17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Your scenario falls under the possible but unlikely scenario.

I find it hard to believe that Zimmerman told this kid to 'chill out, I'm not gonna hurt you. I'm a part of the neighborhood watch and I wanted to talk to you because I've never seen you around here before,' and suddenly after the situation was defused, crazy nigger Trayvon attacked him.

That's why murdering the only other witness is so convenient.

Common sense is your best friend in cases like this.

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Considering that not all the details are known, more stuff comes out every day, it is impossible to say what really happened.

I only have one question. Why should Zimmerman not have to prove his innocence?

Have you ever turned down the temperature on a potential physical altercation?? I have.
And I've been told after the fact IF I had fought said individual, he was prepared to do more than just 'throw fists'.

Zimmerman was the one who was in COMPLETE CONTROL of that situation from the minute he spotted a 'suspicious' looking BM walking through that gated housing complex.

It defies logic to believe that if Zimmerman had approached Trayvon like an ADULT, told him his name and WHY he had approached him, that no one would be dead today.

For instance as a BM whenever I go into a department store, within minutes a salesperson is on my ass asking, 'can I help you find something?' :)

Notice she didn't say to me, 'Hey Black, I'm watching you. Better not try to boost a shirt or pair of jeans 'cause I KNOW you people steal.'

There's something to be said for tact, finesse and nuance.

IMO Zimmerman is a punk and approached Trayvon like the bitch he is and started talking to him like he didn't have a right to be where he was.

That works if you're a cop, but doesn't go over so well when you look like some chubby asshole with mouse-balls.

BTW, following someone at night and then getting out of your vehicle, running them down and saying, 'what are you doing here?' sounds similar to how gangbangers roll up on dudes not affiliated who are in their 'hood.

A hispanic man with a shaved head in a red jacket starting some beef with you over NOTHING?? TO me I would have thought Zimmerman was gangbanging.

Yes I would have fought his ass too.

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Originally Posted by ed_jaxon

I only have one question. Why should Zimmerman not have to prove his innocence?

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The law might be different in Florida. Where I live, if I had to shoot an attacker in public (on a sidewalk, in a parking lot, etc) I would have to prove that I was in danger. However, if it were a home invasion scenario the danger would be assumed and it would be up to the prosecution (if they so choose) to prove that I was not in danger.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

They are so far from being the same.
The difference is Trayvon Martin was committing NO CRIME. He was walking back to his father's condo, a capital offense for a colored boy, apparently.
The love this asshole gets from randoms is unbelievable.

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The crime was a property crime and he wasn't in danger. He created the shooting just like Zimmerman. My point is that people are screaming that Zimmerman should be thrown out in jail; however, there are cases out there in which are similar and the shooter was found not guilty. I am just sitting back and watching this mess. Yes, in my opinion, this whole situation is a mess from the shooting (i.e., what exactly caused Zimmerman to shoot Martin?) and how certain media entities are covering the story (i.e., NBC selectively editing the 911 call).

The laws are supposed to protect our rights, right?

There are too many examples of the law trampling on the rights some because others in power felt they had the right to skew the situation in their favor.

You cannot tell me that you do not believe Zimmerman's father was the first person called when his son was brought in and that he did everything within his power to save his kid.

The situation with Trayvon and Zimmerman was tragic but we deal with situations like that every day. If you are a person of color you kind of expect it.

This looks like a massive Police department/judicial cover up with authorities doing everything to cover their asses.

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

The crime was a property crime and he wasn't in danger. He created the shooting just like Zimmerman. My point is that people are screaming that Zimmerman should be thrown out in jail; however, there are cases out there in which are similar and the shooter was found not guilty. I am just sitting back and watching this mess. Yes, in my opinion, this whole situation is a mess from the shooting (i.e., what exactly caused Zimmerman to shoot Martin?) and how certain media entities are covering the story (i.e., NBC selectively editing the 911 call).

