17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by zulusierra

I am against all state sponsored killing of it's citizens. I do not see execution as a legitimate use of force by the government.

I'm not sure removing protection from an individual (as in labeling them a legal "outlaw") is the same, philosophically speaking.

I haven't given it a huge amount of thought, though. Just found it an interesting concept.

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On that much we are entirely in agreement. Good man.

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Originally Posted by AmyDaly

That actually isn't true. He was asked to do it per statements of other residents of that community. I also don't see anything wrong with following and reporting suspicious activity. Especially since there was a huge string of break ins and robbery in the community. I've followed and reported drunk drivers before. They even tell us to report drunk drivers. There is no way to tell they are drunk other than suspicious driving actions. Am I a vigilante reporting drunk drivers? What if some drunk sees me reporting them and decides to hit me with their car? Guess its my fault for trying to do the right thing. S

ame thing goes with this. Some large kid you've ever seen before walking in the rain looking around at all the apartments. There is no evidence that says he chased him or initiated any contact. Only evidence that he was attacked. You can just as easily say trayvon turned around and approached zimmerman from behind, which is what is looking like what happened from all the actual evidence coming out.

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I feel like you're being willfully ignorant Amy. All the circumstantial evidence shows that Zimmerman got out on foot and CHASED after Trayvon. Listen to the entirety of Zimmerman's 911 call, when he says, 'he's (Trayvon) is running!'. At this point Zimmerman gets out of car on foot and chases after this kid.

This wasn't a LARGE kid. He's a stick.
http://i.imgur.com/5k9hg.jpg


Here's a mock diagram of the entire confrontation. Show me where Trayvon had the opportunity or time to double back and ambush Zimmerman?? That's bullshit. Again, from the diagram notice for how long Zimmerman was following Trayvon per the cell phone conversation with Martin's gf before he runs and psycho Zimmerman CHASES AFTER HIM.
What normal human being allows themselves to be stalked, chased, then respond in a calm manner after dark when an out of breath stranger starts questioning you??

Again, flip the colors, and Trayvon is an unarmed white kid named Terry and George is a self appointed Black neighborhood watch captain packing a concealed 9 mm who chases after this white kid after following him for three blocks in his SUV, claims the unarmed white kid carrying iced tea and skittles attacked him and was killed in self defense.
Would you still be buying this bullshit story from Zimmerman then.

Some of you need to try a little harder to be 'objective', because I would STILL be saying that white kid was murdered in cold blood by a psycho with a gun.


http://viewfromll2.files.wordpress.c...mmermanmap.png

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Again, flip the colors, and Trayvon is an unarmed white kid named Terry and George is a self appointed Black neighborhood watch captain...this white kid ...white kid....

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I don't personally think that cultural heritage is relevant in this case, but if we are going to label people let's be accurate.

Zimmerman is a Latino with a Jewish last name.

What is your definition of what constitutes "whiteness" and "blackness"?

Melanin content?

Ancestry?

Cultural traditions?

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Originally Posted by zulusierra

I don't personally think that cultural heritage is relevant in this case, but if we are going to label people let's be accurate.

Zimmerman is a Latino with a Jewish last name.

What is your definition of what constitutes "whiteness" and "blackness"?

Melanin content?

Ancestry?

Cultural traditions?

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White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whatever. I think most are either consciously or unconsciously identifying with Zimmerman's whiteness. There are White latinos, I'm talking race primarily.

Put it this way, I doubt Zimmerman sees himself as hispanic, but that's pure speculation on my part.
I doubt Jimenez Garcia with a heavy Spanish accent would be the cause celeb on Faux News and other right wing news media outlets.

Or maybe it's vogue now in our society to smoke unarmed Black male teens in cold blood because statistically, you know, he's going to be a criminal at some point in the near future.smdh

Maybe the right wing and gun nuts are more obsessed with the victim and the manner used to kill him, and less about the shooter.

Exactly now I ask, how the hell did Trayvon and Zimmerman get from #3 to #5 as I have shown in my map also. Tray ran as Zimmerman said, and in order for Zimmerman to have shot Tray, Zimmerman had to go after him. Now Zimmerman claims he was attached on his left side from the back by Tray and Tray slammed his head on the concrete, that's a lie!!! How the hell they end up a 100 feet inside the complex? That doesn't add up, Zimmerman is lying. Zimmerman went after Tray, confronted Tray and as it was told Tray put on his hoodie to hide his identity as Zimmerman asked him "WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE". How the hell do you talk like that to someone? See Zimmerman was feeling real gilly because he had a gun and he wanted a reason what he didn't know was Trayvon was going to bust his ass fist to fist, that punk bitch Zimmerman shot him and it was Zimmerman's fault this shit went down. I don't understand why peeps don't see it for what it is.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I feel like you're being willfully ignorant Amy. All the circumstantial evidence shows that Zimmerman got out on foot and CHASED after Trayvon. Listen to the entirety of Zimmerman's 911 call, when he says, 'he's (Trayvon) is running!'. At this point Zimmerman gets out of car on foot and chases after this kid.

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WRong, The word Zimmerman is either Polish or German, it is not of the Hebrew Israelite people, later named Jews, there are no "J's" in Hebrew, I studied those Semitic languages and Hamitic Languages also. The Caucasians you see in Israel are not the real Hebrews, they are convert Jews, and the Hebrews are a bloodline so you really can't convert into a bloodline. What they have done as Kharzars is take on the culture, languages and traditions along with the holy book and called it now their own. Trust me I have studied this and know the word Zimmerman is not a Jewish name. You couldn't even make that in Hebrew!!! the name Israel is really Y'srael, and Jesus real name in Hebrew is Ye'shua and Aramaic Issa and Arabic Isa, there are no J letters in the Hebrew nor Aramaic alphabet!!! The "J" letter wasn't introduced into the English alphabet until 1565, did you know that?

Now Zimmerman's mother is Afro Peruvian, meaning she has strong roots from Africa, so Zimmerman has African blood in his veins and I don't use the term black, it's a misnomer, the darkest person on this planet is not even black, that term was giving to us by Caucasians of the United States to classify us on a status, how do I know? because I worked in the legal system for years, and just check out your job application of why they ask WHAT RACE YOU ARE! Certain class of people get better benefits than others, now you can volunteer to put if you are so called black. It's about status because in your interview you're going be seen by the interviewer anyway so what's the purpose of putting down "I'M SO CALLED BLACK"? As I said before STATUS CLASSIFICATION IDENTITY PROCESSING.

