Komm, Kamala, Komm and Save the Nation!

[Stavros]

Kamala's policies will make us more equal and poorer off as a result. Poor people will always exist so long as television, Doritos, cheap beer and sofas exist.

Trying to help people that won't help themselves by hurting others financially is unfair.

She's wrong on the economy, energy, the border and drugs.

In support she incarcerated over 1500 Black men for a little weed, yet hard, dangerous drugs enter our nation's borders everyday. She's a joke of a border czar.

a) Harris has never been a 'border Czar', the phrase is meaningless anyway, as if any one person had total control of the borders of the US. Her task was to visit countries in Central America to tackle the exit of their citizens at source. If she failed at this, I suggest you take a closer look at the political mess in El Salvador and Honduras, to name just two.

b) Harris has given specific details on some of the economic policies she is promoting, with regard to child care, and the financial opportunities she thinks the Federal Govt can give to small and medium sized enterprises, where Trump has merely promised the same old tax cuts for the super-rich (ie, people like himself), and when asked about child care, produced an answer that was literally incomprehensible, even to himself, as it appears he didn't understand the question.

c) is the economic record of the US under President Biden so bad? Inflation is down, hiring is up. Does the President or the Federal Govt control the price of bacon or the rent people pay? Again, Trump has promised nothing, merely attacked the Biden Administration, because he doesn't have any economic policies other than those tax cuts. Thereagain, maybe he has 'concepts of a plan' for the economy, who knows?

d) I have linked Harris's record as Attorney General in California on the other thread. Perhaps she was administering the laws she inherited from the California legislature, and was not free to pass sentences that were not permitted by the law?

e) dangerous drugs do arrive in the US every day, most of them brought in by Americans, because Americans love them. As for weed, Trump wants it legalized in Florida. Maybe all those lazy sods chewing doritos on their sofas while watching The Young and the Restless, will get weed on welfare....?

[MrFanti]

In support she incarcerated over 1500 Black men for a little weed, yet hard, dangerous drugs enter our nation's borders everyday. She's a joke of a border czar.

Part of the reason why she faired miserably in the primaries. Very few of Black America supported her back then.

Which gives the Black Lives Matter stance on her and how the Democrats "nominated" her much more substance.

[Stavros]

Has nobody over there heard of 'tactical voting'? People who are not that keen on Kamala might vote for her to keep Trump out -is there any other way to achieve this, given there are no independent candidates worth a second look? Or maybe there is so much schadenfreude about the state of the nation that some people want Trump to win just to watch the country fall apart?

Trump boasts about the Supreme Court justices he nominated who in their hearings said they would retain Roe v Wade and then repealed it, yet it is probably the most unpopular policy associated with him and the Court.
Harris is doing well because of her position on Abortion, which is also a position on women's health, and the political issue of who gets to decide how to treat a woman whose pregnancy is in crisis.
To vote against that would to some people be like voting against women, and freedom.

Is Harris really to blame for the decisions made by the AG's office in California that locks up Black men -isn't this a nationwide problem? As I put it in the previous post, was Harris in a position to change the sentencing of a court?

How about the case in South Carolina where a man believed to be innocent has now been executed? How unusual is that?
South Carolina executes first man in 13 years despite new evidence of innocence | South Carolina | The Guardian

And what about Robinson, 'Martin Luther King on steroids' -do Black people vote for him because he is black, or because they share his odious views of women and transgendered people?
Kamala Harris ties Mark Robinson around Trump's neck in brutal new North Carolina ad (msn.com)


If the election is this close, a tactical vote might be the hard choice some Americans have to make. On this side of the Atlantic, it looks like a no-brainer.

[Stavros]

As the man says, this is Empathy. Of the kind Trump cannot even imagine.

[tslvr]

Someone remind me how many votes she got in the primaries. This is the US, our parties now pick the candidate through a primary system. I don't care which party you support, but this is just part of the breakdown of the American system. And when America falls, the world will rip apart at the seams.

[Stavros]

Someone remind me how many votes she got in the primaries. This is the US, our parties now pick the candidate through a primary system. I don't care which party you support, but this is just part of the breakdown of the American system. And when America falls, the world will rip apart at the seams.

