Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

[Ryz]

lol, paying for porn...

[GroobySteven]

Ah the typical smattering of intelligent thoughts and feedback along with the idiotic and ill-formed that you've came to expect from HA ... with the ramblings of a lonely lunatic thrown in.

1. I'm not getting into whether you think copyright law works or not. As it is, there is a copyright law. You steal, you get sued.

2. This is part of a multiple strategy against piracy. It's unlikely any of it will actually stamp our piracy until the DMCA laws are changed but we've already had success on some sites, having them stop posting Grooby content and we have taken successful action in the past, in different forms.

3. The original post went out on all Grooby sites two weeks ago to let people know what steps we were going to be taking to protect the content that they pay for.

4. Yes, this is a revenue generating venture as well as to warn people not to download our content. You have a choice, you can either do it - or not do it. There is no in-between. If you are stealing our content, then you have the potential to be sued. I've no interest in playing semantics with you.

5. To the poster, who claimed torrent sites (or tube sites) were good for our sites, as it would help promote them - you obviously do not work in this industry and have no access to the stats whatsoever. Tube/torrent sites have been the death knell for many sites so far. You are correct, 20,000 downloads does not equal 20,000 lost customers but if it only means 1 lost customer, then it is a problem. Furthermore, those 20,000 downloaders made the choice to steal that content for their own usage. Whether they cannot afford it, didn't like it or think it's shit content - is irrelevant.


Whatever your opinions are, I'm sure you all agree that theft is wrong. It's not about what you think of me or my company, it's not about our pricing structures, it's not about how much you think I make and it's not about if you think we're going about it the wrong way.
It is theft, the same as if you walk into a farmers orchard and steal apples from his tree, a few won't hurt - but if everybody does it, then when the farmer takes his apples to market, he cannot sell it - as everyone already has his apples.
Revenue raised from this part of our venture will directly go back into the site payouts so all models, photographers, site owners working with us, will help regain some of the profits that have been lost from piracy over the last few years.

[GroobySteven]

lol, paying for porn...

Yeah, well you should thank the people who have the honesty and ability to do so - because if they didn't pay for it, then what would you be jacking off to? The same recycled content from 10 yrs ago ... and no new models coming up.
ROFL at the jackass.

[Castor_Troy05]

I concede that I have in the past "stolen" content from Grooby, however this in turn did lead to me subscribing to yum and other sites which i do on rotation each few months as waiting for the best content to hit the net is just not worth it. I'd never however use bittorrent as it's just a horrible horrible way to get content.

I traditionally have a quick look on usenet, see if certain models have sets, and if so, go to the site and download the full set and any associated video's and previous sets.

I realise my actions are rare, but I wanted to let it be known that while I have stolen before, I have repeatedly paid for the content I liked.

More than happy to confirm usernames with steve if required to back up my claims.

As long as there is usenet, theft will continue and there aint anything that can be done about it. However I will continue to pay for any content I am interested in using the same model I have done before.

[shemale-411]

Right message. Wrong messenger. If you pay out $700,000 a year for models, then you're obviously pocketing much more than that. Not to mention that in your case, your business is your lifestyle as well as your job which means you also get tax write-offs for pretty much just living. And like Wal-Mart, you profit from exploited labor yet you complain about shrinkage, specifically because the thieves are reselling the content for profit. On the one hand, you state that it's these thieves that are the true enemy, but then you go on to say:
You may have banned me on HD because of your petty ego, but at least you still keep me entertained. From the bottom of my heart: thank you. xoxo
~BB~

I almost shuddered when people started responding to her posting, and did shudder when the OP finally came on. This could go on for days now, she is nuts.

Will everyone please just look at the crazy hysterical shit that spews from this poster? She attacks the OP for spending $700,000 a year on model fees and attempting to protect his investment. Now we are talking several sites with 12 month's a year updates, do the math... Then attack him for trying to make a profit after all that. I mean what does this really sound like? The OP gave her one of her first shoots, refuses to shoot her again, end of story.

I loved hearing that someone on the other board dropped the hammer...can we get that here?

Regarding piracy, everyone has a right to protect their investment. As someone who sells affiliate programs, I would love to see the industry get back to the olden days. But the industry does hold some of the blame. About 12-13 years ago one of the founders of the present adult website business model, Danni Ashe, pleaded with her fellow business owners to stop giving free content out, (promo galleries, etc) as it was driving prices down. I honestly believe if there had been some business unity back then alot would be different now. Would it have stopped the little geniuses coming out of college with adult napster ideas in their heads? Probably not, who knows? It was a gold rush back then and very much every man for themselves.

[dc_guy_75]

The IPs are listed here:
http://notatypewriter.files.wordpres...6708326036.pdf

[Nicole Dupre]

I almost shuddered when people started responding to her posting, and did shudder when the OP finally came on. This could go on for days now, she is nuts.

Will everyone please just look at the crazy hysterical shit that spews from this poster? She attacks the OP for spending $700,000 a year on model fees and attempting to protect his investment. Now we are talking several sites with 12 month's a year updates, do the math... Then attack him for trying to make a profit after all that. I mean what does this really sound like? The OP gave her one of her first shoots, refuses to shoot her again, end of story.

I loved hearing that someone on the other board dropped the hammer...can we get that here?

I think what's really sad is that so many people gave her a chance, and in one way or another she's burned each bridge. Generally, I don't like seeing people get the ban hammer, but she's proven herself to be treacherous at each and every opportunity. Much like "Michelle Sabrina" being doted on by HD's original mods, I think permitting her to stay here and behave this way is a form of enabling a sociopath.

