summers]

Straight women call this a SINGLE MAN.
Trannies label this type of guy a COCKHOUND/CHASER.

I think a factor here is this is a lesson women learn in their teenager years.

For TS women the opportunity to discover this is (typically) much later developmentally speaking and at a point where the stakes and consequences are much higher.

I think maybe that's some of the disconect?

[Teydyn]

Straight women call this a SINGLE MAN.
Trannies label this type of guy a COCKHOUND/CHASER.
You got it totally wrong, this is so not what they are saying.

(Even if it is... :ignore:)

[EvonRose]

I'm gonna become lesbian I swear....

[SunshyneMonroe]

The point is all men are chasers pussy ass dick whatever that's how men are made I don't understand how tranny hookers feel they have the right to Judge anyone lol in my mind anyone that likes dick can't be 100 str8 but who am I too tell anyone what too call themselves I feel I'm a woman but many ppl will say different you would think a tranny hooker would be more understanding lol

[Wendy Summers]

I'm gonna become lesbian I swear....

Been there. Done that. Got a toaster.

[Deepdarkfucker]

I believe that Men will be men and women will be women. So, the I take the best from all that has been said here about men and women; and just ask if a tranny is truly a transgendered woman...she is just a woman. Otherwise, the only issue is is when trannies are conflicted they just are not together...like anyone else who is?

[Willie Escalade]

Just being honest, but this thread alone is enough to turn off any guy into tgirls completely.

Just so much scary bullshit. Who needs all that drama in life???.
I feel you there, brah.

Being a black male, I'm already prejudged. From now on, when I head to the store for some Skittles and iced tea, I'll be driving my car and keeping my hoodie down, thank you.

And now I have to deal with this? Especially when I know lots of the girls? My buddy Yogi hit the nail on the head. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother when I know many have already made their decision about me because of the company I keep.

Working late nights during the week has kept me from the clubs/scene (and some of the drama that goes with it) somewhat. Honestly, I don't miss it at all.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Willie sweethert Im not sure wht world you live in

[lifeisfiction]

Been there. Done that. Got a toaster.

Well there is still hope for dating sensible women.

[Wendy Summers]

Well there is still hope for dating sensible women.

My point was dating men or women is complicated just in different ways.

This is why I want to find a good married couple to date... #bestofbothworlds... :fuckin::fuckin:

[giovanni_hotel]

You got it totally wrong, this is so not what they are saying.

(Even if it is... :ignore:)

If I approach a woman socially, chat her up, have things in common, but she tells me 5 minutes in we ARE NOT going to have sex at any point in the near future, I'm gonna bounce.

Does that mean I was ONLY interested in her for sex?? No. But if she's a celibate I'm probably going to look to make the acquaintance of another woman who didn't lose the key to open the lock on her pussy.

If I approach a TG the same way, with an admitted sexual interest but not being a creep about it, depending on the girl I'm a 'chaser'.

There's so many different fucking definitions of the word floating around here, how the hell do you know what 'they' mean??lol

Trying to get freebies off an escort from jump is just a guy being a guy IMO. Wanting a freebie and expecting it are two different things.

And I don't get why any escort would be pissed at a guy trying to get the goodies pro bono unless he had previously agreed to a negotiated donation, in which case that's just a bitch move.

I know Black dudes who won't date(will fuck but won't pursue a LTR) a White girl who's been with other Black guys before, because in their minds she doesn't have a 'preference' but instead a 'fetish' for Black dick.

LOL.

Sound familiar???

My friends and I call these kinds of Black men....INSECURE.:loser:

[bluesoul]

I don't understand how tranny hookers feel they have the right to Judge anyone lol

well, it seems that a majority of the female transsexual population are hookers (or have been hookers at some point) so it's almost normal at this point.

[buttslinger]

If I were gay I'd go for a EM-AY-EN MAN like Steve Reeves.....