Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

[rockabilly]

Danielle your scenario should play before the start of all dvd's.

[Felicia Katt]

Its only a witch hunt if there is no one to find, since in reality, despite what personal opinions some may have of others, there are no witches. If an IP address is linked to a criminal act, that's probable cause to support a warrant or subpoena or further investigation. If the investigation clears you, that's the end of it. If your fingerprints are found at a crime scene, and can be traced to you, that's also probable cause for you to be investigated, and if there is an innocent reason for your prints to be there, that ends it. Its called clearing the latent prints. The standard of proof in a civil case is less than in a criminal one so it takes less evidence to make and support an accusation, but either way, there are facts reasonably supporting probable cause for further legal inquiry and no ones rights are being disrespected

FK

[BellaBellucci]

Its only a witch hunt if there is no one to find, since in reality, despite what personal opinions some may have of others, there are no witches. If an IP address is linked to a criminal act, that's probable cause to support a warrant or subpoena or further investigation. If the investigation clears you, that's the end of it. If your fingerprints are found at a crime scene, and can be traced to you, that's also probable cause for you to be investigated, and if there is an innocent reason for your prints to be there, that ends it. Its called clearing the latent prints. The standard of proof in a civil case is less than in a criminal one so it takes less evidence to make and support an accusation, but either way, there are facts reasonably supporting probable cause for further legal inquiry and no ones rights are being disrespected

FK

So you think it's OK to use a criminal investigative standard to find civil violations but you also want to exploit the lower standard of evidence that comes with a civil suit? Grooby has absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any one individual is responsible for any one theft. Are you implying that Grooby plans to clear all the 'latent prints' in search of the guilty? That's a lot of prints that don't really mean anything and a lot of accusations to be made against innocent parties.

I mean, this would be fine if we were talking about a murder weapon or another piece of tangible evidence because a) it's linked to a criminal act of which there is already evidence, b) the maximum number of latent prints possible is much, much lower than 'electronic fingerprints' and simpler to clear, and c) those fingerprints belong to actual individuals, not groups of individuals. Not to mention of course, that IP's are regularly spoofed by the real professional pirates (i.e. those who do the most damage to the industry), meaning that once again, it's the casual downloader in the cross hairs because they don't cover their tracks as well.

Furthermore, wouldn't the first IP addresses tracked in each piece of content belong to the paying site members who shared the content in the first place? Aren't those people your real culprits? Wouldn't it just be easier to go after those people since you presumably have their sign-up information? But even still, content is easy to steal. You wouldn't be able to prove that another individual didn't steal the content from the paying member.

So it sounds to me like you have no objections to Grooby planning to potentially sue entire families and businesses because one member or another may be guilty of a civil violation and only if the content in question is even still in their possession. That only works when you have evidence beyond an IP address, because without it, you're just bluffing.

That's not a witch hunt? How do you figure? And in the end, the easiest and most efficient defense will always be, 'it wasn't me.'

~BB~

[tsparisangelline]

No Shade but when grooby gained control of the site it seems the site lost alot of members

[Christastic]

Wow, not that I support piracy but I hope this "turnkey solution"* is more than just copying down IP addresses and looking them up, because IP addresses are not like fingerprints at all. And the Media Copyright Group website is the definition of fly-by-night.

I hope there's something more here than mass-mailed settlement letters hoping for a payoff. Google turned up another lawsuit, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...p-lawsuits.ars, which just looks like some lawyers and techies willing to use homophobia to gin up a profit and cut porn studios in on it. I hope future anti-piracy efforts are a little more savvy than this.

*this sounds like empty buzz-wording to me, unless it's software, which Media Copyright Group makes no claim to be. All my googling can find is the website of John Steele, a divorce lawyer.

[Niccolo]

When you hear a song in the radio you don't know when you will hear it again, you buy the song so you can hear it when you want it, at your discretion. Radio stations don't give you the time they will play it and usually unless you are a big station, have to pay royalties to the artist because radio stations unlike News Stations make money off their advertisements and endorsements.

When you see a free scene on the internet there is an address you can go to whenever you want to view it and get off.

I used to have a cock, don't need but one minute of something looped to get off.

You guys are never satisfied, do you read what you say? What is said in the web boards? You complain about small things like pubic hair and if a girl's boob is slightly misshaped.

We give you an arm and you want a leg, we give you the leg and you want a foot. Do you not see this at all, anyone else see this beside me?

In any case, there is a handful of you that are arguing this. But the rest of you could care less, you just pay for your stuff, jack off to it and go on about your day, so it isn't to my surprise that you are complaining about someone protecting his rights.

I'm certainly not one for criticising someone because of their pubic hair or whatever. (Although I agree that there are people who do, & like you, I have to say that sort of thing doesn't impress me much.)

I must also say that I have subscribed to several porn sites, over the years. It kind of depends on what I'm into at the time. Right now I have a subscription to one of the Grooby sites, as it happens. I've never bothered with the whole torrent scene. Too much hassle, & I've never been too confident about the process, PC-security-wise.

The argument presented by deepthroater and myself is that one of the propositions used to support Grooby's argument appears to be false. So if they want to put forward a convincing argument, then they have some work to do. Which is a fair point.

Eastern European crime gangs were mentioned initially. Apparently they're responsible for stealing shemale porn and putting it up on to different websites for people to download. And apparently they're making money doing this. I suggest that these are the real criminals in this whole scenario. If Grooby wanted to do something to actually combat shemale porn piracy, then they should use the technical skills mentioned in the initial post to track down these Romanian/Bulgarian gangs, and get their websites shut down. That might actually make a dent. But if they leave these Bulgarian/Romanian crims alone, then nothing will really change. They'll keep on stealing Grooby's product, keep on putting it online, and keep on charging people to download it. What will this enterprise of Grooby's actually have achieved then, long term? Not a damn thing.

[tsbrenda]

you know if some one rats the pirate out ,do they get paid too?

[traLika]

Eastern European crime gangs were mentioned initially. Apparently they're responsible for stealing shemale porn and putting it up on to different websites for people to download. And apparently they're making money doing this. I suggest that these are the real criminals in this whole scenario. If Grooby wanted to do something to actually combat shemale porn piracy, then they should use the technical skills mentioned in the initial post to track down these Romanian/Bulgarian gangs, and get their websites shut down. That might actually make a dent. But if they leave these Bulgarian/Romanian crims alone, then nothing will really change. They'll keep on stealing Grooby's product, keep on putting it online, and keep on charging people to download it. What will this enterprise of Grooby's actually have achieved then, long term? Not a damn thing.

Makes me wonder if there’s a way of putting an ‘invisible’ water mark on each copy of a movie that would be directly tracable to the original buyer/pirater? Kinda like a secret serial number. I know some record companies are sending out water marked promo CDs of their new albums...

Also, why not put pressure on ISPs that host pirate sites? Surely they are hosting terabytes worth of illegal stuff on their servers (or at least facilitating illegal activity) and to some degree can be held accountable?

Just a couple of thoughts. Sorry if either or both have already been mentioned…

[Jericho]

Erm....nah...nevermind.

[Faldur]

The genie is out of the bottle, it's going to take new and upward thinking to keep the porn industry alive. Ask the record companies about holding on to the old ways.

How many people have paid for sheet music in the last 5 years?