London has a Labour Mayor, not an Islamic Mayor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
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London has a Labour Mayor, not an Islamic Mayor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
That is not the explanation he gives:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/wo...ages.html?_r=0
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport
He states he is against 'body shaming' ads that give young girls unrealistic expectations about women's bodies.
It would be even more ridiculous for a liberal city like London to start banning any ads because people are wearing bathing suits. I don't know much about London , but I doubt people using public transportation are that prudish. What would be next?
But as I've stated before, I would be in disagreement for either reason if our mayor did that in NYC ...and I don't think women need that type of intervention by the government either...what's next , bubble wrap everyone and only play soothing music over loudspeakers?
I do not live in London so some of the detail escapes me but I agree that 'body shaming' ads should be banned from London Transport buses and trains, it is not as if the companies selling their gear cannot advertise it elsewhere in London. The UK and London in particular already has a high reputation for the quality of its advertising, it cannot be beyond those marketing genii to produce material that does cause offence.
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Originally Posted by bruce_willy
Idiocy.
The oldest and most established Muslim community in the U.S. is in Dearborn, Michigan and not ONE Muslim American from there has ever committed any kind of radicalized attack against U.S. citizens.
And those warning signs were attitudes and beliefs...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
The Mayor of London is MuslimQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_KhanQuote:
he city's first ethnic minority mayor, and the first Muslim to become mayor of a major Western capital
It's only a matter of time, and it will be a "2nd generation" Muslim that carries out an attack, like Ft. Hood, Boston Bombers, Paris, Orlando etc.
For a community <2% of the American population, they commit terrorism at a very high-rate.
But we shouldn't talk about, it'll just drive even more Muslims to become terrorists, right?
Regardless, Islam has no place in Western societies, and it shouldn't have any place on this Earth. Fuck that religion and the people who follow such a backwards, savage religion.
All religions are backwards and savage, they all have extremists. No religion should have place in any society.
Im pretty sure more Americans are killed by other Americans than by Muslims. Yes the extremists are the current "bad guys" but if the entire group of followers, wanted you dead, you'd be dead already.
I was in Orlando when this happened...All I can really say is that a lot of people came together to help and that was beautiful.
The thing that pisses me off is hearing all the signs that were prevalent but ignored by so many,and how LOUD the voices were (just out and about during my vacation) AGAINST the victims of this...I got in several arguments the day after and in subsequent days...even with my own friends...(they're not friends anymore). It's sad that there can be a double standard so VILE where it's ok for me to have the lifestyle I do,but when something like this happens they immediately victim shame and then turn and say "Oh but you're fine,you've only ever dated real girls...you've never touched one of them." It makes me mad that we still can't just see people,there has to be arbitrary labels for everything. Maybe it's because I'm one of the ones with a label (Mentally Ill)...maybe it's because of friends here and on other sites,or maybe,just maybe,it's because of all of that...and because no one's picture should be painted for them by someone who feels nothing but prejudice...
I don't know if I made any point...I don't know if I even made sense to anyone...Remember...I'm "Mentally Ill"....not "Chuck Adams" or "Chaos"....to most of the world.....I'll just be over here,swept under the rug with every other group they ignore until it's convenient or attack worthy...sigh. They keep telling me it gets worse before it gets better....I've seen a HELL of a lot of worse...and almost ZERO better...
Indeed, but he is not an 'Islamic' Mayor as he represents the Labour Party not some Islamic party. Nobody ever said Mrs Thatcher was a feminist Prime Minister even though she was a woman. Anne Hidalgo is the Socialist Mayor of Paris, not the Gay Mayor of Paris.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Terrorism is a relative term.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc_guy_75
Every time this country goes on a pointless military excursion in the Middle East, the civilians of the country we are bombing must see the U.S. military as alpha terrorists.
As for 2nd generation Muslims, we have 2nd and 3rd generations already here who never have committed a single terrorist attack.
If all Muslims were potential terrorists, this country would be burning down.
It's no different than blaming Christianity for the idiots who bomb abortion clinics, except no one ever puts the blame at the feet of Christianity.
However every psycho who bombs an abortion clinic deeply believes they are following the dictates of their religious beliefs.
You can't allow fanatics to define the totality of an entire faith.
Exactly. Thank you.Quote:
It's no different than blaming Christianity for the idiots who bomb abortion clinics, except no one ever puts the blame at the feet of Christianity.
