Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

[Niccolo]

That particular degree was just one I took for my own amusement, p/t, at my own expense, while working at my day job. I happen to have several pieces of paper up on the wall, that's just one of them. But hey, you never insult the intelligence of any of your customers, right ... and you didn't say that any customers who disagreed with you (i.e. me) must also be stealing from you, either ... okay, whatever. Anyone can read your previous posts. There they stand, for any potential customers to see. They can decide for themselves if they want to line your pockets, or if they'd rather go elsewhere.

[GroobySteven]

Clarity and Truth.

Your name is Wilbur Smith.
You have written over thirty novels.
You live in Africa.

These statements are quite clear. But are they true?

No? You didn't write 'The Sound of Thunder'? Thought not ...

Genius!
Totally Brilliant.
Let me take that to the pub and make a twat out of myself.

[Niccolo]

Well I had to keep it very, very simple, considering who I'm talking to. You go right ahead and keep it up; it won't make any difference to me, I have no websites for anyone to subscribe to and I'm certainly not waiting on anyone to send me their money. I'll just get a good old laugh at your adolescent behaviour. After all, for a grown man to behave like that ... well, it is quite amusing. You don't seem to realise that all you're doing is letting everyone else see what you're made of. And that's all you're doing. As I've pointed out to you already, any potential customers will now be able to read your comments, & decide if they want to pay out any of their hard earned to someone like you.

If someone reads your comments on this thread and decides not to subscribe to one of your websites, does this mean that you'll sue yourself for loss of earnings?

[GroobySteven]

If someone reads your dishonest, evasive and insulting comments on this thread, and decides not to subscribe to one of your websites, does this mean that you'll sue yourself for loss of earnings?

There has been absolutely no dishonesty or evading comments in any of my posts on this topic. I'm happy for any prospective member to read them.

[Niccolo]

Who has pointed out that the piracy doesn't equate loss? Certainly nobody of any significance and most likely, just people who steal themselves. - Seanchai

This blatant ad hominem attempt to make your own argument is obviously fallacious, as anyone who has been taught to think properly will tell you. You simply assume that anyone who disagrees with you 'steal themselves' when not only do you have no grounds on which to make that assumption, it is demonstrably false. For example, I have made that argument to you on this thread, and at the moment I have subscriptions to several websites, including one of yours. (Something I have already mentioned on this thread.) So your fallacious attempt to defend your assertion is not only irrelevant, it has actually been refuted. - N

Which of my customers have I accused of stealing from me?

At no point, have I insulted the intelligence of our customers who we put ahead of all else or accused any of them of theft. - Seanchai

You assert that if someone watches a video online, then that equates to a loss of earnings for you, and when anyone disagrees with this assertion (and several people have done so in the course of this thread alone) you label them thiefs. You have no way of knowing if any of the people on this thread who have disagreed with you are subscribers to one of your sites, or indeed to any others. They may be, or they may not. In my own case, I was a subscriber to one of your websites. Given that this is a TS porn forum, there is at least a chance that one of the other posters who adopted the same position as I did are also subscribers to various TS porn sites. (Possibly yours.)

You trotted out those ad hominem remarks and if you wish to be intellectually honest about it, you will acknowledge that you can't now say that you have never accused any of your firm's clients of thieving. You have no way of knowing that to be true. There may be several people who disagree with your statements about viewing porn online equating to a loss of earnings. Some may be subscribers to your own websites.

You are aware that I was a subscriber to one of your websites. I disagreed with you. According to you then, I was someone 'of no significance' who was 'likely' stealing TS porn online. This is how you describe your own customers?

Who'd want to be one?

[lisaparadise]

It's EXACTLY the same. That stolen candy bar lowers my revenue, I then have to adjust my business possibly losing staff, I don't buy as much candy from the manufacturer (who may or maybe not, is exploiting his cacao workforce), who needs less raw product and less printing of his wrapper. As the manufacturers revenue is also lost, he can't spend as much on advertising and his transportation needs are minus one candy bar, so that needs adjusting also. It's EXACTLY the same. You are hurting multiple people on multiple levels - it is theft.


Why are we morally bankrupt? Explain? Explain the morals to me, so I can understand this. Why do you think we take advantage of "anyone from any angle to get their money" - we provide a good and honest service, with excellent levels of customer service?

there not just stealing from steven there stealing from me and everybody else who benefets and its not right period.

[Jericho]

Not for nothing, but, i don't think anyone cares about the character of the pornographer when they're buying pornography!
Just a personal opinion!

[dgs925]

Not that I'm gonna read 20+ pages of this discussion before I throw in my 2 cents, but here it is:
I don't feel like I'm stealing from anyone, I download and jerk off. If I wasn't able to download it for free, I'd jerk off the old fashioned way - with my imagination. Before the internet I never spent a dime on porn, and I think my imagination was better.

[Jericho]

Not that I'm gonna read 20+ pages of this discussion before I throw in my 2 cents, but here it is:
I don't feel like I'm stealing from anyone, I download and jerk off. If I wasn't able to download it for free, I'd jerk off the old fashioned way - with my imagination. Before the internet I never spent a dime on porn, and I think my imagination was better.

If i had rep (whatever the fuck that is), i would give it some!

[Tepres]

We use to have reps but they took them away from us.
Some people must have cried about it and they took it away.
There was so many people I wanted to neg. lol