So Zimmerman is Part Caucasian-Spaniard (White Hispanic) and African descent, and his mother happen to speak Spanish because of the Caucasian Spaniards that had those slaves and raped a lot of African people. The reason he looks the way he does is because he is the product of a mixture. To say he is just Hispanic is just absurd!!!

Melanin has nothing to do with white or black, Melanin is a protection screen from the UV rays that is in AFricans who where the first on this planet.

The term white is an identity status made up by Caucasians in the 1900's, before Caucasians came here they were called Christians!!! I have not see a Caucasian person ever in my life complexion the color of white, I mean like white snow!!!

So now you have the basis of these labels, just like all these got dam confusing labels they have for TGirls, like Trasexual Lesbian, like wtf, Transexual ain't enough? I can't even keep up with all that shit.

IN fact the cranium of the Africa, Asian and Caucasian are different in forensics, it is not the same. Also Melanin plays a big part, with out Melanin Caucasians have what is called recessive genes, this is why their pigment is pale for the lack of Melanin. with the lack of Melanin the body changes drastically, Dr. Francis Cress Welsing knows of this as the Albino stage.

I know my shit I have studied all this for years!!! and still studying so yeah, it's all have to do with Melanin, Ancestry, and the body. Cultural conditions Caucasians are definitely different than the African descent people.

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Originally Posted by zulusierra

I don't personally think that cultural heritage is relevant in this case, but if we are going to label people let's be accurate.

Zimmerman is a Latino with a Jewish last name.

What is your definition of what constitutes "whiteness" and "blackness"?

Melanin content?

Ancestry?

Cultural traditions?

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Exactly now I ask, how the hell did Trayvon and Zimmerman get from #3 to #5 as I have shown in my map also. Tray ran as Zimmerman said, and in order for Zimmerman to have shot Tray, Zimmerman had to go after him. Now Zimmerman claims he was attached on his left side from the back by Tray and Tray slammed his head on the concrete, that's a lie!!! How the hell they end up a 100 feet inside the complex? That doesn't add up, Zimmerman is lying. Zimmerman went after Tray, confronted Tray and as it was told Tray put on his hoodie to hide his identity as Zimmerman asked him "WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE". How the hell do you talk like that to someone? See Zimmerman was feeling real gilly because he had a gun and he wanted a reason what he didn't know was Trayvon was going to bust his ass fist to fist, that punk bitch Zimmerman shot him and it was Zimmerman's fault this shit went down. I don't understand why peeps don't see it for what it is.

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With respect, the part that's being left out is time. Not the fault of anybody here, since the media has done a horrible job of reporting. They have done a terrible job on the who-what-when-where-why. Especially on the 'when' part.

If one listens to the recorded calls, ZImmerman's call to 911 as well as all the calls from his neighbors, at least one of which includes the screaming/fighting and the shot, one gets a much better idea of the time involved. Trayvon's call with his gf was not recorded on audio. We know when it happened, but it wasn't recorded.

The partial truth is that Zimmerman did start running after Trayvon. The rest of that partial truth is that Zimmerman stopped running after him when the dispatcher said 'we don't need you to do that'. Listen to the entire call by Zimmerman. You can hear him out of breath when the 911 dispatcher asked if he was running after Trayvon, but you also hear he gets his breath back long before the end of the call. There is no reason to think he kept running after the dispatcher suggested/ordered him to stop.

Approximately 5 minutes passed between the time Zimmerman says he lost sight of Trayvon and the time of the shot. That's a lot of time. Trayvon's body was found only 70 yards/meters from his home. It makes Zimmerman's version of Trayvon backtracking on him very possible.

jamesedwards, if you listen to Zimmerman's call you can hear that Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon. He's on the phone with 911 for about 3 minutes after he lost sight of him. It wasn't the kind of 'hot pursuit' that some have tried to make it seem.

How are you Queens Guy?

Ok, 1. you said Tray's girlfriend wasn't recorded? Not true, The Martin's personal attorney has a phone log. Not an audio because it's a cell phone, but once the chip is looked into by computer forensics you are able to pull up everything from that chip. So there is a recording, here's the Proof

http://youtu.be/ah1V8phm1gw <<<< Youtube video with the Girlfriends records.

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Originally Posted by Queens Guy

With respect, the part that's being left out is time. Not the fault of anybody here, since the media has done a horrible job of reporting. They have done a terrible job on the who-what-when-where-why. Especially on the 'when' part.

If one listens to the recorded calls, ZImmerman's call to 911 as well as all the calls from his neighbors, at least one of which includes the screaming/fighting and the shot, one gets a much better idea of the time involved. Trayvon's call with his gf was not recorded on audio. We know when it happened, but it wasn't recorded.

The partial truth is that Zimmerman did start running after Trayvon. The rest of that partial truth is that Zimmerman stopped running after him when the dispatcher said 'we don't need you to do that'. Listen to the entire call by Zimmerman. You can hear him out of breath when the 911 dispatcher asked if he was running after Trayvon, but you also hear he gets his breath back long before the end of the call. There is no reason to think he kept running after the dispatcher suggested/ordered him to stop.

Approximately 5 minutes passed between the time Zimmerman says he lost sight of Trayvon and the time of the shot. That's a lot of time. Trayvon's body was found only 70 yards/meters from his home. It makes Zimmerman's version of Trayvon backtracking on him very possible.

jamesedwards, if you listen to Zimmerman's call you can hear that Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon. He's on the phone with 911 for about 3 minutes after he lost sight of him. It wasn't the kind of 'hot pursuit' that some have tried to make it seem.

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Queens Guy I have heard the tapes, over and over, I worked in the legal field for years, I know what's up, Zimmerman even knocked on someone's door when he went after Trayvon did you know that? Also there was a pop before the gunshot showing when Zimmerman and Trayvon got into the scuffle someone was standing outside at their door and when they started fighting the door slams then you hear the gun go off.

Now if you're telling me Trayvon doubled back, in my humble expression I can't buy that. Zimmerman got off the phone and he could of ran again, you wouldn't know and then caught up to Trayvon. Remember in order for Trayvon to double back to THE SUV AS ZIMMERMAN CLAIMS they would of ended up on the side walk outside of the short cut not where Tray was killed. Zimmerman said Trayvon came up behind him while he was at his SUV, that's the key, where was the Suv? On the street used to drive from the front gate of the complex, not the grassy area where Trayvon died.