However every psycho who bombs an abortion clinic deeply believes they are following the dictates of their religious beliefs.
You can't allow fanatics to define the totality of an entire faith.
Neither do we expect every Christian to know who the fanatics are and warn us of them. We do expect everyone to denounce the murder of innocent doctors and innocent club goers. Unfortunately that is not the case. Just Google Pastor Steven Anderson or Pastor Roger Jiminez. Both good Christian pastors are happy to applaud the murder of what they can only see as forty-nine pedophiles.
It does no good to demonize Jews, Christians nor Muslims. It does no good to demonize any religion. We live in a nation that is pledged to remain neutral with respect to religious belief and protect the religious practices of all. We have no religious tests, nor should we have.
Omar Mateen was born a U.S. citizen. Just like Donald Trump, neither of his parents were born citizens. If Omar is Afghani, then Donald is German. For years Omar has been plagued with questions about sexual orientation. He's been visiting the Pulse off and on for years. He used a gay dating app. My guess is his father's homophobia, and the homophobic thrust of Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious texts twisted him against himself. He was a self-hating, homophobic gay man. His grasp of Islamist radicalism was pretty pathetic. He seems to have had no idea of the distinctions between Sunni and Shia. He praised ISIS and Hezbollah which are of course sworn enemies of one another. One suspects the when he credited ISIS for his murders it was mere chance. He might've just as easily credited the Taliban, Al Qaeda or Hezbollah. He said what came into his head. Yes this was terrorism, but it was first and foremost a hate crime against Latinos and Gays. Stirring up hatred for Muslims is just so far wide of the mark it would be laughable were it not so sickening. We might ask ourselves, "Where - in this country - is the hatred of gays and Latinos coming from? Where is it loudest?" It's not primarily coming from the Muslim community, which remains, out of fear, relatively quiet on almost all issues.
We are told again and again that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. There were goods guys with guns at the Pulse. It took them three hours to put an end to the horror. We might ask ourselves, "Why do we let bad guys buy guns in the first place?"
That's the problem, init.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
We don't let bad guys buy guns, we let any guys buy guns.
('we' as in you...No fucker trust Brits to own guns...The Powers That Be know how fucked up we are)!!!
I'm sorry children, it's time for an adult to say "'NO"!
Personal beliefs are often times, the inspiration for laws for those that have the power to establish them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
There is simply no indication that he has any intention to do so. Just stop with the dog whistle already. Sadiq Khan is a human rights lawyer, a feminist and a supporter of gay rights. He flew the rainbow flag over City Hall for God's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/17...rom-city-hall/
I hope to see you defend Christian mayors in the same way....Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Except that Adam Lanza didn't buy his guns? An Ar-15 uses a NATO approved round. It is no more dangerous than a fucking 9mm, or a 12 gauge. Get the fuck over yourself.
ANY GUN can nearly wipe out a school of unarmed and defenseless CHILDREN. IF ONE of those teachers had been armed, it would have been another story. Stop listening to the media on how "dangerous" and powerful the AR-15 is. All those fucktards are the furthest thing from being knowledgeable about firearms and ammo.
We "Americans" do no have a perversion with firearms. We have a right to them, paid for in blood by thousands of men who gave their lives to make this country.
If you don't like it, go to fucking China where a man just killed 29 people with a KNIFE.
The knife incident to which you refer happen two years ago in a Chinese train station. Twenty-nine people were killed by ten men armed with long knives. Not much need to own a long knife either. It’s not like people hunt bear with them. But as long as anyone can buy a Sig Sauer MCX, why would they bother with a long knife. Think how many kids ten guys can mow down with MCX’s. Awesome, right? In Newtown, twenty children were killed by a single teenager with an array of firearms. The same day as the Newtown incident, a man in Chenpeng Village stabbed twenty-three school children. None of them died.
Your argument is essentially, if one mentally troubled mass murderer didn’t buy his weapon ('cause his Mom did, even though she knew her son was unstable), we should just go ahead and sell military style assault weapons to everybody who wants one. Nobody gave their life to preserve that bizarre interpretation of the Second Amendment. Sane people will continue to lobby to limit the sell of these weapons. If you don’t like it, you can shoot us. It will only strengthen our argument.
BTW, if your gun dealer wants you to pay for his merchandise in blood, I’d advise you to make your purchase at a different establishment.