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THe shooter in the case you mentioned watched as a crime was being committed on the street. Zimmerman assumed criminality on the part of Martin, the only 'evidence' existing inside his own troubled mind.
There are superficial similarities, but substantively they are nothing alike.

When Zimmerman is proven completely guilty, these same guys that are saying he's innocent will put some other "lawyer spin" on why this is something other than what it is.

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

Zimmerman attacked Martin now? That must be realllllyyyy brand new news. And, I just thought he was only following him. By the way, Scott pulled out a gun and told them to freeze. He went out of his way to engage would-be thieves even though he knew that his girlfriend called the police about a group of teens breaking into a neighbor's car. He left his house to be a police officer. Sounds familiar..no?

The state of New York wanted to charge Scott with murder; however, a grand jury recommended him to be charged with manslaughter. A jury acquitted him. If Scott can get off, so can Zimmerman if he even goes to trial.

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Yes, Zimmerman attacked. Then, not now. This isn't new. It's on the 911 recording. He didn't just follow. He closed, over a distance of what, 100 yards? Stalking & closing is an assault. Assail means "to toward" (v). You don't need physical contact to be a threat, & the threat is the assault. All Martin ever saw was some asshole coming after him. I the "stand your ground" rule is to apply here, then it should apply to the actions of Martin, not Zimmerman. The kid was almost home. I don't know what was going on in either head, but Martin actually did the right thing by standing his ground. If he'd kicked in the afterburners & made it in his door, then the mugger would have known where he lived & become a threat to his family too. Of course it didn't work out well for him because his assailant was armed. Since Martuin wasn't a criminal, he had no reason to think that Zimmerman was anything but a criminal.

Scott was actually thwarting a crime in progress. He was clear about the fact that he was armed. He didn't pursue. Cervini was crazy enough to charge a gun, making him even more dangerous.

If you're being followed by a man with a gun, and if he's closing the distance between you and him...even after you tried picking up your pace to increase that distance, then according to the stand your fucking ground laws you have every right in the world to defend yourself...even if you don't have a gun to do it with...even if all you have is your firsts, feet and a box of skittles. Whether Trayvor actually ever stood his ground is not yet known. But what is known is that Zimmerman is the antagonist here. That is clear from the 911 call. He needs to be prosecuted. He needs to be given his "day" in court.

It's call the Stand Your Ground Law, not the Advance Your Ground And Press Your Advantage Law.

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Originally Posted by trish

If you're being followed by a man with a gun, and if he's closing the distance between you and him...even after you tried picking up your pace to increase that distance, then according to the stand your fucking ground laws you have every right in the world to defend yourself...even if you don't have a gun to do it with...even if all you have is your firsts, feet and a box of skittles. Whether Trayvor actually ever stood his ground is not yet known. But what is known is that Zimmerman is the antagonist here. That is clear from the 911 call. He needs to be prosecuted. He needs to be given his "day" in court.

It's call the Stand Your Ground Law, not the Advance Your Ground And Press Your Advantage Law.

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I agree!!

Autopsy shows that treyvon had no injuries either from physically defending himself or assaulting Zimmerman...

This led me to believe he was just shot point blank.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

I agree!!

Autopsy shows that treyvon had no injuries either from physically defending himself or assaulting Zimmerman...

This led me to believe he was just shot point blank.

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Please explain the injuries to Zimmerman. It appears that Zimmerman was not doing a good job of fighting since he ended up with the injuries. I think it is interesting is that before any of us knew the facts that Zimmerman was branded a racist and therefore Treyvon must be an angel. It is too bad the kid got shot, but it appears Zimmerman was getting beat down by the kid, and shot the kid to defend himself.

How would Treyvon get injuries by beating the crap out of Zimmerman? The black kid thought he had an easy target (a middle aged half-white guy). Have they found violent rhetoric or Zimmerman's twitter account? However they have found tweets on Treyvon's twitter account encouraging physical violence. One seems like a punk and one seems like someone trying to deter crime in their neighborhood.