If you tell me Tray was 70 yards from his house it makes no sense since he was scared to double back. I would take my chances getting home.

Now phone records show Tray was on the phone with his girlfriend, his girlfriend said Tray told her a man was following him, what should he do? That doesn't sound like a teen trying to double back he is trying to get away, she told him to walk he wanted to run, but Zimmerman had now caught up to him and she said she heard a man ask Tray "WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE" Did you hear her give testimony?

http://youtu.be/3jhes6BlFf8 <<<<< Youtube.

So is anyone listening to her statements? The phone logs prove to be accurate!!! So is she not a credible witness? If this is so, how did Zimmerman end up close to Tray if he stopped and went back to his Suv? Don't sound like Zimmerman was at his SUV but Trayvon was CORNERED by Zimmerman. News reporter "911 SAID NOT TO FOLLOW TRAYVON MARTIN,-- 'HE DID ANYWAY'..." So in reality Zimmerman went after Trayvon.

QueensGuy and remember, Zimmerman wanted so bad, he was compelled to catch someone, and I know you heard the tape, what did he say? "THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY", he wanted to catch Trayvon, he was the predator not Trayvon.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

The Caucasians you see in Israel are not the real Hebrews, they are convert Jews, and the Hebrews are a bloodline so you really can't convert into a bloodline.
The term white is an identity status made up by Caucasians in the 1900's, before Caucasians came here they were called Christians!!! I have not see a Caucasian person ever in my life complexion the color of white, I mean like white snow!!!

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So if I convert to Judaism and move to Israel you wouldn't consider me a Jew?

The way my Genetics professor explained it to us, "race" isn't a biological or scientific term. It's political.

Now certain groups of peoples have more statistically frequent allele patterns. That not "race" though.

Not once while earning my Bachelors degree in Biology did race come up.

The only time race was brought up in the curriculum was in Philosophy (more specifically political phil and phil of law).

That's called a clue.

As the father of a mixed race son (his mother is black) all this obsession with race sometimes bums me out despite my best efforts not to let others ignorance effect my mood.

I have to admit that if I was a black American I might find it easy to be bitter and resentful towards whites too, though. Historically speaking, the U.S. government has had a policy of treating large groups of people as somewhat less than human.

On the real, they need to make a new law where neighborhood watch people can not engage at all nor carry weapons of no kind, this shouldn't just be a rule, if it's a law they violate it they go to jail. Trayvon could be the first African descent person in the USA a law is made after. The Trayvon law. Hell they have one named after an animal (cat), the Buster law. This would solve a lot of future problems.

Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed




WPLG/CNN|Added on March 21, 2012Trayvon's girlfriend: the neighborhood watch captain accused of shooting Martin was following him, might have pushed him.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn

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you are welcome!

A Mother's Day Message From Trayvon's Mom: VIDEO

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/a-m...#ixzz1un9xiwfv

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A Mother's Day Message From Trayvon's Mom: VIDEO

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/a-m...#ixzz1un9xiwfv


Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-show-accident


Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif

A Mother's Day Message From Trayvon's Mom: VIDEO

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/a-m...#ixzz1un9xiwfv


Here's a Mother's Day message from Sabrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, made in partnership with "Second Chance on Shoot First" -- an organization which combats laws, such as Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, that encourage nervous gun owners to shoot in haste and repent at leisure.
Watch the video AFTER THE JUMP, and pay a visit to Second Chance on Shoot First, which allows American visitors to see where their states stand on Stand Your Ground, and provides links to the appropriate state webpages so visitors can tell their governments how they feel about it.



http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/a-m...#ixzz1un9xiwfv

Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite

Criminally Negligent Homicide





(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html



What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.



Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:



-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator



-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program



-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement




Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.





In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,



or the firing of the gun.



Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.



If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...







then he's guilty under the law

Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif Read more: http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/03/zi...#ixzz1unjLoUue

George Zimmerman Arrested! Father A Judge; Above The Law

April 11th, 2012 Update:
George Zimmerman was arrested Wednesday on a charge of second degree murder in the death of 17 year old Trayvon Martin. According to his attorney, a warrant for his arrest was declared and he is now in the custody of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
The Murder could have been prevented: More expected actions

The public is demanding in addition to his arrest, more severe investigative and disciplinary actions into the obvious laxity and complicity in the Florida police department. The extreme delay it took in bringing a most glaring criminal charge elucidates a deficit in department conduct.
<B>Late March, the Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte had said that so many people complained at the city commission meeting about Sanford officers, the city asked the Department of Justice to step in.

“I am now in the process of talking with the Department of Justice and instituting a mechanism whereby citizens that have concerns or complaints about the Sanford Police Department can have their concerns heard and investigated by an independent agency,” Bonaparte said.

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http://www.newsrescue.com/wp-content...12_BillLee.jpgSanford Police Chief Bill Lee Stepped down temporarily earlier. Bonaparte stands behind in image

Police criminal negligence?

There were obvious lapses in judgement and execution of police protocol favorable to this judge’s son that in the first place allowed this dangerous criminal with past records of violence against police, carry a concealed weapon, hunt his neighbors- which the police were well aware of- culminating in his- Zimmermans murder of Trayvon. And more severe abnormalities in the department that allowed his release from custody after the crime, even though ‘unnecessary man slaughter’ had been written on his folder.
Further, the declaration of Trayvon ‘missing’ for three days while his family searched for him, when the police had his personal information as is seen in the image above, from the day of the murder, raises the instance of ‘aiding and abetting and concealing’ murder within the department.
March 27th, 2012; Updated March 29th {Video of Zimmerman arriving at police precinct}
George Zimmerman Arrested Thrice! Father A Judge; Above The Law

NewsRescue- That George Zimmerman is yet eluding justice defies all logic and sets dangerous precedence in the United States- that individuals of all races with prior arrests for dangerous activity including violently resisting arrest- beating up the arresting officer- can posses a concealed weapon, in civilian clothes, advance toward anyone they deem suspicious and shoot dead that individual if he is combative or resistant to their advance.
George Zimmerman’s white father, Judge Robert J. Zimmerman as quoted below, described George as a ‘Spanish speaking minority’, painting him as neither Jewish, nor white. Well, being Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia must then be a religion and not a heritage, and being white must only be matrilineal as paternal contributions must not reflect, in his fathers point of view.
George Zimmerman is as Hispanic as Obama is White, after all, Obama’s mom is white, just like George’s mom is from Cuba, while Obama’s dad is black, just as Zimmerman’s dad is White. Perhaps Judge Robert Zimmerman suggests we apply the ‘one-drop’ rule.



