17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[SammiValentine]

oh yea, after reding what I put (long night lol), my point was the last few words. I dont think the UK and US are comparable like thism with crime stats, chalk and cheese... apples and oranges as you guys say,..

[Stavros]

I think the point about guns and the specifics of this crime, are the law in Florida and how it can appear to work in favour of the person shooting someone dead. When the facts in this case are finally settled -and I still don't know exactly what happened- the issues that will be -or should be on the agenda, are the way in which the police responded to the incident, and the 'Stand your ground' law, whose precise meaning has been contested here by at least one Florida BM. Guns have always been available in the UK, from the notorious case of Derek Bentley who was executed for the shooting of a policeman in greater London (Croydon) in 1953 to Mark Duggan in Tottenham last year; some have come out of the armed forces, others from eastern Europe -as Sammi says if you really want a gun it doesn't take too much effort to get one. If there is a slightly similar case in the UK as far as the police response is concerned, it is actually the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence, where the police were given vital information on the attackers within 24 hours of the event, but did nothing for two weeks.

[SammiValentine]

I think the point about guns and the specifics of this crime, are the law in Florida and how it can appear to work in favour of the person shooting someone dead. When the facts in this case are finally settled -and I still don't know exactly what happened- the issues that will be -or should be on the agenda, are the way in which the police responded to the incident, and the 'Stand your ground' law, whose precise meaning has been contested here by at least one Florida BM. Guns have always been available in the UK, from the notorious case of Derek Bentley who was executed for the shooting of a policeman in greater London (Croydon) in 1953 to Mark Duggan in Tottenham last year; some have come out of the armed forces, others from eastern Europe -as Sammi says if you really want a gun it doesn't take too much effort to get one. If there is a slightly similar case in the UK as far as the police response is concerned, it is actually the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence, where the police were given vital information on the attackers within 24 hours of the event, but did nothing for two weeks.

Didnt that case finally get resolved recently (they went down, racist twats).. how many years later?

[giovanni_hotel]

Zimmerman attacked Martin now? That must be realllllyyyy brand new news. And, I just thought he was only following him. By the way, Scott pulled out a gun and told them to freeze. He went out of his way to engage would-be thieves even though he knew that his girlfriend called the police about a group of teens breaking into a neighbor's car. He left his house to be a police officer. Sounds familiar..no?

The state of New York wanted to charge Scott with murder; however, a grand jury recommended him to be charged with manslaughter. A jury acquitted him. If Scott can get off, so can Zimmerman if he even goes to trial.

They are so far from being the same.
The difference is Trayvon Martin was committing NO CRIME. He was walking back to his father's condo, a capital offense for a colored boy, apparently.
The love this asshole gets from randoms is unbelievable.

[chromeheart44m]

is this going to be like the oj case where people align themselves by race ? scary we have not progressed much. hypothethical here if zimmerman was following trayvon but trayvon decided to attack zimmerman I still believe zimmerman might be the aggressor,he had the gun trayvonn was unarmed if they fought and trayvon was kicking his ass zimmerman does not have the right to shoot after basically starting the altercation imho.

[loren]

hypothethical here if zimmerman was following trayvon but trayvon decided to attack zimmerman I still believe zimmerman might be the aggressor

At the same time; if Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon and was on his way back to his vehicle, and Trayvon attacked him. Is Zimmerman still the aggressor?

[giovanni_hotel]

At the same time; if Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon and was on his way back to his vehicle, and Trayvon attacked him. Is Zimmerman still the aggressor?

Your scenario falls under the possible but unlikely scenario.

I find it hard to believe that Zimmerman told this kid to 'chill out, I'm not gonna hurt you. I'm a part of the neighborhood watch and I wanted to talk to you because I've never seen you around here before,' and suddenly after the situation was defused, crazy nigger Trayvon attacked him.

That's why murdering the only other witness is so convenient.

Common sense is your best friend in cases like this.

[chromeheart44m]

i was just on fb and there is a bunch of support 4 zimmerman im shocked all we want is him 2 go 2 trial but the conservatives really hate this kid why?

[chromeheart44m]

At the same time; if Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon and was on his way back to his vehicle, and Trayvon attacked him. Is Zimmerman still the aggressor?

good quetion ? seems odd trayvon would attack unless he was drunk or on drugs and toxiccology would show that words may have been exchanged names called we may never know the truth

[Stavros]

Didnt that case finally get resolved recently (they went down, racist twats).. how many years later?

Lawrence was murdered in 1993; two of the gang members have been sent down, but the police insist that the others will also face the music at some point although the evidence by now is slipping away. The argument is that at the time the lead detective in the investigation was in cahoots with the father of one of the gang members (Norris) accused who was also a local crime lord, and that is why the investigation went nowhere for two weeks. The parents were known to Michael Howard who around that time became leader of the Conservative Party, Neville Lawrence had done some work for him; they just wouldn't let go and Doreen I believe will not rest until the rest of the gang are put on trial -again in the case of the Acourt brothers. Whether any of this actually happens I cannot say.

The suspicion is that there are times when the police do not investigate crimes against black people with the same urgency as they do white people, which is where the Lawrence case may have congruence with the Florida case.