Be serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by here4dafun
The AR-15 is a mock up of the M-16, a semiautomatic weapon that can be easily modified to fire automatically.
Saying it fires a NATO approved round as if that affects the lethal potential of the cartridge is laughable.
The muzzle velocity of an AR-15 is nearly 3x greater than a 9mm glock, which makes the cartridge fired from an AR15 that much more deadly.
You wanna fire a weapon designed for the battlefield?? Go join the military.
The AR-15 would have been outlawed under the previous assault weapons ban, rightly so.
Your chances of surviving being shot by a 9mm handgun are several degrees greater than if you're shot by a .223 round from an AR15.
You don't mitigate the threat of firearms in the hands of deranged shooters by making sure more people have guns.
All you're really doing is increasing the likelihood of collateral damage.
Look at our allies and their view on a well armed civilian populace, then look at the United States.
We do indeed have an abnormal 'connection' to firearms, to the point where many gun enthusiasts become collectors and have more guns than they personally need.
Adam Lanza needed his MOTHER to buy his AR15 because he couldn't pass a background check.
Stop with this piss poor argument that if gun regulations can't stop EVERY single mass shooting, we're better off with no gun regulation at all.
A gun is not a vital appendage for day to day survival.
Imagine how you would feel about someone who never left the house without a machete in the trunk of his car and another sitting under the driver's seat, all for 'protection'.
Most of us IMO would think that individual has some emotional issues and extreme social anxiety.
I don't know when it happened but several generations of men in this country see their masculinity directly linked to their ability to own guns.
This needs to stop.
Men need to be able to validate their existence beyond their ability to efficiently end the life of another human being.
That's not freedom.
It's sociopathic.
As for your last phony fact, it was 10(!!) knife wielding attackers who killed 29 train passengers in China 2 years ago, not one killer.
Huge difference.
But why let facts get in the way when you're defending your right to own assault weapons.
It's like talking to a brick wall.
While there are several million Muslims already in the US, there's no point in allowing any additional Muslims to settle here, the cultural differences create risks that are simply too great.
Example: I live in California, and I don't know of any immigrant group that clings to their native garb (like hijabs) as Muslims. If they wanted to fit in, they would dress like the natives. If they wanted to fit in, the would become fully secular, like most educated people in the US and Western Europe. If they wanted to fit in, they wouldn't send their kids (in such high numbers) to religious schools.
He need to further cut our ties with the Middle East, Arab Countries, and Muslims countries in general. Westerners shouldn;t travel to the Middle East, and Middle-Easterns shouldn't travel to the West.
Simply, we shouldn't be in contact with people who belong to such a barbaric/savage/backwards religion, and we sure as hell shouldn't allow them to live among us.
He need to further cut our ties with the Middle East, Arab Countries, and Muslims countries in general. Westerners shouldn;t travel to the Middle East, and Middle-Easterns shouldn't travel to the West.
Osama bin Laden's dream lives on...
If his dream was for Westerners to be aware of the cultural divide between the West and Muslims, its mission accomplished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
You obviously haven't been to the city of Artesia, where a lot of folks from India do business. Funny how many of them still wear their traditional dress and aren't Muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc_guy_75
And if a Catholic nun can be covered up (at her discretion), why can't Muslims?
It's amazing how last week we were mourning Muhammad Ali, a devout Muslim, and now we're back to bashing them again. America!
I do applaud Mayor Buddy Dyer for setting up the OneOrlando fund and accepting contributions to it from the Council on American Islamic Relations. He did it as the Democratic Mayor of Orlando, but if you wish, it is also an act commensurate with his Christian faith just as the contribution from CAIR is a humane act commensurate with the Islamic faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
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Originally Posted by Ben in LA
I take it you've never seen a woman covered by full Hijab in a shopping mall while her husband wears jeans and a t-shirt? I agree that any religious based shame of women is stupid but to equate the covering of catholic nuns to the insane nature of the Islamic dress code for women is a wee bit regressive.
Lots of stuff in this thread to comment on.
(if some of this sounds loopy - I Just had an endoscopy done as routine procedure -and I'm still coming down from the drugs)
There is nothing wrong with weapons regulation.