<B>George Zimmerman clearly disobeyed police instructions before assassinating the teen. Here is exactly what the dispatcher said:

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

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Zimmerman: Yah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that.

But as we now know, Zimmerman’s history of police disobedience is not new, what is odd is the Police, government and main stream media reaction to this clearly dangerous precedent.
One of the most factual analysis’ of the case thus far can be read below:
http://www.newsrescue.com/wp-content...miner-logo.jpg
Bill Schmalfeldt
<B>CNN revealed a telling piece of information Friday that has been missed by many of the media outlets covering the slaying of 17-year old Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch captain on Feb. 26.

“The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading,” his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. “Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.”

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“George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever.” (Emphasis added.)

Might this explain why, when he was first taken to police headquarters on Feb. 26, the lead investigator wanted to bring charges against Zimmerman, saying he was unconvinced of the 28-year old’s description of events.
ABC News reports:
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The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

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But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

According to Think Progress, Wolfinger has since removed himself from the case.
<B>Was Wolfinger doing a favor for a retired judge? The blog Hinterland Gazette believes that may be the case.

It should be noted that George Zimmerman may have received favorable treatment from the police because of his family. ‎According to court records, his father is retired Supreme Court Magistrate Judge Robert Zimmerman and his mother Gladys Zimmerman was a court clerk. Connections in the legal community run deep and go far.

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Might this also explain the younger Zimmerman’s record that includes three “closed arrests”?
Related: NewsRescue-Zimmerman murder of US black teen Trayvon Martin in Florida finally gets attention


Read more: http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/03/zi...#ixzz1unjhtRpa




http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/03/zi...#axzz1uni1jbe4


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new evidence /witness zimmerman on top of trayvon martin

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn


prosecutor new evidence released in trayvon martin shooting death

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/15/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

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Originally Posted by natina

you are welcome!

A Mother's Day Message From Trayvon's Mom: VIDEO

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/a-m...#ixzz1un9xiwfv

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that makes it a fact!

its in evidence

Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-show-accident

Criminally Negligent Homicide





(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html



What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.



Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:



-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator



-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program



-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement




Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.





In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,



or the firing of the gun.



Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.

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I didn't know that. Can you post a link where I can see this?

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Again, Hebrew Israelites is a bloodline Zulu not a religion, the real Jew is the Falashas in Ethiopia and the ones that live on the out skirts in Israel who are Dark. Again you can't convert into a bloodline. Now if you convert you will be converting to the ways, the culture, the linguistics, dietary, purification, rituals etc. What I am saying is Judism is not really a religion, it's a bloodline. If you have no studies in this, you won't be able to understand, you will read what I say and see what I say but to really get it you may not, and you might.
Now my question to you is, if you so call convert to Judaism, why would you need to move to Israel? I mean you can visit there but to move doesn't make you a Jew. IN the USA we have been poorly taught history, especially African descent people, we were taught the Caucasian Eurocentric education and not our own, this is a fact, I know because I went to school, every thing is about George Washington who was a slave owner and a Mason of a secret society, Thomas Jeff and all these other people, but I'm not Caucasian, so.......

You get what I am saying?

BAMMMMMM YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD!!! You said:
"The way my Genetics professor explained it to us, "race" isn't a biological or scientific term. It's political."

Exactly that's what I said about the black and white terms it's about class and status which in turn is political. This is why these statuses are on job applications.

You must be in a different time then because when I did biology they went into the gene pool and all that and Melanin and Africa the people there etc. I feel nowadays they are dumbing down the youth more. You have access to more info yet the youth don't know nothing but XBox, Playstation and what's the next car Lil Wayne getting or who LeBron dunked on. Back in my day we didn't have access and we learned more. Biology taught us every complexion on earth comes from the African dark Melanin people, and the anatomy taught you about the body, that's where I learned that the aspects of Caucasians are totally different from that of an African person. Example, Africans have 9 ether hair, Caucasians have 6 ether hair, Africans have full noses and lips while Caucasians have thin ones. Africans eye color of the iris is mostly deep dark brown, Caucasians are green, grey, hazel, brown, light brown, and blue. Africans cranium is shaped different than the Caucasian and the nasal cavity also is different.

You said race bums you out, yet you keep using black this black that, etc. There are no black people on this earth we are not colors we are not a box of crayons, African descent people are not orange, blue, green, purple etc. We are complexions, from dark to light that's it. Colors are labels for THINGS we are not things we are human beings. So please never refer to me as a black man. If you do I will have to cut cha!!!
<::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx[]o LOL :dead:

ON a serious note, I don't use the term black, When Africans came here they were known as African slaves not black slaves, there is not such thing as a black American that sounds crazy when you analyze it. You what we do, European America throws out an idea we just sop it up without thinking and run with it. Our people went with Negro, colored, N***er, and all these terms. The people of Africa didn't call themselves black, the word doesn't exist in any of the Africans linguistics, also African people meanings and principles in their languages are totally different from Americas'.

OH and trust me I know they have treated African descent people less than human. They are still doing it. A lot of the young Caucasian people seem not to put up with what the US Govt has in their laws.

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So if I convert to Judaism and move to Israel you wouldn't consider me a Jew?

The way my Genetics professor explained it to us, "race" isn't a biological or scientific term. It's political.

Now certain groups of peoples have more statistically frequent allele patterns. That not "race" though.

Not once while earning my Bachelors degree in Biology did race come up.

The only time race was brought up in the curriculum was in Philosophy (more specifically political phil and phil of law).

That's called a clue.

As the father of a mixed race son (his mother is black) all this obsession with race sometimes bums me out despite my best efforts not to let others ignorance effect my mood.

I have to admit that if I was a black American I might find it easy to be bitter and resentful towards whites too, though. Historically speaking, the U.S. government has had a policy of treating large groups of people as somewhat less than human.