It is just interesting that the black community activists ignore the much larger problem of black on black crime. Why no marches? Are the blacks killed by other blacks any less of a human being? No one want's to talk about the violent subculture that glorifies violence. Is it white musicians that songs are full of violence, and then looked to as the community as roll models. It seems this subculture is so screwed up that it has to scapegoat anyone else but themselves.

Often there's not enough evidence to charge one gang member with the murder another; but now murderers outright confess and claim self-defense invoking the Stand Your Ground Laws which these days is used to justify one shoot-out after another. The NRA written and sponsored laws are aggravating both types of murders; the vigilantes who stalk innocent black kids (admittedly not a big problem, if you're not black) and black on black gang murders. I do find it "interesting" that mildcigar seems to think we should all just drop the Trayvon matter and look in the other direction. Start another thread, if you want to discuss black on black violence. This thread is about the shooting of Trayvon Martin and it's connection to racial profiling, the stand your ground laws and perhaps the wild proliferation of pro-gun legislation. Anything else is just a weak attempt to hijack the thread and put a stop to the current discussion.

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Originally Posted by trish

Often there's not enough evidence to charge one gang member with the murder another; but now murderers outright confess and claim self-defense invoking the Stand Your Ground Laws which these days is used to justify one shoot-out after another. The NRA written and sponsored laws are aggravating both types of murders; the vigilantes who stalk innocent black kids (admittedly not a big problem, if you're not black) and black on black gang murders. I do find it "interesting" that mildcigar seems to think we should all just drop the Trayvon matter and look in the other direction. Start another thread, if you want to discuss black on black violence. This thread is about the shooting of Trayvon Martin and it's connection to racial profiling, the stand your ground laws and perhaps the wild proliferation of pro-gun legislation. Anything else is just a weak attempt to hijack the thread and put a stop to the current discussion.

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It is very interesting that you are afraid to discuss the epidemic of black on black crime, and that most in the black community are also loathe to discuss it. If Pres. Obama or Al Sharpton were any type of leaders they would be trying to combat this epidemic. This is true whether or not you believe Trayvon to be an innocent.

Also, no one has ever explained to me why a seventeen year old minor was wandering around in a gated community (in which he did not live) during the middle of the night. Please explain. Other than he was looking to during some thugin.

Why would they wanna fix Black on Black violence ? They invested alot of CIA time is ruining black ghetto's(crack, OliverNorth ), and are making a fortune on locking people up.

What does the epidemic of Black of Black crime, or White on White crime for that matter, have to do with this kid's murder??
Zimmerman is the one with an arrest record who assaulted a police officer, not Trayvon. Zimmerman is the one who's being charged before with beating his wife, not Trayvon.

Trayvon may not be an 'angel', but he's never been arrested before for assault, like Zimmerman has.

It's as if some people are trying to minimize this kid's murder by saying it's not a big deal because Black people are murdered in the hundreds every year by other Blacks.

That's a weak deflection tactic used by conservatives on TV and radio to avoid talking about the issue at hand.

It is clear to me that if races were reversed (i.e. Zimmerman was black and Martin was white) that this case would have been handled very differently, regardless of Florida law. Justice may be blind, but sadly, police officers and prosecutors are not.

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It is very interesting that you are afraid to discuss the epidemic of black on black crime, and that most in the black community are also loathe to discuss it.

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Bullshit. Show me where I said I was afraid to discuss it. Show me where I said I wouldn't discuss it. Show me. But I won't discuss on the Girls with Bulges and thread, the I Like Them Flat Too thread nor in this thread. Get it??? You want to discuss an entirely distinct topic, start a fuckin' thread for it.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Please explain the injuries to Zimmerman. It appears that Zimmerman was not doing a good job of fighting since he ended up with the injuries. I think it is interesting is that before any of us knew the facts that Zimmerman was branded a racist and therefore Treyvon must be an angel. It is too bad the kid got shot, but it appears Zimmerman was getting beat down by the kid, and shot the kid to defend himself.

