Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

[Jericho]

If it was industry wide, then more money would be put into it, tweaking it and making sure it did work and then work better. If it was the norm, than the end-user wouldn't have the same complaints about the software than if a couple of companies were doing it, it would be seen as standard.

Yah...That still wouldn't work. Tweak it all they like, end result is the same.
DRM, Activation, shit like that...A slap in the face to honest end users, a minor inconvenience to dishonest ones.

[GroobySteven]

Probably. That's the problem, it just doesn't work very well. It needs to be seemless to the end-user.

[Jericho]

Probably. That's the problem, it just doesn't work very well. It needs to be seemless to the end-user.

Indeed,
That seemless to the end user would appear to be the difficult bit.
Though, i can't hep feeling everyone is running in the wrong direction.

[GroobySteven]

Would have helped if I'd spelled it correctly, seamless.

[Fred30]

That's the problem, it just doesn't work very well.

... and it never EVER will. The industry has put millions and millions of $ into BlueRay and HDTV technology and it took like 2 weeks before the content protection was broken.
There is no such thing like a perfect lock. And never will be. If a lock can be openend, then it can be opened - with or without a key. Period.

It needs to be seemless to the end-user.

So you want a better technology to boss around the end-user aka the money-cow, not to do something against professional copyright-violators? Thank u for that

[GroobySteven]

So you want a better technology to boss around the end-user aka the money-cow, not to do something against professional copyright-violators? Thank u for that

Ho-hum ... Mr.Twopost !?!
No I want the end-user to get a seemless experience of being able to watch, download and enjoy the content without annoying pop-ups/passwords or software needed. To get what they paid for without inconvenience. What I don't want is for someone to download it, copy it wilfully and post it whatever. So if there was a solution, I'd take it.

[Fred30]

The thing is that imho the end-user is not the problem. Professional pirates are - if at all. And for them, as other posters before pointed out before, DRM is a minor inconvinience.
If the whole copyright is something useful at all, or if it only helps the copyright holders is something that is yet to be proven.

Mr. Threepost
(tbh I came across this board while looking for amateur pics - never planned to take part in this discussion, but this discussion struck a nerve, so I registered. Does that make my opinion worth less?)

[Faldur]

Anytime you allow the end-user the ability to download unprotected files your going to have what you have today. The choice is either prosecute the end-user which is a daunting task, or find a new way that protects your work.

If you look at the shear volume of copyrighted material on the tube sites, and this material gets re-posted daily there. The flood gate is open, I don't envy you in your task. But my own opinion, as feeble as it is, would be to protect my work at the source, my site.

[yosi]

A question to Seanchai :

I can understand your actions against piracy , if I were you I'll probably do the same.

BUT

if I want to join your site , and pay for your copyrighted site , like I should and want . I CANNOT do it.

CCBill and other companies block many countries in advance , treating me and others like potential criminals when in fact many ARE honest poeple who want to pay for what they buy.

1. YOU lose money because of less customers who cannot buy membership to your sites
2. what other option do these blocked members have?
I believe this piracy will not be there , and if it will , in much smaller size than it is today, if poeple will have the possibility to buy it legaly.

blame those who prevent many HONEST potentional customers from buying your material LEGALY.

do you do anything about it?

[GroobySteven]

A question to Seanchai :

I can understand your actions against piracy , if I were you I'll probably do the same.

BUT

if I want to join your site , and pay for your copyrighted site , like I should and want . I CANNOT do it.

CCBill and other companies block many countries in advance , treating me and others like potential criminals when in fact many ARE honest poeple who want to pay for what they buy.

1. YOU lose money because of less customers who cannot buy membership to your sites
2. what other option do these blocked members have?
I believe this piracy will not be there , and if it will , in much smaller size than it is today, if poeple will have the possibility to buy it legaly.

blame those who prevent many HONEST potentional customers from buying your material LEGALY.

do you do anything about it?

Thanks for the post Yosi - and you do pose a good question. Billing companies do block certain countries because many stolen cards are used by them and a certain amount of genuine revenue is lost because of this.

The most straight forward answer to your question, is YES. Grooby does do something about this by offering other payment options.

We have our own payments at:
http://www.grooby.com/paybymail.html from which we offer discounts and the ability to pay via mail (international money order or cash) or we can bill directly to your credit card via our own merchant account.

I hope this helps and I look forward to hearing from you - check out the options at http://www.grooby.com/tickets/ to get the sites HEAVILY discounted. If I can help you with anything directly, get me at admin@grooby.com

Regards