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FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a 9mm pistol and pursued travon martin WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164...mes/?gt1=43001

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you have to play to the public just like the defense did to win an impression or imagine

the defense started with lots of propaganda


it war!

STAND YOUR GROUND LAW WON'T PROTECT ZIMMERMAN BUT HIS ATTORNEY WILL FILE A MOTON FOR IT ANY WHO

stand your ground law does not protect Zimmerman

Author and NRA member Dave Kopel says Florida law does not protect George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?iid=articl...-kopel-one.cnn

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Zimmerman Made Disparaging Remarks About Mexican
s on MySpace Page

A MySpace page has surfaced that shows Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman made disparaging remarks about Mexicans and boasted about escaping from legal problems.

While the page is dated from 2005 and has not been used for some time, lawyers on both sides say the social media page could become a factor in the case against Zimmerman, who is accused of shooting the unarmed African-American teenager in Sanford, Florida, on February 26.

The page, titled, "only to be a king again," shows Zimmerman sounding off against Mexicans and celebrating his evasion of charges after a fight with a law enforcement officer.

In a possible reference to an alleged 2005 domestic violence incident, Zimmerman also uses a disparaging slang word for prostitute against his former girlfriend. Benjamin Crump, a lawyer for Trayvon Martin’s family, says the page shows Zimmerman has a history of racial profiling.

WHAT A BROKEN NOSE LOOKS LIKE
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03...been-arrested/

Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman’s 2005 MySpace page “includes disparaging remarks about Mexicans.”
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/tag/george-zimmerman/


According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.

Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Was 'Jekyll And Hyde,' Former Co-Worker Says
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1392591.html




http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/...xauto-5674.jpg

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These two women said Zimmerman was on top and they have been saying this from the beginning, also the woman with the short hair cut said the police didn't even want to take her statement, what's up with that? So all the witnesses don't agree on the same pocket as another witness named John said Trayvon was on top.

http://img1.imagehousing.com/49/c1d6...984b125cf6.jpg


Why isn't any Zimmerman supporters talking about Tray's girlfriend and her statement, isn't hers valid too? That's the biggest key to this whole case!!! She was actually the last person to speak to Tray.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn <<< the two women.

How in the world did Zimmerman get off on two points of assault on police, one a felony and a misdemeanor ? How does that work?

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FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a 9mm pistol and pursued travon martin WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164...mes/?gt1=43001

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DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NATINA!!!!
If Zimmerman's father said this:
"George Zimmerman’s white father, Judge Robert J. Zimmerman as quoted below, described George as a ‘Spanish speaking minority’, painting him as neither Jewish, nor white. Well, being"

His father is basing his own son based on linguistics that he is JUST HISPANIC and not even part Caucasian. Wowwwww!!! Logically, biologically, scientifically, and genealogy, Zimmerman is mixed !!! He's not just Hispanic. That's a fact!!!

trayvon martin was the one crying and screaming for help say two expert witnesses
Eyewitness Zimmerman Martin shooting Incident - YouTube

race was an issue because african americans had been breaking in to vehicles or ?

zimmerman says" they always get away"



zimmerman arrest records /violent history

http://www.newsrescue.com/wp-content...er-618x462.jpg

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/...xauto-5674.jpg

race was an issue because african americans had been breaking in to vehicles or OTHER STUFF IN THAT COMPLEX ?

zimmerman says" they always get away"

Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47
Says Many Gang Members Were Coming After His Family
September 7, 2010 11:00 PM

He got arrested, yet he had a legal right to have it, didn't kill no one yet got arrested. SMDH!!!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/...me-with-ak-47/