How would Treyvon get injuries by beating the crap out of Zimmerman? The black kid thought he had an easy target (a middle aged half-white guy). Have they found violent rhetoric or Zimmerman's twitter account? However they have found tweets on Treyvon's twitter account encouraging physical violence. One seems like a punk and one seems like someone trying to deter crime in their neighborhood.

It is just interesting that the black community activists ignore the much larger problem of black on black crime. Why no marches? Are the blacks killed by other blacks any less of a human being? No one want's to talk about the violent subculture that glorifies violence. Is it white musicians that songs are full of violence, and then looked to as the community as roll models. It seems this subculture is so screwed up that it has to scapegoat anyone else but themselves.

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Zimmerman was bleeding, so obviously if treyvon did that the extent of injury zimmerman had, treyvon would have blood on his shirt too with he didn't.

Also Treyvon was unarmed no weapon, zimmerman claimed he was punched but autopsy showed Treyvon had no knuckle injury, broken fingernails, skin lacerations, bruising, what so ever...

Zimmerman is half aged? since is mid 30's middle aged? As far as I'm concerned zimmerman had at lest 50 pounds on trayvon. He also had a gun, and treyvon did not. This kid got candy, and walked back home how is this even arguable? People now these days make me wonder....

A person twitter account does not prove one cannot commit a crime, a priest with no violent past can still molest a child. I

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

What does the epidemic of Black of Black crime, or White on White crime for that matter, have to do with this kid's murder??
Zimmerman is the one with an arrest record who assaulted a police officer, not Trayvon. Zimmerman is the one who's being charged before with beating his wife, not Trayvon.

Trayvon may not be an 'angel', but he's never been arrested before for assault, like Zimmerman has.

It's as if some people are trying to minimize this kid's murder by saying it's not a big deal because Black people are murdered in the hundreds every year by other Blacks.

That's a weak deflection tactic used by conservatives on TV and radio to avoid talking about the issue at hand.

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Statistics show that white men are the highest percentage of child molestation, and serial killer... Should we not allow our kids to walk in a n all white neighborhood in fear of a white man molesting them?

There are racial stereotypes, but it doesn't mean its true.... A black person has any right to wear a hood on a rainy cold day and not be a hood rat...

If treyvon ahd shot zimmerman, no doubt in my mind he would have been sentenced to death already...

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Statistics show that white men are the highest percentage of child molestation, and serial killer... Should we not allow our kids to walk in a n all white neighborhood in fear of a white man molesting them?

There are racial stereotypes, but it doesn't mean its true.... A black person has any right to wear a hood on a rainy cold day and not be a hood rat...

If treyvon ahd shot zimmerman, no doubt in my mind he would have been sentenced to death already...

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Some sterotypes are true. For example, I wouldn't let my children be around a Catholic Priest unsupervised. That scary white guy driving around your neighborhood in a van with the windows blacked out might be a child molester. A black guy (who doesn't live in your gated community) but is strolling around it is likely up to no good. I don't live in a gated community, but if I did I would expect that there would only be residents and their guests within said community and random people were not welcome.

The point I bring up about the black on black violence is that it is chiefly due to family breakdown within the black subculture (which in the last 20 years or so glorifiesy violence.

The people that are trying to incite race riots in FLA, would serve their race much better if they addressed the endemic problem of violence within the black community. Why didn't hear the race hustlers like Al Sharpton speak up when Rhianna was beaten up or Michael Vick was arrested for dog fighting. Simply put, they care very little about the black community other than for their own political gain. These are the same people that tell us that blacks are as capable as anyone else, yet they demand affirmative action quotas, and every increasing amounts of welfare for no work; it doesn't matter if you don't have a job go ahead and have 5 different kids from five different ghetto bunnies. I'm sick of having to pay taxes to support these individuals.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Some sterotypes are true. For example, I wouldn't let my children be around a Catholic Priest unsupervised. That scary white guy driving around your neighborhood in a van with the windows blacked out might be a child molester. A black guy (who doesn't live in your gated community) but is strolling around it is likely up to no good. I don't live in a gated community, but if I did I would expect that there would only be residents and their guests within said community and random people were not welcome.