I would never, ever be for getting rid of all guns, this is a rather large country and guns are an absolute necessity in some areas of the country for survival. Guns are also a necessity in some lines of work and people in need of protection, etc...but to be able to buy an assault rifle just because people think they are cool is ludicrous. If people want the absolute freedom to own these, then they are going to have to be willing to put up with some draconian practices in the future such as: all schools, clubs, malls,movie theaters, large office buildings...anywhere masses of people congregate will have magnetometers and a well trained and armed security staff.
The more powerful weapons you allow your citizens to own, the more powerful the weapons your policing organizations are going to need to carry.
I simply don't see the personal argument for owning one of them. Personally I know quite a few gun collectors. I can never get a realistic response from them as to why they need some of their high powered, over the top weapons, other than.."because the constitution allows it". But often they just come across as the type of collectors that cross the line into the hoarding category...and people like that can never be rationally talked out of a 'collection'.
But you can't use the Constitution to vociferously argue the right to have any gun you're jonesing to own, but then disregard the Constitution when it comes to freedom of religion.That's hypocritical.
I own and sometimes carry. But nothing over the top (there's no bears roaming the streets of NYC)..and neverwhen I'm going out to drink.
..and there are plenty of religions that have been allowed to exist in the USA that still wear untraditional western garb ...unless the Jewish Orthodox, Amish, Mennonites, etc. are a figment of my imagination.
You don't have to like them, you shouldn't ever cater to them at the expense of your own laws...but you do have to allow them.
But the State Dept. also needs to be diligent in reenforcing tight standards , background checks, etc....so do all our bodies of law enforcement. They need to be able to do their jobs without being handcuffed by any ideological administrators, who may unintentionally grant people untouchable status based on 'imaginary' constitutional rights or false perceptions of racism. That's just common sense to protect the well being of the nations populace.
On a separate note...I never understand the Jesus and Guns crowd. I see their posts on Facebook all the time . Do Christians honestly believe that Jesus Christ would condone owning an assault rifle? Jesus didn't condone people killing each other. What are those people protecting themselves against? If you lead a good Christian life, then this mortal shell you live in now doesn't need protection because you are headed for eternal life.
Unless of course they don't really believe all that and only use the scriptures to lend cover to their own petty, hateful judgements of others.
and for the record, I don't follow any particular religion,...but at the very least, they do seem to be used quite often to support acts of extreme Misoginy.
...there ya go....that's the crux of the matter right thereQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
....in fact, what are the very first words of the 2nd amendment?....A well regulated militia...
....of course not. This is what enrages me about the fanatics and the NRA ...nobody is plotting to come and take away all your gunsQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
...that's b/c they don't really NEED them. I don't hunt and have never owned a gun, but I know a great many friends and family who do and none of them own any military style weaponry. Anyone who needs an AK-47 to kill Daffy or Bullwinkle or Smokie is one damn lousy sportsman as far as I'm concerned....and I've taken a load of abuse over the years from 2nd amendment zealots for pointing that out. Sorry, I just don't get itQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
...yeah, good luck w/ that. Common sense is one glaring thing that is sadly lacking these days among our elected Congressional legislatorsQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
....not exactly....the brick wall has more common senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
Um...maybe that's her choice? That's why I put in parenthesis "AT HER DISCRETION".Quote:
Originally Posted by peacheater
As one who has Muslims as friends AND family, not everyone follows every rule. Many actually DO assimilate into western culture...just as some Catholic nuns do. I went to a Catholic school from K-12; by the time I was in the eight grade, many of the nuns were basically wearing just business suits with their hair uncovered; a couple of the older ones still wore the traditional outfit.
As I stated over on Facebook, Trump called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on".
So why can't we U.S. citizens call for a "total and complete shutdown of assault weapons sales in the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on"? Because we obviously have NOT figured it out. Not after Sandy Hook. Not after Aurora. And damn sure not after Orlando.
...as well as high capacity magazines, and also call for closing all the sales loopholes and stringent enforcement of background checks. Fact is, we DO call , as poll after poll has shown. The majority of Americans, including a majority of NRA members are in favor of these measures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
....sad thing is...they HAVE figured out what's going on....what's going on is the NRA lobbyists, along with the arms dealers and weapons manufacturers are more than happy to line the pockets of Congress with obscene amounts of cash for precisely NOT enacting any of these common sense safety measures which might cut into their bottom lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
....and, as my buddy Sergio likes to say...that's what's up
Once again, attitudes and beliefs are the issue. For example:
Jim Crow and Segregation laws were repealed once attitudes and beliefs changed. There will always being killings (case in point, the knife death of the French police officer) until attitudes and beliefs are changed.