By now, you probably know the shameful details, but they are worth repeating, in any event.
On the evening of February 26, George Zimmerman, a self-appointed “neighborhood watch captain” in an Orlando suburb, shot and killed 17-year old Trayvon Martin.
Because Martin was black.
And no, don’t even think of rolling your eyes at the suggestion. That is what happened, just as surely as so many might well be loathe to admit it.
Oh sure, he denies such a motivation, as does his family, but the details of the incident, now emerging from that evening leave very little question about it.
This was not, as we too often hear in the wake of such incidents, “a tragedy.”
This was not, as some would have it, “a terrible accident.”
It was murder, plain and simple. And it would be called such by everyone in a nation that had any commitment to honest language, which, sadly, would pretty much rule out the one in which Martin’s life began and ended, and in which Zimmerman continues to operate as a free man, unarrested by the police.
Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman believed his neighborhood needed and deserved to be protected from young black men, who could not possibly belong there, in his estimation. Never mind that Martin was in the community with his father, visiting friends. Never mind that Martin was armed only with Skittles and iced tea, while Zimmerman carried a loaded weapon.
Zimmerman, who has a history of aggressive behavior (including assaulting an officer a few years ago), appears to have something of a Dirty Harry syndrome about him. He is someone described by his own neighbors as overzealous, motivated by an obsessive desire to guard the perimeter of his community and pose as a crime-fighting hero to those around him. It doesn’t take much imagination to size up Zimmerman psychologically. He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males who fantasize about being a badass law officer, meting out justice to the ne’er-do-wells. He’s the kind of person who, if he weren’t playing at policeman, would be one of those guys fabricating stories of his war heroism, buying fake military uniforms and medals on eBay and telling strangers in bars how he single-handedly held off insurgents in Kandahar or some such shit. He’s one of those guys. If you’ve met one, you’ve met them all: a wannabe somebody with a gun permit and a healthy dose of amped up, testosterone-fueled anxiety about outsiders; and so too, in his case, it appears (not only from this incident but also from dozens of previous 9-1-1 calls he’d made), a consistent fear about black men, whom he seemed to consider, almost by definition, as not belonging in his neighborhood.
If Trayvon Martin had been, say, Todd Martin, a 17-year old white male, in the same neighborhood on the same evening, it wouldn’t have mattered that he was wearing a hoodie, looking at homes as he passed them by, or fiddling with his waistband. These, it should be noted, were the apparent indicators of criminality that Zimmerman felt compelled to share with the police during his 9-1-1 call, before opting to chase Martin himself, in brazen defiance of their explicit instruction to stay put. Had he been white, Martin’s humanity would have been clearly discernible to Zimmerman. But he was black, and male, and that alone inspired Zimmerman to conclude that there was “something wrong with this guy,” and that he appeared to be “on drugs,” a judgment Zimmerman felt qualified to render based on his extensive background in behavioral psychology, bested only by his prodigious law enforcement training, and by extensive and prodigious, in this case, I mean none whatsoever.
Indeed, if you do not know that Martin’s race (and more to the point, Zimmerman’s racism) is central to the former’s death at the hands of the latter, it may well be that you are incapable of ever comprehending even the most obvious manifestations of this nation’s longstanding racial drama. Worse still, it may suggest that you are so bereft of empathy as to render you morally and emotionally dangerous to decent people.
And by empathy here, I don’t mean merely the ability to feel for the family of this murdered child. I’m guessing most all can manage that much. Rather, I refer to the kind of empathy too rarely attainable, by whites in particular, in the case of black folks who insist, based on their entire life experience and the insight gained from that experience, that their rights to life and liberty are too often subject to the capricious whims of those with less melanin than they, and for reasons owing explicitly to the color of their skin.
Empathy — real empathy, not the situational and utterly phony kind that most any of us can muster when social convention calls for it — requires that one be able to place oneself in the shoes of another, and to consider the world as they must consider it. It requires that we be able to suspend our own culturally-ingrained disbelief long enough to explore the possibility that perhaps the world doesn’t work as we would have it, but rather as others have long insisted it did.
Empathy, which is always among the first casualties of racist thinking, mandates our acceptance of the possibility that maybe it isn’t those long targeted by oppression who are exaggerating the problem or making the proverbial mountain out of a molehill, but rather we who have underestimated the gravity of racial domination and subordination in this country, and reduced what are, in fact, Everest-sized peaks to ankle-high summits, and for our own purposes, rather than in the service of truth.
And please, let us have no more ignoble and dissembling rationalizations for Trayvon Martin’s death and Zimmerman’s killing of him. If you are one, like those firmly ensconced in the pathetic Sanford, Florida police department, trying against all logic and human feeling to square this pernicious circle, just stop it. That there had been a half-dozen or so break-ins in Zimmerman’s community, ostensibly orchestrated by black males matters not a whit. Likewise, that there was a string of robberies in my New Orleans neighborhood during my senior year of college, which were the handiwork of white men, would not have justified my being stopped by police every time I returned home from a late afternoon class, to say nothing of being accosted by some community asshole with a Charles Bronson complex. But of course, such an analogy is silly isn’t it? We all know that whites are never subjected to this kind of generalized suspicion, even when we do, indeed, fit the description of one or another bad guy on the loose. We are not all looked at sideways when yet another white male serial killer is at large, or yet another abortion clinic bomber. We don’t face police roadblocks in lily-white communities so as to catch drunk drivers, even though the data is quite clear that whites represent a disproportionate number and percentage of those driving under the influence.
As for Zimmerman’s claims of self-defense, that anyone could believe such a demonstrably transparent lie as this is stunning. Or rather it isn’t. It makes perfect sense in a nation where blackness and danger have long been considered synonymous, such that any black male over the age of perhaps 10 can “reasonably” be assumed a predator whose designs on decent people and their property are so concretized as to warrant virtually any measure invoked to monitor, control and incapacitate them. However much has changed in the U.S. since the 1960s, or for that matter the 1860s, make note of it that at least this much has not: black folks are still, in the eyes of far too many whites, a problem to be addressed, a riddle to be solved. And deprived of the old mechanisms of social control to which we were once so wedded — formal segregation, regular lynchings, forced sterilization, even enslavement — we have opted for the development of new forms: racial profiling, gated communities into which we shall police entry, zoning laws that limit who can live among us, and mass incarceration for non-violent drug offenses, among others.
Under what rational interpretation of self-defense could Zimmerman’s actions qualify? Zimmerman chased Martin down. Zimmerman tackled Martin after Martin demanded to know why Zimmerman was following him. Martin screamed for help. And Zimmerman shot him. Even if Martin fought back, how could such a thing — a quite reasonable response, it should be noted, to being attacked by a total stranger — justify pulling a gun, pulling the trigger and shooting the person who was acting in self-defense against you? To those who accept Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense, let us ask a simple question: would you be so willing to buy that argument if a black person were to chase down a white person in a mostly black neighborhood, and then upon catching him, end his life when the white person resisted being pummeled? You know full well the answer. We all do.
If I chase you and jump you, and you resist my assault, and in response to your resistance I kill you, I am the bad guy. Period. End of story. No exceptions, no prevarications, no ifs ands or buts. It’s me. Trayvon Martin is the innocent one here. He is the one who was acting in self-defense, when he resisted the assault of a total stranger, whose purposes for chasing him and accosting him made him rightfully afraid. After all, “neighborhood watch captains,” whether duly elected as such or just in their own heads (as seems to have been the case with Zimmerman), don’t wear official law enforcement uniforms, which might help identify them to the persons they may find themselves pursuing. And ya’ know why? Because despite their fervent and pre-adolescent desires to play cops and robbers like they used to do when they were eight years old, they are not cops. They are not even security guards. They are self-appointed enforcers with no authority whatsoever, save that which they have chosen to fabricate so as to make themselves feel more important.
Oh, and when you abuse that ill-gotten authority and take the life of a young black man in the process, you don’t get to be taken seriously when you swear that your actions couldn’t have been racist because, after all, you’re Latino (this being the latest fanciful insistence of Zimmerman’s family). Dear merciful Lord, what is that supposed to prove? Racism is not about the identity of the person acting it out so much as those upon whom it is acted, and for what purpose. There were black slave owners in the South, after all, and what of it? American slavery was a racist institution because it subordinated people based on racial identity, and was predicated on the notion of black inhumanity and white supremacy. That there were some black people who bought into both sets of lies does not acquit the institution of the charge of racism, nor those among the African American community who participated in it. So too, that there are persons of color who are just as anti-black in their thinking as many whites, pathetic and heartbreaking though it may be, means nothing and truthfully, should surprise no one.
It should be especially unsurprising that Zimmerman would have internalized racially-biased assumptions about black males, given the society in which he (and we) reside. And although this hardly lets him off the hook — one must be responsible for one’s own actions in any event, no matter the social contributors to those actions — it is worth noting a few things about the milieu in which this wannabe police officer was operating. In other words, Zimmerman’s culpability, while total and complete, is not solitary.
After all, we are a society in which research has shown quite conclusively that local newscasts overrepresent blacks as criminals, relative to their actual share of total crime, and overrepresent whites as victims, relative to our share of victimization.
A society in which other studies have shown that these racially-skewed newscasts have a direct relationship to widespread negative perceptions of black people. Indeed, a substantial percentage of anti-black racial hostility can be directly traced to media imagery, even after all other factors are considered.
A society in which the disproportionate incarceration of black males — especially for non-violent drug offenses, which they are no more likely (and often even less likely) than whites to commit — feeds the perception that they are so treated because they are dangerous and must be kept at bay.
A society in which criminality is so associated with blackness that whites literally and almost instantly connect the two things in survey after survey, and study after study, even though we are roughly 5 times as likely to be criminally victimized by another white person as by a black person.
A society in which anti-black racism has been so long ingrained that not only most whites, but also most Latinos and Asian Americans, demonstrate substantial subconscious bias against African Americans in study after study of implicit racial hostility (and even about a third of blacks themselves demonstrate anti-black racism).
George Zimmerman was very simply taught to fear black men by his society, and he learned his lessons well. And while he must be punished for his transgressions — and hopefully will be, now that the Justice Department is investigating and a Grand Jury is being convened — let there be no mistake, he cannot and should not take the fall alone for that which stems so directly from a larger social and cultural narrative to which he (and all of us) have been subjected.
Black males are, for far too many in America, a racial Rorschach test, onto which we instantaneously graft our own perceptions and assumptions, virtually none of them good. Look, a black man on your street! Quick, what do you see? A criminal. Look, a black man on the corner! Quick, what do you see? A drug dealer. Look, a black man in a suit, in a corporate office! Quick, what do you see? An affirmative action case who probably got the job over a more qualified white man. And if you don’t believe that this is what we do — what you do — then ask yourself why 95 percent of whites, when asked to envision a drug user, admit to picturing a black person, even though blacks are only 13 percent of users, compared to about 70 percent who are white? Ask yourself why whites who are hooked up to brain scan monitors and then shown subliminal images of black men — too quickly for the conscious mind to even process what it saw — show a dramatic surge of activity in that part of the brain that reacts to fear and anxiety? Ask yourself why whites continue to believe that we are the most discriminated against group in America — and that folks of color are “taking our jobs” — even as we remain roughly half as likely to be out of work and a third as likely to be poor as those persons of color. Even when only comparing persons with college degrees, black unemployment is about double the white rate, Latino unemployment about 50 percent higher, and Asian American unemployment about a third higher than their white counterparts.
George Zimmerman must be held accountable for his actions, and hopefully he will be. Innocent until proven guilty of course, there is a process for determining matters of formal legal responsibility, and may that process now move forward to a just conclusion. But beyond the matter of legal guilt or innocence, beyond that which can be addressed in a court of law — one way or the other — there is a bigger issue here, and it is one that cannot be resolved by a jury, be it Grand or otherwise, nor by judges or prosecutors. It is the none-too-minor matter of the monster we as a nation have created, not only apparently in the heart of George Zimmerman, but in the minds of millions: individuals far too quick to rationalize any injustice so long as the victim has a black face; persons for whom no act of racially-biased misconduct qualifies as racist; persons who have allowed their own fears, anxieties and occasionally even hatreds to numb them, to inure them to the pain and suffering of the so-called other.
Yesterday, I received an e-mail from someone suggesting that perhaps we should begin to sport buttons like those that became so ubiquitous in the case of Troy Davis last year. You know the buttons, right? The ones that said: “I am Troy Davis.” The ones that aimed at solidarity with an unjustly executed man, but which, on the lapels and t-shirts of white people seemed, to me at least, more banal and offensive than anything else, since we were not, in fact (and would not likely ever be) in the position of Troy Davis. And while in this case too, I understand the sentiment and appreciate the real compassion underlying the suggestion — or the no-doubt-soon-to-be-witnessed insertion of Trayvon Martin’s name in many a Facebook profile handle — I feel that perhaps we who are white should remind ourselves, before we jump on either bandwagon, that unfortunately, we are much less like Trayvon Martin and much more like George Zimmerman.
And that is the problem.
For sources pertinent to the various data and study claims made in this piece, please see Tim Wise’s 2010 book, Colorblind: The Rise of Post-Racial Politics and the Retreat from Racial Equity. To join the call for a serious Justice Department investigation into the killing of Trayvon Martin, please sign this petition at ColorOfChange.org

