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At least this: Comrade Harris is not proposing to use the US Military to round up anyone and everyone who despises Trump and kill them. She hasn't even mentioned 'the Enemy within', even if the irony is that we all know who, in fact, that enemy is.
That Trump seems to know the toxic terms of division and hate that have been fundamental to the rhetoric of Nigel Farage is striking, eg Farage calling the date of Britain's exit from the EU 'Liberation Day', and his numerous odious comments about immigrants.
How many political parties has Farage cobbled together to promote his version of English Nationalism, and how many has he trashed? Following his example, is Trump in the process of trashing the Republican Party? After all, the self-confessed professional liar he has chosen to be his VP, JD Vance has trashed the legacy of Ronald Reagan while Project 2025 seeks to re-construct the USA as a White Christian Nation where most decisions are made by the Government not individuals or markets.
Ergo: with Comrade Harris what you get is the consolidation of Capitalism in America, what you get with Trump or Vance (who, in the event of their success will remove Trump from the White House before you can say Covfefe) is Dictatorship.
My, what a choice that is!
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In a couple of weeks, this piece may turn out to be much ado about nothing or a postmortem about a failed presidential campaign.
The 4 reasons Harris is losing.
http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/...ris-is-losing/
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Interesting, and a rational presentation. What puzzles me is, if Harris has those weaknesses, what about His Imperial Majesty?
How Trump can be a serious candidate when he regularly uses childish abuse to smear people better than himself, when he promises or threatens to deploy the US military with lethal force against US citizens, when he is a convicted criminal, a known con-man and liar, and when he boasts that the Justices he nominated who now sit on the Supreme Court endorsed a policy on Abortion that is not only one of the most unpopular policies across the US but one that helped his party lose the mid-term elections in 2022.
When it comes to self-harm, it seems that America has a problem, and a lack of therapeutic solutions, but it also seems that people who don't like Trump but won't vote Democrat are happy to see their country decline into even more violence and corruption than exists already. It is like Brexit, you won't know what damage has been caused until you can't repair it and have only shit sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
As for the border, which I am sure will dominate much of the interview Harris has with Fox News she has agreed to -this evening (14th October) on Channel 4 News, Christopher Steele has argued that there has been a major expansion of the Russian intelligence corps in Mexico, and that the Russians, having identified immigrants, legal and illegal as a toxic problem for Biden-Harris, are manipulating the issue to damage the chances Harris has of becoming President as obviously, they want their boy Trump to win, though one wonders if they have also been cultivating JD Vance given the strong possibility he will be part of the team that removes Trump from office at the earliest opportunity.
Does this mean shocking incidents involving illegals will have been paid for by the Russians? Maybe.
Here is the link but not sure if it is available outside the UK, or on YouTube.
Could Russia intervene in US election? Former British spy explains – Channel 4 News
Trump sparks outrage after calling for army to handle enemies on election day | US elections 2024 | The Guardian
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i have read about the democrats trying to change the electoral collage, several times over the last couple of years, I have to say I have no idea who will win this election.
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It seems like overextraolation of limited data to say she is definitely losing. Although the recent trend has been slightly against her, the polls in battleground states are still quite close. She's ceratinly doing much better than Biden was.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/ele...eground-states
I don't think she's the ideal candidate, but that really comes down to Biden's disastrous misjudgement in trying to run again. Also, he chose her as his VP.
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Indeed, but now tell me this: how many Vice-Presidents have taken one step further to become the Presidential candidate, and then be elected as President?
FDR-Truman
Eisenhower-Nixon
Kennedy-LBJ
Reagan-Bush (I)
Clinton-Gore -almost
Obama-Biden
Biden-Harris -?
That means the few examples that don't match are Ford, Carter and Bush (II), or 14 years out of the last 80.
Nixon and Biden had to wait 8 years, though, and Nixon lost the first time. LBJ became President because of the assassination (otherwise Kennedy would have been running in 1964). You also forgot Humphrey, Mondale and Pence, who all ran unsuccessfully for President. Some others were so unpopular they never ran (Quayle, Cheney).
Bush Senior is the only VP since 1945 who was elected to directly succeed the President they served under. I think the truth is that the VP's job has been a bit of a poisoned chalice.