The point I bring up about the black on black violence is that it is chiefly due to family breakdown within the black subculture (which in the last 20 years or so glorifiesy violence.

The people that are trying to incite race riots in FLA, would serve their race much better if they addressed the endemic problem of violence within the black community. Why didn't hear the race hustlers like Al Sharpton speak up when Rhianna was beaten up or Michael Vick was arrested for dog fighting. Simply put, they care very little about the black community other than for their own political gain. These are the same people that tell us that blacks are as capable as anyone else, yet they demand affirmative action quotas, and every increasing amounts of welfare for no work; it doesn't matter if you don't have a job go ahead and have 5 different kids from five different ghetto bunnies. I'm sick of having to pay taxes to support these individuals.

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i get what your saying but just because a group of them seem that way, people also dotn see the successful blacks, or educate blacks.

Why can't you walk trough a neighborhood to get to your place, I have not heard the neighborhood being gated was it?

If you were to walk trough a rich neighborhood lets say beverly hills to get to point a to point b, what right does anyone to come to you and cause you of being a thug just cause your not wearing designer clothes?

To me its a really petty excuse to shoot a 17 year old, he was crazy! Zimmerman is a lunatic, crazy people should not be watching over neighborhoods or carrying guns!

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The people that are trying to incite race riots in FLA...

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Nobody is trying to incite race riots in Florida. That is a red-herring invented to divert attention from the issues that gave rise to Trayvon shooting, namely racism and idiotic stand your ground laws. Why are you so afraid to discuss either of these issues?

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

i get what your saying but just because a group of them seem that way, people also dotn see the successful blacks, or educate blacks.

Why can't you walk trough a neighborhood to get to your place, I have not heard the neighborhood being gated was it?

If you were to walk trough a rich neighborhood lets say beverly hills to get to point a to point b, what right does anyone to come to you and cause you of being a thug just cause your not wearing designer clothes?

To me its a really petty excuse to shoot a 17 year old, he was crazy! Zimmerman is a lunatic, crazy people should not be watching over neighborhoods or carrying guns!

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Neighborhood watch patrols shouldn't be carrying guns. Unfortunately, so long as Zimmerman had a concealed weapon permit and a legal fire arm, he can carry a gun any time he wants; even during patrols. You're right, though. Neighborhood watch should NEVER be armed with lethal weapons. Their first responsibility is reporting crimes to the proper authorities, not intervening and attempting to stop criminals. That's why they aren't police.

Zimmerman got caught up in a fight or flight and picked the wrong one. I don't think this case has anything to do with racism necessarily; in other words, I highly doubt Zimmerman hates black people, but racial profiling and stereotypes are kinda racist, and the guy was caught following Trayvon around the neighborhood for hours, so who knows.

I do think Zimmerman should be found guilty of man slaughter. Trayvon was disabled and on the ground when he was shot a second time. That is NOT self defense.

I didn't realize Zimmerman shot Trayvon TWICE. Hard to justify squeezing off two rounds in that kind of situation.

Zimmerman is the last person who should have been a part of any kind of neighborhood watch.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

I didn't realize Zimmerman shot Trayvon TWICE. Hard to justify squeezing off two rounds in that kind of situation.

Zimmerman is the last person who should have been a part of any kind of neighborhood watch.

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I'm not sure that Zimmerman shot Treyvon twice. Neighbors report hearing one gun shot, Treyvon yelling "You got me!" and a second gun shot. Yeah, Zimmerman fucked up big time. He should have called suspicious activity in instead of following Treyvon around himself. He should have called the police instead of confronting the kid, and he definitely should have stopped shooting once Treyvon was disabled. Course, I don't think Treyvon ever actually fought with Zimmerman, and I doubt there was any need to disable him in the first place.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

A black guy (who doesn't live in your gated community) but is strolling around it is likely up to no good.