I don't understand your point. Here in the UK it is not possible to be Prime Minister without being either an MP, and to be an MP that person must be selected by the members of a political party, which is not so different from the registered voters in the US choosing their candidate in a Primary, or a Caucus. If the Primary system is removed, how will either the Democrats or Republicans choose their candidate for President? I don't know how candidates are chosen for the House, Senate and other local offices.

If the American system was different, it might be that someone like Trump, who has never been a member of any party would not have been able to walk into the Republican Party and take it over -he registered to run as an Independent in 2000 but realized he had no chance without an organization with automatic reach across the whole of the US, hence his choice of the GOP.

How you choose your Presidents might be something to debate, I don't know enough about the mechanics, but allow me to suggest it is not Primary or Caucus votes that is likely to break down the American system, but the policies of a party that most Americans do not want -eg, Abortion, Gun Control, Dictatorship- which Trump and Republicans in some States are going to, or already have imposed on citizens.

How can you hold a country together when one party imposes policies on the people that limit their freedom, threatening designated 'enemies' of the party with prison or bankruptcy or even execution not because they are enemies of the USA but because they disagree with Trump-? It may all be bluster and rhetoric if and when he becomes President and realizes he doesn't have the 'immense power' he once saw in the movies, but I think he will try to see how far his immunity goes -and that is more likely to break down the integrity of the US system, plus the fear that if/when he loses there will be another round of court case after court case to prove he won when he didn't, and so forth.

Then the more long term issue not related to elections -if the Supreme Court 'returns' key policy decisions to the States, what is the purpose of the Supreme Court or even Congress? By establishing States Rights as a form of power, one is surely seeing the road to State Autonomy, the USA being a Union of 50 different countries each with their own policies on tax, abortion, education, the climate -not so different from what exists today, but without the guarantee that an American citizen has equal rights across the whole country, because Republicans do not believe in equality of any kind, being a party of privilege.

So I am not sure the Primaries are the fault, and if Harris did not do well in those elections, so what? She is the candidate now- and when compared to a mostly incoherent, ignorant fool who is obsessed with his own greatness I am amazed this is even a contest.

[filghy2]

Someone remind me how many votes she got in the primaries. This is the US, our parties now pick the candidate through a primary system. I don't care which party you support, but this is just part of the breakdown of the American system. And when America falls, the world will rip apart at the seams.

What an ignorant argument. Selection of candidates has always been a matter for the parties, as in other democracies. The primary system is not in the constitution. It only started in 1972, so for the first 189 years of the USA's history candidates were not selected by primaries. Are you saying that all those Presidents were illegitimate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ential_primary

If Biden resigned or died Kamala Harris would become President as she's the VP. That is in the Constitution. People voted for Biden knowing this. There have been several times in US history when the VP has become President in this way. Obviously that didn't lead to the breakdown of the US, let alone the world.

Also, you are missing the obvious point that the only way Kamala Harris can become President for the next 4 years is if she's voted in in the election. How would that be undemocratic?

[filghy2]

Someone remind me how many votes she got in the primaries. This is the US, our parties now pick the candidate through a primary system. I don't care which party you support, but this is just part of the breakdown of the American system. And when America falls, the world will rip apart at the seams.

PS, which one of these do you think might be the greater threat to democracy:

(a) a candidate who was chosen without a primary because the previous candidate dropped out at a late stage; or

(b) a candidate who has refused to accept the outcome of the vote in the last election and tried to overturn it through unconstitutional means?

[MrFanti]

Someone remind me how many votes she got in the primaries. This is the US, our parties now pick the candidate through a primary system. I don't care which party you support, but this is just part of the breakdown of the American system. And when America falls, the world will rip apart at the seams.

It was abysmal - she was one of earliest people to withdraw.
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...tial_primaries

[Stavros]

It was abysmal - she was one of earliest people to withdraw.
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...tial_primaries

Indeed, but now tell me this: how many Vice-Presidents have taken one step further to become the Presidential candidate, and then be elected as President?

FDR-Truman
Eisenhower-Nixon
Kennedy-LBJ
Reagan-Bush (I)
Clinton-Gore -almost
Obama-Biden
Biden-Harris -?

That means the few examples that don't match are Ford, Carter and Bush (II), or 14 years out of the last 80.