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Obama faces backlash for comments toward Black men
https://thehill.com/homenews/race-po...ash-black-men/
“Why are Black men being lectured to? Why are Black men being belittled in ways that no other voting group?” Turner said Thursday night on CNN.
Exactly!
Please do not lecture us Mr. Obama - we are not your slaves, we are free thinkers.
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Obama faces backlash for comments toward Black men
https://thehill.com/homenews/race-po...ash-black-men/
“Why are Black men being lectured to? Why are Black men being belittled in ways that no other voting group?” Turner said Thursday night on CNN.
Exactly!
Please do not lecture us Mr. Obama - we are not your slaves, we are free thinkers.
How about you, Mr Fanti -are you comfortable with the idea of a woman being your President, regardless of her politics?
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How about you, Mr Fanti -are you comfortable with the idea of a woman being your President, regardless of her politics?
Even though you asked Mr. Fanti, I'll answer your question.
I'm comfortable with the idea of a woman being President of the United States. I voted for Hillary in 2016. On a side note, I'm also comfortable with a woman being Mayor of NYC. I voted for Nicole Malliotakis (who is a Republican) in the 2017 mayoral election. Even though I'm comfortable with woman governor, I voted against Kathy Hochul in 2022.
Having said all that, I think the problem this time around is that I'm not really comfortable with Kamala Harris as a candidate and I have a feeling that a lot a people feel that way or this election wouldn't be so close.
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Having said all that, I think the problem this time around is that I'm not really comfortable with Kamala Harris as a candidate and I have a feeling that a lot a people feel that way or this election wouldn't be so close.
Because you don't like what she's been saying, or because you're not sure what she really stands for?
Was there any practical alternative, given Biden dropped out so late?
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Even though you asked Mr. Fanti, I'll answer your question.
I'm comfortable with the idea of a woman being President of the United States. I voted for Hillary in 2016. On a side note, I'm also comfortable with a woman being Mayor of NYC. I voted for Nicole Malliotakis (who is a Republican) in the 2017 mayoral election. Even though I'm comfortable with woman governor, I voted against Kathy Hochul in 2022.
Having said all that, I think the problem this time around is that I'm not really comfortable with Kamala Harris as a candidate and I have a feeling that a lot a people feel that way or this election wouldn't be so close.
I guess Harris will take New York so it makes no difference there who you vote for. But if you lived in a swing State, would you vote tactically?
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Because you don't like what she's been saying, or because you're not sure what she really stands for?
Was there any practical alternative, given Biden dropped out so late?
Its more about I don't know what she really stands for or what she actually did to deserve to be the hyphenated part of a presidential administration.
To be fair, I also think she picked a weak individual as her running mate.
Finally and this maybe for superficial reasons, I'm not fan of the campaign slogan, "Another Way Forward". It has "Great Leap Forward" connotations to it.
There were probably better candidates. But I think this opinion piece may explain why none of them step forward.
Did political correctness and backroom dealing doom the Democratic ticket from the start?
http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/...rom-the-start/
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I guess Harris will take New York so it makes no difference there who you vote for. But if you lived in a swing State, would you vote tactically?
I would. But lets be honest about something, I tactically voted in 2020 and I think the same can be said about many other voters. We didn't vote for Biden, we were voting against Trump. There is a difference between the two. A difference that many in the media and Democrats still haven't realized 4 years later.
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I would. But lets be honest about something, I tactically voted in 2020 and I think the same can be said about many other voters. We didn't vote for Biden, we were voting against Trump. There is a difference between the two. A difference that many in the media and Democrats still haven't realized 4 years later.
I understand the first part of your point, but four years later Trump is even more extreme, unhinged and threatening than he was first time round in 2016, isn't that scary enough when you factor in the people he is likely to bring into his administration, with the rider that they might engineer him out of office as soon as they can to impose their diet of Christian Nationalism on the people regardless as to whether or not they or you want it?
