Pulse Nightclub in Orlando Attack

[xuto]

Saddened at the many who lost loved ones.

[MrFanti]

Guns are not the problem - attitudes are.
How long will it be before London's Islamic Mayor institutes some type of an anti-LGBT law?
-> http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/lo...dvertisements/

[here4dafun]

Australia confiscates guns http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback Something to think about.

They confiscated firearms years ago... now only criminals have them. Gun crimes might have gone down, but violent crimes did not. Australia and Britain have a weird way of construing their "crime rates" to hide the increase in knife/etc related violent crimes. Guns are not the issue. The shooter passed multiple background checks. The no-fly/terrorist watch list is an unconstitutional list, it requires NO due-process and ANYBODY, even a child can end up on that list. The club was a gun-free zone, just like the last 3+ shootings across the nation.

More laws don't, and won't do anything. It's truly saddening what happened, but to parade on the bodies of those who died that night in an effort to pass more "gun control" is sickening, and a slap in the face to those who died.

[giovanni_hotel]

They confiscated firearms years ago... now only criminals have them. Gun crimes might have gone down, but violent crimes did not. Australia and Britain have a weird way of construing their "crime rates" to hide the increase in knife/etc related violent crimes. Guns are not the issue. The shooter passed multiple background checks. The no-fly/terrorist watch list is an unconstitutional list, it requires NO due-process and ANYBODY, even a child can end up on that list. The club was a gun-free zone, just like the last 3+ shootings across the nation.

More laws don't, and won't do anything. It's truly saddening what happened, but to parade on the bodies of those who died that night in an effort to pass more "gun control" is sickening, and a slap in the face to those who died.

There is no PERFECT solution.

But we sure can do a helluva lot better.

We need to reinstate the assault weapons ban enacted under Bill Clinton.
Civilians do not need this kind of firepower for personal use.

The AR-15 nearly wiped out an entire elementary school in Connecticut and critically wounded or murdered over 100 clubgoers in less than 5 minutes in Orlando.

The guns ARE the problem.

I hate with a passion whenever pro gun rights activists point to any and all exceptions as justification to do nothing.
The asshole in Orlando may not have been caught with background checks, but Cho at Va Tech and Adam Lanza would have.

The status quo simply is not satisfactory.
Americans have a perverse fetishization of firearms.


You want a gun for personal protection???
Buy a 9mm and keep it moving.

[MrFanti]

The guns ARE the problem.

No, attitudes and beliefs are the problem.
A French police officer was stabbed to death by a Muslim terrorist.

The French police officer died because of an attitude and belief - not because of the knife.

[fred41]

Guns are not the problem - attitudes are.
How long will it be before London's Islamic Mayor institutes some type of an anti-LGBT law?
-> http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/lo...dvertisements/

I only know about Sadiq Khan from what I've read in papers and on the internet...and from what I've read, I doubt that was the intent of the ban.
...but his 'body shaming' explanation still reeks of nanny state paternalism...

[javier81]

Do people not realize that AR-15s and their variants were legal to own and buy under the Brady bill? So, reinstate what? Magazine capacity limitations and barrel lengths of 16" or more?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

The weapons AND the attitude are the problem.
A gun was used in that club, it could have very well been this mentally ill fucker driving a semi through the front doors, or planting c4 in the ventilation room, a few cans of gasoline properly placed with a timer, or a pressure cooker like those idiots used in the Boston Marathon incident.
We do need better gun laws, but let's not act like guns are the main reason for this, Mateen was a twisted individual, his wife is a twisted individual, and his father is a nutjob that loves the taliban.......
The feds had this weirdo on their watch list and didn't watch him close enough (which makes you wonder how many weirdos in Orlando are on the FBI watchlist)
Facebook deleted a post he uploaded right before he went on this rampage (guess that rules out the government coercing with Fb theory)
my point is there were several warning signs and people didn't react to them, and this is the brutal end result

[Stavros]

I only know about Sadiq Khan from what I've read in papers and on the internet...and from what I've read, I doubt that was the intent of the ban.
...but his 'body shaming' explanation still reeks of nanny state paternalism...

Or it could reflect the more important component of public opinion which does not want to see images of semi-naked women on London Transport buses and trains...there are many ways of advertising a product, you don't need to undress a woman to do it.

[Stavros]

You are now being faced with a stark choice, no running away from this.
Islam is not compatible with the liberal western society.
If you want to keep the advances that have been made for the LGBT community then the Islamics need to stay in their own countries.

So Muhamamd Ali was not 'the Greatest' after all, and should really have gone to live in Africa?