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/

The courts will decide what is evidence and not you. It was recently released that Zimmerman had various injuries indicating he was getting beaten, and Treyvon's knuckle's are scraped up to validate that.

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If you're armed and you go stalking someone against the wishes of the police and it goes sour, it's on you. I don't care if the kid was cowering in a corner or if he was beating you to a pulp with his bare seventeen year old untrained fists. You shoot and kill an unarmed kid under those circumstances it's manslaughter at the very least. Nevertheless my guess is Zimmerman walks (Florida is not a place where you can count on justice prevailing...indeed you can safely bet against it), but at least Zimmerman has to face a judge and a jury.

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That's your opinion, but not the law. Zimmerman will walk. And in fairness to Treyvon he had every right to kill Zimmermanin self-defense as well, and Treyvon would have walked scott-free on the same law, and none of you people would be bitching about it. Unfortunately, Treyvon jumped on Zimmerman and started beating him and poor little Treyvon lost the fight. Tough fucking shit. His mother should teach him to respect his community and elders and don't go jumping on people when neighbors are nervous in a crime-ridden community.

This turned into a mutual-combat situation, and it's up for grabs at that point.

Out here in Texas if I'm walking around my neighborhood, and someone confronts me and asked what I'm doing around their houses, I'm not going to jump on them and start beating on them. I'd end up getting shot.

Tis tis. Treyvon's problem.

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The courts will decide what is evidence and not you. It was recently released that Zimmerman had various injuries indicating he was getting beaten, and Treyvon's knuckle's are scraped up to validate that.

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We already discussed that and the medical report is inconclusive as to whether Travon's wounds are defensive or not. Don't keep repeating shit that been shown to be bunkum. If you can't keep up stay out of the discussion.

Sorry, the penalty for disrespect isn't death. Zimmerman's action proves he deserves no respect. Now how about answering my other points made in post #997?
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...&postcount=997

Just a thought......