[deepthroater]

Ah the typical smattering of intelligent thoughts and feedback along with the idiotic and ill-formed that you've came to expect from HA ... with the ramblings of a lonely lunatic thrown in.

Not sure if I'm the lonely lunatic or not, but anyway, thanks for a refreshingly honest post.

1. I'm not getting into whether you think copyright law works or not. As it is, there is a copyright law. You steal, you get sued.

I agree. Can't argue with that at all really.

2. This is part of a multiple strategy against piracy. It's unlikely any of it will actually stamp our piracy until the DMCA laws are changed but we've already had success on some sites, having them stop posting Grooby content and we have taken successful action in the past, in different forms.

I don't think anyone is ever going to be able to stamp out piracy, that has both good and bad repurcussions that aren't all about the money. I see no problem in you trying to safeguard your business at all and definitely think that sites operating with piracy as a business model (hosting stolen content as their own etc etc) need to have action taken against them and completely support you in that. What are you doing other than suing individual filesharers though?

4. Yes, this is a revenue generating venture as well as to warn people not to download our content. You have a choice, you can either do it - or not do it. There is no in-between. If you are stealing our content, then you have the potential to be sued. I've no interest in playing semantics with you.

Glad you're willing to admit this is a revenue generating venture. I don't think there's any other reason to go after individual filesharers at all. It's certainly not going to have any effect on piracy, either as a deterrent to download (other than for those sued and maybe a handful of others) or as a way of reducing the amount of pirated content available.

5. To the poster, who claimed torrent sites (or tube sites) were good for our sites, as it would help promote them - you obviously do not work in this industry and have no access to the stats whatsoever. Tube/torrent sites have been the death knell for many sites so far. You are correct, 20,000 downloads does not equal 20,000 lost customers but if it only means 1 lost customer, then it is a problem. Furthermore, those 20,000 downloaders made the choice to steal that content for their own usage. Whether they cannot afford it, didn't like it or think it's shit content - is irrelevant.

I'm sure tube sites have a far bigger impact than any torrent filesharers, why aren't you taking on the sites themselves with the same amount of aggression? I really don't think the people you're hoping to sue account for any lost revenue at all. I know that doesn't really matter to you as they're still on the wrong side of the law, and I completely understand that you have to do something, anything. But I'd really like to know what kind "stats" you're going on to prove that torrenting has "been the death knell for many sites". Shemale porn is a niche that really can't be properly catered for from torrent networks (even in Exhibit A for your court case there's only maybe 10 different files mentioned that have been shared, surely not even a couple percent of your available catalogue). I can't help but strongly believe the defendants took those files simply because they were there, 'free' and available, NOT as an alternative to subscribing to Yum. If they wanted access to the type and amount of content on Yum then they'd happily pay for it, there's no comparrison between the 10000s of files available from a subscription and the meager handful of randomness available via filesharing.

I don't think a single one of those defendants can seriously be classed as lost revenue. I know, that's irrelevant semantics to you and immaterial because no matter the outcome they stole your copy protected content. I can't really argue with that at all, but I just feel as if you're trying to do something to stop piracy and protect your site, without actually doing anything to stop piracy or protect your site.

Whatever your opinions are, I'm sure you all agree that theft is wrong. It's not about what you think of me or my company, it's not about our pricing structures, it's not about how much you think I make and it's not about if you think we're going about it the wrong way.
It is theft, the same as if you walk into a farmers orchard and steal apples from his tree, a few won't hurt - but if everybody does it, then when the farmer takes his apples to market, he cannot sell it - as everyone already has his apples.

Going on with the famer and his apples analogy; You're making mistakes by assuming a few things:

1. That everyone can get to every apple on every tree for free. In reality they can only grab the odd few apples that hang out over the wall.

2. That everyone wants to buy your apples. Just because they take them for free does not mean they'd be willing to buy them. Suddenly find a way to force them to pay for every apple they take and they'll just walk down the road to were apples grow at the side of the road for free and take whatever they want. Your apples don't get stolen anymore, but you don't sell anymore than you did before either.

3. That people who managed to get a couple of apples for free one day didn't get a taste for your particularly juicy breed of apples and want more. They liked those apples so much that they couldn't stand only getting the ones that dropped over the wall, so they keep coming back to you to buy more apples.

4. You think that people aren't buying your apples at market because they've taken enough from the overhanging branches and don't want more of the same. Actually they never managed to get many apples themselves at all. Instead another farmer keeps walking into your orchard, takes as many apples as he wants sets up a stall right next to yours and gives those apples away for free in wrappers with adverts on. He gets paid everytime someone opens a wrapper to eat an apple. You see this and do nothing about it becuase he's bigger than you and has a gun. As soon as someone unwraps the apple you accuse them of stealing money AND apples from you. You threaten to take them to court unless they pay for a years worth of apples.

Revenue raised from this part of our venture will directly go back into the site payouts so all models, photographers, site owners working with us, will help regain some of the profits that have been lost from piracy over the last few years.

That's great and actually pretty straight-up of you. So every model featured in any of the content listed in Exhibit A will be getting a fresh cheque. Girls start looking for new shoes, those settlements are normally outrageously large!

[Nicole Dupre]

Not sure if I'm the lonely lunatic or not, but anyway, thanks for a refreshingly honest post.

I think he's referring to Bella aka She Guevara, now also known as "~LL~". lol

[deepthroater]

I think he's referring to Bella aka She Guevara, now also known as "~LL~". lol

Ah ha, I wondered why I'd be a lunatic!

I am lonely though ;_;