Re your link to thehill article-
a) the irony is that Agnew was forced to resign because he was guilty of tax evasion, whereas these days being a convicted criminal is a plus for Republicans, who have no morals, no shame, no guilt. The route used to be local politics-state politics-national politics, whereas now it seems to be the From the Court House to the White House (with apologies to Jesse Jackson).
b) I agree that 'machine politics' was part of what got Harris into the VP position, it has been part of Democrat politics since the days of Mayer Daley maybe even before, but on what grounds would Harris have resigned if there were no health problems, legal issues and so on? It is unrealistic for thehill to put this into the mix.
c) when these decisions were made, Biden and his team may have assumed Trump would not be the candidate in 2024 either because of his legal problems, one or more of which in theory have jail time attached to a guilty verdict (though I doubt he will ever get that kind of sentence); or that he would not get the candidacy.
Perhaps what people have not realized, or accepted, is that a hard core of American voters don't care if their President is liar and a coward, a crook and a con-man and that he and everyone knows it and doesn't care, either about him, or the consequences. Maybe this is not the end of the USA, but as Churchill once put it, it may be 'the beginning of the end'.
Compare this: the difference between Brexit and Trump is that Brexit has had a devastating financial impact
-as part of the 'divorce' settlement with the EU,
"The Treasury’s latest estimate is that the net cost of the settlement to the UK will be £30.2 billion. £23.8 billion of this had been paid as of December 2023."
Brexit: the financial settlement - a summary - House of Commons Library
Another survey argues the London economy has shrunk by more than £30 billion, plus this
"Independent report by Cambridge Econometrics, commissioned by City Hall, shows London has 290,000 fewer jobs than if Brexit had not taken place, with half the total two million job losses nationwide coming in the financial services and construction sectors"
New report reveals UK economy is almost £140billion smaller because of Brexit | London City Hall
The potential divorce of some States from the Union, and I think Trump will promote this, even more so if he loses, will cost the US substantially more than Brexit has cost the UK, while we still struggle with the divisions and bitterness of it all, while the consequences for the US are even more dire, with a knock-on effect in Ukraine and the Middle East.
The worst case scenario may not be another world war as in 1939-45, but multiple civil wars (and millions made homeless) with the US resembling the narco-states of Central and Southern America with the cartels and crooks in charge, ie Musk and the other Oligarchs kneeling at the feet of His Imperial Majesty.
And again, who cares about that?
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Having said all that, I think the problem this time around is that I'm not really comfortable with Kamala Harris as a candidate and I have a feeling that a lot a people feel that way or this election wouldn't be so close.
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There were probably better candidates. But I think this opinion piece may explain why none of them step forward.
Did political correctness and backroom dealing doom the Democratic ticket from the start?
Maybe someone else could do a little better, but I find it hard to believe that there's some alternative candidate who could be winning easily. Democrat powerbrokers were ruthless enough to push Biden out when they thought he couldn't win. If there was a clearly better option would they have passed it up just because of political correctness or internal politics?
There seem to be two main things affecting swinging voters in this election, who are generally people who don't pay much attention to politics.
(a) They are unhappy with how things have gone over the past 4 years and, in contrast, have a relatively rosy view of Trump's term (at least until the pandemic came along).
(b) They tend to discount Trump's wild threats as mostly just rhetoric and assume that he won't follow through or that more sensible Republicans will stop him (as occured in the first term).
I think any Democrat candidate would struggle to cut through in these circumstances. If Republicans had nominated someone relatively normal they would probably be coasting to an easy victory.
As I recall, you didn't like any of the candidates in 2020 apart from Biden, and you obviously soured on him. You do seem to prefer theoretical Democrat candidates to actual ones.
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Even though you asked Mr. Fanti, I'll answer your question.
I didn't see Stavros question, but here's my 2 cents.
I don't give a rats @ss what the gender of POTUS is.
Example, I was for Hillary Clinton OVER Barack Obama.
(Not all of us vote for a certain candidate solely because they are Black....)
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Maybe someone else could do a little better, but I find it hard to believe that there's some alternative candidate who could be winning easily. Democrat powerbrokers were ruthless enough to push Biden out when they thought he couldn't win. If there was a clearly better option would they have passed it up just because of political correctness or internal politics?
There seem to be two main things affecting swinging voters in this election, who are generally people who don't pay much attention to politics.
(a) They are unhappy with how things have gone over the past 4 years and, in contrast, have a relatively rosy view of Trump's term (at least until the pandemic came along).
