Fuck You AVN!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Steven who owns xxxxxxxxxxxxx- be I've dmca'd them several times and they ignore me

[VictoriaVeil]

Legitimate = non-porn. Think dishwashing liquid.

Darling, the level of free porn available, not to mention internet penetration, has expanded considerably since 2001. And don't bother quoting 12 year old statistics from a different age and assume they indicate a forever, unbroken, upward path.

Not for nothing, but porn is a legit business! Since you think more recent numbers, the following is from the pinkcross website , which is actually anti-porn!

It is estimated that there are 4.2 million porn Web sites — 12 percent of the total amount of sites — allowing access to 72 million worldwide visitors monthly. One-quarter of total daily search engine requests, or 68 million, are for pornographic material, where 40 million Americans are regular visitors.

Chatsworth, California produces 85% of the world’s adult content. All of the top female talent agencies are located in or with in the Chatsworth local radius. Female performers are flown or fly to Chatsworth to work in the adult industry. All of the world’s top male talents live or travel to Chatsworth California for work. Almost every major and minor adult DVD Company is in the local Chatsworth radius.

The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $9–$13 billion in gross revenues annually. An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers.

[nysprod]

Not for nothing, but porn is a legit business! Since you think more recent numbers, the following is from the pinkcross website , which is actually anti-porn!

It is estimated that there are 4.2 million porn Web sites — 12 percent of the total amount of sites — allowing access to 72 million worldwide visitors monthly. One-quarter of total daily search engine requests, or 68 million, are for pornographic material, where 40 million Americans are regular visitors.

Chatsworth, California produces 85% of the world’s adult content. All of the top female talent agencies are located in or with in the Chatsworth local radius. Female performers are flown or fly to Chatsworth to work in the adult industry. All of the world’s top male talents live or travel to Chatsworth California for work. Almost every major and minor adult DVD Company is in the local Chatsworth radius.

The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $9–$13 billion in gross revenues annually. An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers.

By legitimate I just meant non-porn...lack of better terminology. All these "estimates" are simply speculation since, as I said, no actual financial figures are released. And an "anti-porn" website making these estimates could mean they want to overstate the revenues for their own purposes-like fundraising for example (there has to BE a problem so that they have a "reason" to exist and raise money). Which is exactly what they are:

From their website: Pink Cross Foundation is a faith-based IRS approved 501(c)(3) public charity dedicated to reaching out to adult industry

So $13B rev/11k films = $1.18M/film. And 200 producers divvying up $13B/yr leaves $65m/producer/yr. Hmmm...

So with all that loot floating around, what's the problem with free tube sites?

[acouplenyc]

our thoughts:

"People often justify piracy by saying they are stealing from the rich, but they are, in fact, making it more difficult for anyone but the very rich to produce anything." - Gawker Comment

[VictoriaVeil]

our thoughts:

"People often justify piracy by saying they are stealing from the rich, but they are, in fact, making it more difficult for anyone but the very rich to produce anything." - Gawker Comment

Well said er well quoted lol! Its a matter of revenue going to the proper place.. the smaller the producer the greater effect it has on the bottom line of the particular company..

by the logic of dishwasher soap being a real company versus porn ( and they are both real)-- say a competitor pirates say dove soaps formula to make dishwasher soap and then shared it with the world... how long would it would be before people stopped buying Dove soap?

[acouplenyc]

Well said er well quoted lol! Its a matter of revenue going to the proper place.. the smaller the producer the greater effect it has on the bottom line of the particular company..

by the logic of dishwasher soap being a real company versus porn ( and they are both real)-- say a competitor pirates say dove soaps formula to make dishwasher soap and then shared it with the world... how long would it would be before people stopped buying Dove soap?

exactly. it applies across the board. the technorati loves to shout from the mountain tops about how egalitarian they are, but the truth is they just want stuff for free. did you see the below article on Gawker/Gizmodo?

http://gawker.com/5977163/hands-on-w...tag=megaupload

[VictoriaVeil]

I hadnt seen that... (oof.)

[tvkim]

Zzzzz. I've heard this for the past few years yet we've just had an awesome year with good growth. Shitty paysites, poorly run businesses and lazy webmasters have had their day. Companies who continue to please their customers, to change with the times, to fight piracy of their content and to produce quality content can still flourish. Which is why Grooby is shooting more scenes a month than ever before.

I am sure that Grooby sites do very well, but if the independents are making so much from pay-sites, do you see them doing webcam shows for such low rates?

Makes me think that they must be finding it very hard to make ends meet.

[GroobySteven]

Steven who owns xxxxxxxxxxxxx- be I've dmca'd them several times and they ignore me

email me

[Prospero]

Praise for free sites like the AVN things - and awards -with the resulting upsurge in traffic to them must surely jeopardise some of the sites we all love so well, like this one.