Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[Dino Velvet]

If I had money I would make the Jacksons look normal.

I like that. Good one.

[trish]

Trish, if your Mom and Dad had sex in a position 180 degrees different from when you were conceived, you would be Asian downstares, and Black upstairs.

Nonsense. I simply would not have been conceived. That would've been somebody else.

[buttslinger]

I'm not even sure I understand this point though.

I mean yes, you can judge anybody you want, you can even get to know a pet so well you know when they're out of character. But no way can you ever get into his skin.
There is no such thing as the same circumstances.
No Judge in Court would buy this, of course,
Judges see guys because of actions they do on the worst day of their life.
But if you're on a jury, you might get four guilty, four innocent, and four undecided.
When you're asleep you see people do all kinds of things, but you don't prosecute because it's all imaginary.
When you're awake, you see people do bad things, and you call em on it, or even call the cops.
But your judgement is only as wise as your are.

There was a guy at work who was a complete and total asshole. Eight out of ten agreed and the other two were too polite to say. Something was obviously wrong with the guy, he eventually got booted out. I don't know what idiot hired him, but when it comes to running a business, it's not so much judging as making a business decision. In school, you grade on ability.

So my point is judgement is ALWAYS flawed, and flawed is bordering on wrong.

You can not judge a man, you make an educated guess based on the available facts. Just like the doctor when you're sick.
take it, Hank

[broncofan]

You can't be certain you know what someone else dealt with I agree. I was just saying it's a bit extreme to say you can never judge anyone no matter what they've done. You cannot literally superimpose your psyche on theirs or know precisely what decisions you would make under a set of constraints you haven't experienced.

You can for instance guess that you would not stab someone because they mocked you or massacre a crowd of people over some imagined grievance. Again, if you have to account for the subjective experience of the other person you leave no variable to consider. For every person who does something worthy of condemnation there are people who experience similar though not identical circumstances who made different choices.

This is what Republicans complain about(or should complain about) when they talk about moral relativism. To say that nobody can ever be judged by anyone else is to completely give up on making any sense of the world.

[broncofan]

Edit: and yeah I realize this is the climate change thread so we're off track a bit. Substitute out the stabbing and massacre examples with spilling oil all over the coast and emitting a lot of greenhouse gases.

[buttslinger]

To say that nobody can ever be judged by anyone else is to completely give up on making any sense of the world.

Now you're catching on.

Some A-rab is going to decide all us Americans are Devils and explode a few atomic bombs in the states, the politicians all know this, that's why they drink champagne and tell everybody whatever they want to hear.
So don't sweat the pollution. We got forty, fifty years max.

[trish]

There was a guy at work who was a complete and total asshole. Eight out of ten agreed and the other two were too polite to say. Something was obviously wrong with the guy, he eventually got booted out. I don't know what idiot hired him, but when it comes to running a business, it's not so much judging as making a business decision. In school, you grade on ability.

So my point is judgement is ALWAYS flawed, and flawed is bordering on wrong.

So what's the difference between 1) a businessman judging that a certain employee's reliability isn't worth the paycheck he's getting, and 2) a jury judging that a woman is innocent (or guilty) of the crimes for which she's being prosecuted? They're both judgments. They're both made with imperfect knowledge by people who are engaged in making the best decision they reasonably can. In the first case the motivation may be provided by profit and in the second by a sense of duty. But in practice I don't think juries are any less seriously engaged than a mid level management man behind a desk.

[Ben]

Profiting from Climate Change:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/31-6

[buttslinger]

So what's the difference between 1) a businessman judging that a certain employee's reliability isn't worth the paycheck he's getting, and 2) a jury judging that a woman is innocent (or guilty) of the crimes for which she's being prosecuted? .

You don't care, you just get off busting my chops
A man is not a job, or an arm, or a leg, or an ambition. Or daily actions. These are parts that when taken together become a life.
This life here.

You can not judge a man. Correctly.
Until the game is over.
Judgements, people, mistakes, events, sins, they all come in thousands of flavors, Am I responsible for every little thing that passes by my eye?

And what about trannies? (as a topic) Are they women in men's bodies? Weird-os? Are they responsible for being trannies? Or was it the mirror that led them to it???? If there are 13 people in a room, twelve of them are eying the tranny. And you've got twelve different judgements. Are any of them correct?

[martin48]

All too clever for me. Climate change is a much more tractable problem.

"I have experienced the judgement of a lot of people - and deservedly so."

You don't care, you just get off busting my chops
A man is not a job, or an arm, or a leg, or an ambition. Or daily actions. These are parts that when taken together become a life.
This life here.

You can not judge a man. Correctly.
Until the game is over.
Judgements, people, mistakes, events, sins, they all come in thousands of flavors, Am I responsible for every little thing that passes by my eye?

And what about trannies? (as a topic) Are they women in men's bodies? Weird-os? Are they responsible for being trannies? Or was it the mirror that led them to it???? If there are 13 people in a room, twelve of them are eying the tranny. And you've got twelve different judgements. Are any of them correct?