You obviously haven't been to the city of Artesia, where a lot of folks from India do business. Funny how many of them still wear their traditional dress and aren't Muslim.
If random Hindus travel and settle 10k miles away, while wearing their native garb, and attempting to live in the US, they can go fuck themselves. They should adapt to their adopted culture, wherever that may be.
And if a Catholic nun can be covered up (at her discretion), why can't Muslims?
When was the last time you saw a nun wearing a habit? Likely it was before the Catholic molestation scandal, no? Personally, I haven't seen a nun wearing a habit in many years. The nuns know its best to blend in.
It's amazing how last week we were mourning Muhammad Ali, a devout Muslim, and now we're back to bashing them again. America!
It makes little sense for black Americans to belong to a religion (Christianity) imposed upon their ancestors by slave masters. Following Islam is a big "fuck you" to Western culture, and you can't blame a member of the undereducated minority (from the poorest section of Louisville, KY) from choosing that path. Cassius Clay had the equivalent of an 8th grade education at best.
In summary, if you can't (or refuse) to adapt to Western culture, please leave. If you refuse, the end awaits.
Attitudes and beliefs can indeed change but in a democratic society those changes often need to be protected, for the debate that lay behind the change and the achievemets not to end. In the US, Jim Crow continues to smear and to segregate but in different ways -per head of population in the US, more Black Americans than any other citizens are denied their freedom because they are in prison; and consider millions of Black Americans shut out of the democratic process because they are denied the right to register to vote. Then add in the attempt to roll back many of the gains in civil liberty that Americans believed they had secured as a consequence of the Civil Rights movement, and you may realise that every generation needs to maintain its faith in its achievements, or risk losing them to those who were and still are opposed to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Good luck with working out what's going on when NRA and their Congressional stooges have blocked research into the issue, obviously because they are afraid of what it's likely to conclude http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...nap-story.html
3 mass murders in a row, thanks to the demented Religion called Islam.
Congratulations.
You are quoting and responding to Ben_in_La's earlier post but need to learn how to use the quote functions. Meanwhile-Quote:
Originally Posted by dc_guy_75
I wonder how many people left the UK to live in the Empire in India but when they settled in never wore a sari or sandals; just as the Pilgrim Fathers who arrived in America did not swap their top hats and tailored coats for feathered head-dresses and animal hide.
It is brave man, or a foolish man who offers Hung Angels his judgements based on the way people dress...
peace and justice in Orlando. Blessing for all the affected families.
"Choice"? Or an example of brainwashing and 1984 style conformity to an intolerant ideology that condones the beating of women if they do not adhere to the doctrine...or should I call it the "culture"? Fuck culture, and fuck religious tolerance when it buries its head in the sand on the issue of backward ideologies.
Although I agree that the US obsession with guns is a part of the problem. There was a bill recently vetoed (by the GOP of course) to prevent anyone red flagged as a suspected terrorist or on the no-fly list from being able to legally buy weapons. The gun nuts would rather let a suspected potential Islamic terrorist have access to guns than let the government try and prevent guns getting into the hands of nutcases. Which one can only conclude is a case of NRA members secretly knowing they are crazy. And probably deep in the closet
Exactly. When they INVADED those countries, they didn't assimilate to the natives' culture; they forced their own on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Same when current "expacts" from western countries move elsewhere. They tend to keep many of these their own norms and such.
And the nuns at the Catholic church down the street from my house still wear the habit. Guess they're still old-school.
Also his name was MUHAMMAD ALI. He might have had an "eighth grade education at best", but he was still smarter than many of the people who attempted to bring him down.
If you wander through Lancaster or York Counties in Pennsylvania (or some places in rural Ohio, Illinois and elsewhere) you will find men, women and children dressed in Amish garb. The women wear long black (or darkly colored dresses and white bonnets even in the hot summer months. The men wear long black pants and beards. You want them to fuck themselves because they don't blend in and don't care to blend in? How about the Hasidic Jews in New York? I grew up not blending and not fitting in. Okay, I might fuck myself, but I'm not leaving. You can go fuck yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc_guy_75
All of us - citizens and immigrants, religious or not - are obligated to respect one another and obey the laws of the land. We do not kick people out based on bigoted presumptions of what they might do because they don't blend in.