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LOL You're seriously an intellectual light weight if that makes sense to you. That's about the stupidest excuse for logic someone's run by this forum in years.

I guess I'd better not take a stroll on Rodeo Drive (the residential part) then!

I am increasingy puzzled by the term 'neighbourhoods' -in Sanford I would ask what neighbourhood? I read somewhere that the residents in that gated community did not know most of their neighbours because foreclosures had forced some people to move and new people move in. How many of the people living in that gated community did Zimmerman know, and even if he knew half of them, how would he know if one resident was hosting visitors for the weekend whose son slipped out during a ball game to buy some snacks?

I don't know what the facts are in the case, as I have said before; now I am not even sure what the word neighbourhood means. How many of your neighbours where you live do you know other than maybe saying Hi when you pass on the street, if that?

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Some sterotypes are true. For example, I wouldn't let my children be around a Catholic Priest unsupervised. That scary white guy driving around your neighborhood in a van with the windows blacked out might be a child molester. A black guy (who doesn't live in your gated community) but is strolling around it is likely up to no good. I don't live in a gated community, but if I did I would expect that there would only be residents and their guests within said community and random people were not welcome.

The point I bring up about the black on black violence is that it is chiefly due to family breakdown within the black subculture (which in the last 20 years or so glorifiesy violence.

The people that are trying to incite race riots in FLA, would serve their race much better if they addressed the endemic problem of violence within the black community. Why didn't hear the race hustlers like Al Sharpton speak up when Rhianna was beaten up or Michael Vick was arrested for dog fighting. Simply put, they care very little about the black community other than for their own political gain. These are the same people that tell us that blacks are as capable as anyone else, yet they demand affirmative action quotas, and every increasing amounts of welfare for no work; it doesn't matter if you don't have a job go ahead and have 5 different kids from five different ghetto bunnies. I'm sick of having to pay taxes to support these individuals.

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I just want to add, I've actually lived in a gated community in FL, and it was in an area which included a few other gated communities. In between mine and the next one was a golf course and a country club. Black people certainly lived in the area. Seeing people walking to the center of town was not uncommon. And certainly kids walking to a convenience store for candy or some other junk food was nothing to raise an eyebrow over; nothing to take the law into one's own hands over and approach anyone wearing a hoodie, with a gun and a preconceived notion that you needed to follow them to see if they were engaging in criminal activity. In fact, can you guess who the scariest locals in that area were? They were the white trash dirt bags who were leaving KKK and skinhead propaganda pamphlets in the local shopping malls. Anyway, that's my perspective on gated communities in FL. I think it carries more weight than yours unless you lived in one for a few years.

Obviously you live with a fear and resentment of black people. You're making some pretty weak arguments. If you feel so disenfranchised and like you can't compete in the world, I'd blame rich white guys like maybe the Rockefellers or even the Koch brothers.

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Neighborhood watch patrols shouldn't be carrying guns. Unfortunately, so long as Zimmerman had a concealed weapon permit and a legal fire arm, he can carry a gun any time he wants; even during patrols. You're right, though. Neighborhood watch should NEVER be armed with lethal weapons. Their first responsibility is reporting crimes to the proper authorities, not intervening and attempting to stop criminals. That's why they aren't police.

Zimmerman got caught up in a fight or flight and picked the wrong one. I don't think this case has anything to do with racism necessarily; in other words, I highly doubt Zimmerman hates black people, but racial profiling and stereotypes are kinda racist, and the guy was caught following Trayvon around the neighborhood for hours, so who knows.

I do think Zimmerman should be found guilty of man slaughter. Trayvon was disabled and on the ground when he was shot a second time. That is NOT self defense.

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I agree, like I said in previous post they should limit the gun control, because zimmerman was crazy he had mental problems...

i don't thin it's racism, However it was racial profiling so maybe not racism to that extent. I agree..

I don't think Zimmerman should get manslaughter, I think he should get murder.