(b) They tend to discount Trump's wild threats as mostly just rhetoric and assume that he won't follow through or that more sensible Republicans will stop him (as occured in the first term).
I think any Democrat candidate would struggle to cut through in these circumstances. If Republicans had nominated someone relatively normal they would probably be coasting to an easy victory.
As I recall, you didn't like any of the candidates in 2020 apart from Biden, and you obviously soured on him. You do seem to prefer theoretical Democrat candidates to actual ones.
I didn't have an issue with Pete Buttigieg. Also, I haven't really soured on Biden, since I wasn't 100% on him in the first place. I did think he should have stayed in the race though.
Here is something else to take into consideration. When I first registered to vote back in 1992, I did so as an Independent. But I have voted Democrat in every Presidential election that I have participated in since then. Although I just recently registered as Democrat so I can start voting in primaries.
So it doesn't really matter if I supposedly prefer theoretical Democratic candidates to actual ones. The important thing is that I actually show up on election day and vote. Even if the candidate is a flawed one.
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Also, I haven't really soured on Biden, since I wasn't 100% on him in the first place. I did think he should have stayed in the race though.
That's hard to reconcile with your previous comments
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Here is something else to take into consideration. When I first registered to vote back in 1992, I did so as an Independent. But I have voted Democrat in every Presidential election that I have participated in since then. Although I just recently registered as Democrat so I can start voting in primaries.
So what does it actually mean in practice that you register as an Independent? Does it matter only for whether you can vote in primaries?
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That's hard to reconcile with your previous comments
Here is a post that I made back on 03-13-2024.
"I also don't think its healthy for one's psyche. Whether it be an individual's or the nation's. I mean let's put this in perspective. Now that the primary process is indeed over after two rounds, that means both Biden and Trump will be running a general election campaign for the next 6 months.
So my thinking is going to be this. I'm going to put the 2024 Election out of mind as much as humanly possible, show up on Election day, vote for Biden, and hope he is doesn't expire in office. Or after 90 days, he has a change of heart and resigns from office."
I also never explicitly said he should drop out of the race after the debate performance. Now, should he have decided to be one term President. That's a different story. Here is a post that I made in June.
"Their only best option now is to pray and hope Biden doesn't shit his pan..., I mean the bed come November.
In a perfect scenario, Biden would have pledged to be one term President back in 2020, therefore allowing Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and anybody else who would have been interested to compete in the primaries.
Instead, the Democrats were so concerned about Trump being reelected, that they convinced themselves that despite Biden's obvious flaws, he was the only one who would beat Trump again. But the one thing that they, the media, and many Democratic voters have not realized (or they have and just don't want to admit it) is that if it wasn't for the pandemic, there is a very good chance Trump would have won back in 2020.
Even when you take that into consideration, there was still time to do something about it by people convincing Biden that he accomplished what he set out to do. He realized his goal of becoming President, he beat Trump, and he got the country back on track post pandemic*. Now it was time for him to hand the reigns over to someone else and let them be the Democratic nominee. It would allow him to concentrate on the running the country during a pivotal election year. But they didn’t do that.
There was still time to do something though. Maybe if more people would have the balls to do what Doug Jones (I made a mistake, it was Dean Phillips) did and challenge Biden during the primaries, it could have made a difference. Instead, the guy was dismissed, ridiculed and called a “Putin Puppet” and the Democrats rallied around Biden and declared, “He is our guy”.
So, here we are now and barring some unforeseen circumstances, the Democrats are stuck with Biden. Because even if many of them wanted to change donkeys in midstream, they couldn’t do so without possibly causing a civil war in the Democratic Party. As evident by this statement:
California delegate says Black women will 'blow the party up' if Dems pick a 'White man over Kamala Harris'
http://www.foxnews.com/media/califor...-kamala-harris
In conclusion, we just to have to hope that Biden’s staff does a better job at prepping him before the next debate and that he doesn’t have jet lag. Oh and that there aren't any October surprises."
*-If you don’t count things like immigration and inflation.
Any other comments that I made, were in response to what other people were saying once it became clear the Democrats wanted to Biden to drop out.
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So what does it actually mean in practice that you register as an Independent? Does it matter only for whether you can vote in primaries?