How can you be getting your ass kicked with another man on top of you and still have the ability to unholster your gun, take the safety off and pull the trigger??
Most people on the bottom of a fight are either using their arms and hands to defend themselves or fight back.

Unless Zimmerman has another arm, his story doesn't make sense to me.

IMO I think Trayvon and George were fighting and at some point Trayvon got off of him, whether voluntarily or forced off by Zimmerman.

When they were briefly separated is when IMO Zimmerman pulled out his gun. At this point is when I believe Zimmerman made a decision he didn't have to make. I seriously doubt Trayvon rushed Zimmerman with a gun in his hand and was shot as a result.

I think George outright executed Trayvon AFTER the fight was over.

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That's your opinion, ...
Out here in Texas if I'm walking around my neighborhood, and someone confronts me and asked what I'm doing around their houses, I'm not going to jump on them and start beating on them. I'd end up getting shot.

Tis tis. Treyvon's problem.

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Not only my opinion, but the opinion of everyone who knows right from wrong.
And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan. What a fucked up state!

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Not only my opinion, but the opinion of everyone who knows right from wrong.
And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan. What a fucked up state!

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And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan.

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People with physical disabilities?

95lb women?

Elderly?

When you're outnumbered?

You may a superhuman badass; if so, rock on!

As a grown man, I'm not gonna duke it out with another grown man over some bullshit. I'm gonna try to walk away from the situation if possible. If it's not an option, I'm taking it to the NEXT LEVEL.

The moral of the story is, you never know who yer fuckin' wit.

Misread a situation with the wrong person and you just might get checked. Hard.

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Don't be a pedantic idiot. Stick to the real argument. The "you" refers the generally able bodied, such as your Mr. Zimmerman. If you got yourself involved in a scrap and are getting the worst of it, pulling a knife, a gun or any other weapon and using it to KILL your UNARMED opponent is wrong. If the people of Texas feel they generally need to carry firearms to defend themselves (even in gated communities no less), that's a problem. The firearms are not the solution, they're symptomatic of (and part of) the problem.

That's true I agree.

You know how I roll these days? Go straight to work, don't talk to people I don't know, and go straight home. I don't do clubs none of that crap, it's like I have to strategize how I go out, and that shouldn't have to happen. With cops killing people at will they are the main concern, not even thugs, I worry about running into cops, they are a hot mess killing people and especially African descent people. This is a fact not my opinion. I have a tape where a Caucasian raised an object at an officer, did he shoot her? Nope he was Caucasian also, then she fled and took the cop car LOL :dead: Now if that would of been an African descent person DEAD DEAD DEAD!!! Look at all the African descent people shot by cops and didn't have any weapons. Yet if we have a wallet we are shot dead, this woman pulled out and pointed it towards the cop and he actually had the right to shoot, but he didn't.

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Originally Posted by zulusierra

People with physical disabilities?

95lb women?

Elderly?

When you're outnumbered?

You may a superhuman badass; if so, rock on!

As a grown man, I'm not gonna duke it out with another grown man over some bullshit. I'm gonna try to walk away from the situation if possible. If it's not an option, I'm taking it to the NEXT LEVEL.

The moral of the story is, you never know who yer fuckin' wit.

Misread a situation with the wrong person and you just might get checked. Hard.

http://i.imgur.com/wC6N1.gif

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I can't understand why some of you keep bringing up the black/white race argument. Zimmerman isn't white, and doesn't even look white. Even though he very well may have committed this crime, believe it or not.. not every crime involving people of different races was racially motivated.

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Originally Posted by trish

Stick to the real argument. The "you" refers the generally able bodied, such as your Mr. Zimmerman. If you got yourself involved in a scrap and are getting the worst of it, pulling a knife, a gun or any other weapon and using it to KILL your UNARMED opponent is wrong.

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I agree that Zimmerman was an idiot. I just happen to think Trayvon was too.

Here's my wild speculation...

Zimmerman: Probably approached Trayvon in a disrespectful manner. Decided he wanted to play Law Enforcement without the training. Did not have the emotional/mental maturity to carry a deadly weapon outside of his personal residence.

Trayvon: Walking in the rain. Rudely confronted for being in a gated community that he stuck like a sore thumb in. After being approached in what he sees as a disrespectful manner, decides to throw some shade. He's probably thinking something along the lines of "fuck this punk-ass white boy" and decides to get froggy.

Next?
Neither of them has the common sense to walk away and leave it alone.

I don't think it's right. It's life. Just to flip it, here's a thought experiment:

White guy walking through southwest Atlanta (SWATS) in an area he obviously doesn't live. Someone confronts/approaches/otherwise directs comments toward him in a disrespectful manner. Should our hypothetical white boy stay quiet and keep it movin', or engage in a dick-measuring contest? If he decides to smart off to the residents of the community what do you think the most likely outcomes include?

I think Trayvon made a fatal error thinking that just because he was in a nice gated community that some white boy wouldn't check him for being out of bounds. I'm not saying it's right.

The U.S. is changing. People are fed up. Sadly, I don't see the situation getting better anytime soon.

I still don't think it's right that Zimmerman killed him. Just because you get in a fight with someone doesn't give you the right to kill them! Imagine if EVERY fight that went down ended in one person dying and the other person claiming they only used the "Stand your Ground Law?" This law in Florida apparently ALLOWS you to kill someone if they start physically fighting you. I'm sorry but I think this is lunacy... ever heard of... PEPPERSPRAY?

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Here's my wild speculation...
Trayvon: Walking in the rain. Rudely confronted for being in a gated community that he stuck like a sore thumb in. .

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Speculation, again, can lead to all sorts of conclusions, in this case I am puzzled by yours because the sub-prime crisis and the foreclosures on property that happened, meant that 'even in' gated communities like the one in Sanford, many of the original tenants had moved out, and new ones moved in -I dont know if the Martin family's friends were new occupants, but I wonder how familiar Zimmerman was with the people who lived there, because in fact Trayvon would not have 'stuck out like a sore thumb'. One wonders what is the point of being in a Neighbourhood Watch if you dont know the neighbours...and anyway if it was the UK the whole place would have been covered by cc cameras, alebit that the incident took place in the dark mostly.

He's probably thinking something along the lines of "fuck this punk-ass white boy" and decides to get froggy.

Then why was he yelling "help help?"

This just in: Tray had THC in his system.