He could have stopped ask the kid a few question, or like you said called the cops which he did and they told him to stop following the kid, he didn't follow.

Being licensed, why didn't he ask questions first? Evidence has no proof Treyvon was a threat, he had no gun, or anything for the matter, he shot Treyvon because he said he looked like he had a weapon? That usually does not got too well with the courts. He is a child killer, he belong to the devil now and his soul will never find peace even if he doesn't go to jail.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

If Pres. Obama or Al Sharpton were any type of leaders they would be trying to combat this epidemic. This is true whether or not you believe Trayvon to be an innocent.

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The President doesn't need to try to do something about this. That is not his job. He can make a statement about it, sure. But he has nothing to do about this.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are fucking jokes. They are worthless. All they do is get people upset and foaming at the god damn mouth (all types of people, white, black, etc). And this is coming from someone who IS black.

As someone who leans towards anarchic values (on some days moreso than others, depending on my mood), I will say this. Crime...gangs...hate groups...any and all types...CAN be drastically reduced if the people who are effected by it are no longer afraid and they have the avenue to work together to destroy it. We HONESTLY don't need to fully depend on authoritarian types like law enforcement or the government. You have problems with gangs like the Bloods and Crips that just seem to be a permanent fixture in some areas, you have problems with religious and ethnic hate groups that also seem to never go away like in Texas which has the highest number of racial/religious-based hate groups in the nation like Nazis and Christian Identity. Authoritarians obviously can't do shit about it because they're still there. There's a damn good chance that they really don't give a fuck and LET them exist. Reminds me of how they dragged their damned feet about handling the Mafia. The people (those who have to put up with them and live in fear) vastly outnumber the shit that infests their society, and they could easily do something about them (ranging from getting them arrested or simply killing them) but people's minds have been made so docile with meaningless, dumbing-down bullshit that it seems that they just don't care anymore. That, and the fact that the authoritarians have made it so that people have to depend on them so they can have some sense of half-assed pseudo-security. You have to play by the rules that THEY set down because if you don't you're considered just as fucked up as the trash ruining society. And WHERE is that getting us? I think you ALL know the answer to that.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Some sterotypes are true. For example, I wouldn't let my children be around a Catholic Priest unsupervised. That scary white guy driving around your neighborhood in a van with the windows blacked out might be a child molester.

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...well, ya got this much right for the most part

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

The people that are trying to incite race riots in FLA, would serve their race much better if they addressed the endemic problem of violence within the black community. Why didn't hear the race hustlers like Al Sharpton speak up when Rhianna was beaten up or Michael Vick was arrested for dog fighting. Simply put, they care very little about the black community other than for their own political gain.

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...nobody is trying to incite any race riots...the demonstrations have been very peaceful. Rev Al is neither a race hustler nor a politician, and in fact cares a great deal for the black community. There is nothing to be gained here by him personally, he's involved in this situation at the behest of the Martin family, who are asking for justice and due process. If it was Zimmerman layin there dead that would not be considered an unreasonable request in any way.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

....yet they demand affirmative action quotas, and every increasing amounts of welfare for no work; it doesn't matter if you don't have a job go ahead and have 5 different kids from five different ghetto bunnies. I'm sick of having to pay taxes to support these individuals.

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....it's a safe bet your precious tax dollars are supporting just as many white trailer trash welfare queens as black down there. Ya started out on the right foot there my friend, but the rest of your statement here displays a level of confusion that would indicate maybe you should cut back on your dosage of Rush Limpballs listening and OReally/Hannity viewing

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Some sterotypes are true. For example, I wouldn't let my children be around a Catholic Priest unsupervised. That scary white guy driving around your neighborhood in a van with the windows blacked out might be a child molester. A black guy (who doesn't live in your gated community) but is strolling around it is likely up to no good. I don't live in a gated community, but if I did I would expect that there would only be residents and their guests within said community and random people were not welcome.

