60 minutes = $188 million in new debt

[Faldur]

Name the ten leading refereed biology journals devoted to anti-evolution research and cite their proportion of readership relative to the community of working biologists.

No thanks, not wasting my time. 52 years since Darwin published his "theory of evolution" and today it is still just that, a theory. That speaks for itself.

[Faldur]

Hippi, 50 of he 54 states, (obuma's count not mine), have balanced budgets. They seem to manage just fine without heading into deep depressions. Wisconsin recently enacted austerity measures and we were told public education as we knew it would end. Guess what, the same teachers are in the class room teaching today.

Its amazing how the Wisconsin story is no longer reported. Take a look at the Kaukauna School District. They ran a fiscal deficit of $400,000 last year and with the new austerity measures they project a surpluss of $1.5 million. And guess what, with the new surplus they are hiring new teachers and proceeding with school improvements.

Responsible spending is no different for a government, a state, or an individual and his/her family. We've tried it your way and in the last 10 1/2 years it has produced over $9 trillion dollars in debt. If our governmental spending remained at 2007 levels, we would have a balanced budget today.

[Prospero]

Faldur - are you arguing that creationism then has as much validity as evolution? There is NO scientific basis for creationism at all - and an immense body of evidence that demonstrates that it is untrue. The creation stories are metaphors nothing more.

You also don't seem to appreciate that our science is built upon the principle of theories - which are never totally proveable. But theories are tested and evidence gathered to support them (in the case of evolution, again, an immense body of sustaining evidence). If enough scientifically supportably evidence could be gathered to disprove evolution, then it wouldl fail. hence the beleif, for instance, that we lived in a universe that rotated around the earth - enforced with rigour by the Popes - was eventually disproved by a body of scientific evidence from the likes of Kepler, Copernicus and Galileo.

But without evidence you might just as well suggest that the universe was created by a man called sam in his garden shed and that the moon is made of cheese. If you choose to believe such stuff, that is fine - just as billions have believed the myth of divine creation (and still do) or more subtly today in the anthropic principle. But there is NO evidence that can be used to prove this - just a series of texts whose historical veracity is shakey, to say the least.

[Prospero]

Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[2] The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."[3]
Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methods of obtaining knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them. These steps must be repeatable, to guard against mistake or confusion in any particular experimenter. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many independently derived hypotheses together in a coherent, supportive structure. Theories, in turn, may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.
Scientific inquiry is generally intended to be as objective as possible, to reduce biased interpretations of results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, giving them the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

[Faldur]

I'm off on holiday. Good points Prospero but I respectfully disagree. I believe there is substantial science that the "theory" of intelligent design or creationism is valid. No offense but the science is easily found with a good search. The Institute for Creation Research is a decent source.

But I am already nuts in most members views here because I believe in God. The choice is purely mine. I think it only goes to say I would believe in Genesis Chapter 1.

[Silcc69]

Hippi, 50 of he 54 states, (obuma's count not mine), have balanced budgets. They seem to manage just fine without heading into deep depressions. Wisconsin recently enacted austerity measures and we were told public education as we knew it would end. Guess what, the same teachers are in the class room teaching today.

Its amazing how the Wisconsin story is no longer reported. Take a look at the Kaukauna School District. They ran a fiscal deficit of $400,000 last year and with the new austerity measures they project a surpluss of $1.5 million. And guess what, with the new surplus they are hiring new teachers and proceeding with school improvements.

Responsible spending is no different for a government, a state, or an individual and his/her family. We've tried it your way and in the last 10 1/2 years it has produced over $9 trillion dollars in debt. If our governmental spending remained at 2007 levels, we would have a balanced budget today.

Actually we have 51 states, don't forget to count Israel.

[Prospero]

Have a good holiday Faldur. Look harder at the so-called science on Creationism. it really is pseudo science. I spent a whole year investigating this stuff (and can send you a paper i rote should you wish to see it) . I respect those who believe in God (I am personally agnostic - seeing both belief and atheism as certainties which I cannot accept) But unless you believe in some kind of trickster god who placed fossils and all kinds of other evidence around simply to play games with us, the whole notion of creationism, intelligent design and the rest simply do not hold water. However perhaps you DO believe in a trickster god - a sort of Christian Coyote (in the navajo myth) who plays with us.

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm at the point where I'm blocking about a dozen or more people. They're like speed bumps when you simply want to share ideas, info, photos, links, etc. If they want to block me, I'm more than fine with that. It seems like they must've been practising ignorance and intolerance anyway, to be as fucked up as they already are, so I'm not holding my breath on them growing intellectually or emotionally.

And honestly, if I wanted to read the Washington Review, I'd read the piece of shit. The only difference with OMK's posts is, he recreates a scene from an old Popeye cartoon, in which Bluto calls Popeye a "little lilly-livered runt", etc before makes goon-like attempts to regurgitate fascistic propaganda. Truthfully, I'd like to have all of those minutes of my life back, that I wasted on reading some of the nonsense which litters the forum.

Most of the people posting here are level-headed and sane, even if they're willing to agree to disagree. For instance, I love Trish's posts. Even tho' I don't believe in capital punishment, and she does, she's capable of behaving like a sane human being when she expresses her opinion. Fox News diatribes, I don't need.

I'm not a "lib". I'm actually apolitical. But I see validity, within reason, in all religions, philosophies, schools of thought, etc. The world is basically a Frankenstein-like juggernaut anyway. So imo eclecticism is our probably our only sane hope.

I'm generally a pacifist, but by the same token, I'm not a masochist. If I wanted my brain to rot in skull, I'd start bingeing on meth or sniffing glue. Therefore, I'm letting the dummies of HA wither away and die on the vine of social interaction. They're just a bunch of fucking dummies that need to go extinct asap.

[muh_muh]

No thanks, not wasting my time. 52 years since Darwin published his "theory of evolution" and today it is still just that, a theory. That speaks for itself.

not knowing what the term theory means in science shows quite clearly that any oppinion you hold on any scientific theory or science in general is utterly invalid as you clearly dont understand how science works and presumably either never recieved any good science education or plain didnt listen to any of it

[Nicole Dupre]