When I first registered as an Independent (once again when I was 18 in 1992), I didn't realized that I wouldn't be able to vote in the primaries. I just never bother to change it as I got older.
It was only when I first went to vote in a NYC mayoral primary and showed them my voter registration card, did I find out that I wasn't going to be able to vote.
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When I first registered as an Independent (once again when I was 18 in 1992), I didn't realized that I wouldn't be able to vote in the primaries. I just never bother to change it as I got older.
It was only when I first went to vote in a NYC mayoral primary and showed them my voter registration card, did I find out that I wasn't going to be able to vote.
Although, now that I think about it, I may have had to re-register in for the 2008 general election. So that would have been the second time that I registered as an Independent.
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I also never explicitly said he should drop out of the race after the debate performance. Now, should he have decided to be one term President. That's a different story. Here is a post that I made in June.
Yes, but you wrote that post when it looked like Biden was determined to stay in. Obviously, he was persuaded to change his mind and the change was achieved without a civil war. Are you saying that you wish he was still the candidate now?
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Instead, the Democrats were so concerned about Trump being reelected, that they convinced themselves that despite Biden's obvious flaws, he was the only one who would beat Trump again. But the one thing that they, the media, and many Democratic voters have not realized (or they have and just don't want to admit it) is that if it wasn't for the pandemic, there is a very good chance Trump would have won back in 2020.
You are SPOT-ON here!
The Democrats had their heads so far buried in the sand that they either were oblivious to Biden's flaws, or thought the American people were too stupid too see the flaws in Biden....
And the Trump debate with Biden was actually a blessing for the Democrats as it gave the Democrats a "Biden Exit Strategy".......
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Yes, but you wrote that post when it looked like Biden was determined to stay in. Obviously, he was persuaded to change his mind and the change was achieved without a civil war. Are you saying that you wish he was still the candidate now?
I have thought about it and the best way I can answer this question is to say yes and no.
No.- Given how grueling this campaign has been, I hate to think how Biden would have been doing both physically and mentally at this stage of the game. Not to mention if there had been two more debates as previously planned, how he would have performed in them.
I'm also not sure if he would have been able to galvanize the base like Kamala did at the DNC. I saw an interesting stat the other day about Biden's approval in his third year in office compared to other U.S. presidents. It wasn't good.
Yes.- Yet, there is a small part of me that believes that if the Democrats are going to lose next Tuesday, they should have at least went down with the guy who brought them to victory 4 years ago. Because if Kamala does lose, there are going to be a lot of "what ifs", postmortems on what happened, and even a bit of "I told you so" from certain people. For those who believe that the media played a part in forcing Biden out, there is going to more mistrust from Democrats toward them.
Finally, looking back on 2024, I think people will begin to ask the biggest question of them all. Why exactly was the first Presidential debate held in the middle of June in the first place.
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You are SPOT-ON here!
The Democrats had their heads so far buried in the sand that they either were oblivious to Biden's flaws, or thought the American people were too stupid too see the flaws in Biden....
And the Trump debate with Biden was actually a blessing for the Democrats as it gave the Democrats a "Biden Exit Strategy".......
They lied and tried to hide biden's mental incompetence for more about two years. but the people were not to be fooled...
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They lied and tried to hide biden's mental incompetence for more about two years. but the people were not to be fooled...
It will be interesting to see what you have to say when Trump goes the same way
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It will be interesting to see what you have to say when Trump goes the same way
Hmmmmm, You ADMIT it about the senile, feckless foppish dolt biden?
I'll call Trump out, IF it ever happens to him.
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Here's how state primaries work - sort of.
A state can have either an open or a closed primary. MA, where I first lived is an open primary state, meaning that a registered voter of any party could vote in either party primary (only one!). FL where I am now is a closed party state, meaning you have to be registered to a party to vote in that party's primary. NY, which I lived in for a few years in between WAS open but binding, meaning that if you were independent or no party affiliation, you could vote in Either party primary, but by doing so you at that point joined that party. I remember this because when I voted in a primary in NY, they provided me with a small form, that stated "having joined the xxx party, I hereby elect to leave said party" or something to that effect. NY might have changed that. I left 30 years ago and won't return except to drive through it to get to New England, if I ever do that again.