The point I bring up about the black on black violence is that it is chiefly due to family breakdown within the black subculture (which in the last 20 years or so glorifiesy violence.

The people that are trying to incite race riots in FLA, would serve their race much better if they addressed the endemic problem of violence within the black community. Why didn't hear the race hustlers like Al Sharpton speak up when Rhianna was beaten up or Michael Vick was arrested for dog fighting. Simply put, they care very little about the black community other than for their own political gain. These are the same people that tell us that blacks are as capable as anyone else, yet they demand affirmative action quotas, and every increasing amounts of welfare for no work; it doesn't matter if you don't have a job go ahead and have 5 different kids from five different ghetto bunnies. I'm sick of having to pay taxes to support these individuals.

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I lost a long post, in reply to the 'affirmative action' part of this post. My main point was that people who complain about it, dont understand recent history, or how life works. White have had 'affirmative action' since the nation was founded, and continue to have it to this day, as new job requirements are stilled being raised that put Blacks at an unfair disadvantage.

You complain about paying taxes. But I would bet that at some point in recent history your current job, education or job training excluded minorities, overtly. Most people understand that life is not fair. But affirmative action is one of those legal remedies that tries to level the playing field.

If Trayvon Martin, could not even walk to the store, without being killed, do you think that a business in that community would have hired him for a job, over a White kid who grew up in that community?

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

If you feel so disenfranchised and like you can't compete in the world, I'd blame rich white guys like maybe the Rockefellers or even the Koch brothers.

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So now we can add heresy to your list of sins?

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Originally Posted by hippifried

So now we can add heresy to your list of sins?

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Of course. That's one of my favorites.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I just want to add, I've actually lived in a gated community in FL, and it was in an area which included a few other gated communities. In between mine and the next one was a golf course and a country club. Black people certainly lived in the area. Seeing people walking to the center of town was not uncommon. And certainly kids walking to a convenience store for candy or some other junk food was nothing to raise an eyebrow over; nothing to take the law into one's own hands over and approach anyone wearing a hoodie, with a gun and a preconceived notion that you needed to follow them to see if they were engaging in criminal activity. In fact, can you guess who the scariest locals in that area were? They were the white trash dirt bags who were leaving KKK and skinhead propaganda pamphlets in the local shopping malls. Anyway, that's my perspective on gated communities in FL. I think it carries more weight than yours unless you lived in one for a few years.

Obviously you live with a fear and resentment of black people. You're making some pretty weak arguments. If you feel so disenfranchised and like you can't compete in the world, I'd blame rich white guys like maybe the Rockefellers or even the Koch brothers.

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Ok...just to clarify please .....all the country's social ills....which Rockefeller are we blaming? Nelson? David? or perhaps Jay ? Or can we trace this back to John D and William ? All of the above? And what about the Rockefeller sisters? lmao

You're smart but that's a pretty drastic oversimplification.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Ok...just to clarify please .....all the country's social ills... lmao

You're smart but that's a pretty drastic oversimplification.

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Ok...just to clarify: In your brain when Nicole discusses the racial and youth distributions in one particular gated community in Florida and speculates what is true there might be true in other gated communities in Florida she's talking about "all the country's social ills." lmao. That's just an overt misrepresentation of what another person said in order to what?...defend the hegemony of the wealth-elite?

Maybe read her post again. There's a paragraph break between her expierence on the gated communities she lived in and her assessment of feeling disenfranchised and the reasons for that. I took those to be 2 separate thoughts....maybe you didn't..........who cares? Why don't you comment on her thesis instead of commenting on my response? That would be more instructive...come on...we know you've been looking for this opening to go into your shtick about OWS and the 1%ers. lol

A neighborhood watch patrol struck again in Sanford today. two black thugs beat a fifty year old white man nearly to death with hammers. This on top of the two-man neighborhood watch patrol that shot and killed two drunk British tourists who were lost and walked into their hood. The shooter was sentenced to life WOP last week.

Did any of you people hear anything in the press about either case...I doubt it.