2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

[Paladin]

Nice attempt at an irrelevant cross post.

[Paladin]

Bottom line, we exported oil under Trump but imported it under biden. russia exported oil to the US under biden, not under Trump.

durable goods (like plywood, I remember that because of the need for it when various hurricanes blow across me here) skyrocketed during the pandemic, but came right back down after. THEN they rose to double pre-pandemic costs under biden.

Oil futures actually went Negative during the pandemic, but later stabilized so that gasoline was approx 1.85 / gal here in Jan 2021, about the same as it was in Dec 2019. Then it shot up to nearly $5 / gal here (and nearly $7 / gal in CA) under the dolt. It's still more than 60% higher than Jan 2020.

A small tin of Vienna sausages was 50 cents in 2020, now they are more than $1 for the same can. Butter, much to the surprise of dumass morning joe, didn't jump to $3 / lb but $7, which his his wife had to point out to him right there on the air. Apparently he is leaving all the household chores to his wife.

[Stavros]

Bottom line, we exported oil under Trump but imported it under biden. russia exported oil to the US under biden, not under Trump.

durable goods (like plywood, I remember that because of the need for it when various hurricanes blow across me here) skyrocketed during the pandemic, but came right back down after. THEN they rose to double pre-pandemic costs under biden.

Oil futures actually went Negative during the pandemic, but later stabilized so that gasoline was approx 1.85 / gal here in Jan 2021, about the same as it was in Dec 2019. Then it shot up to nearly $5 / gal here (and nearly $7 / gal in CA) under the dolt. It's still more than 60% higher than Jan 2020.

A small tin of Vienna sausages was 50 cents in 2020, now they are more than $1 for the same can. Butter, much to the surprise of dumass morning joe, didn't jump to $3 / lb but $7, which his his wife had to point out to him right there on the air. Apparently he is leaving all the household chores to his wife.

I refer you back to my post #618 which explains the high price of groceries.

[blackchubby38]

Trump’s 2024 victory revealed voter shifts that could reshape America’s political landscape

http://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politi...ide/index.html

This is the part of the article that I find the most interesting. In essence, voters were saying, we don't like your candidate or your party. But some of your policies are okay.

The deep challenge the national Democratic Party faces with rural voters was on vivid display in two states the party hasn’t won on the presidential level in a generation: Missouri and Kentucky.

In Missouri, policies broadly backed by Democrats won popular support. Voters this year approved statewide ballot measures guaranteeing abortion rights, raising the minimum wage and mandating paid sick leave.

Harris, though? Blown out by 15 points.

In Kentucky — the same state that reelected a Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, last year in a campaign that focused largely on cultural battles like abortion rights and transgender rights — voters resoundingly rejected a proposed school voucher program.

They also rejected Harris, handing Trump a 30-point victory.

Not mentioned in the article, Alaska also voted to raise the minimum wage.

[filghy2]

Bottom line, we exported oil under Trump but imported it under biden. russia exported oil to the US under biden, not under Trump.

What a load of bullshit. The US only became a net exporter late in Trump's term. Before that it was a net importer for many decades. Since 2020 it has remained a net exporter, apart from a couple of brief periods.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=MTTNTUS2&f=M

I also looked at oil market reports from the International Energy Agency at the time and there seems to be no mention of your claim that world prices rose because Biden removed 2m barrels or whatever.

It's pretty simple. Provide a credible source that supports your claim. Put up or shut up.

[filghy2]

Trump’s 2024 victory revealed voter shifts that could reshape America’s political landscape

I wonder if people are overstating this. The margins in the three closest states were:
Pennsylvania 2.1%
Michigan 1.4%
Wisconsin 0.9%

These three states have 44 EC votes, so if just over 1% of voters switched the result would go the other way.

A plausible explanation of the result is that voters weren't happy with how things have gone over the past 4 years, and they took it out on the incumbent. This has been happening all over the world in recent years.

Once Trump is the incumbent the boot will be on the other foot. Voters are likely to become disillusioned once they realise he isn't going to make their problems go away, and in some cases will make them worse. Also, if Republicans control both houses of Congress they will be emboldened to do things that won't be popular.

[filghy2]

This is the part of the article that I find the most interesting. In essence, voters were saying, we don't like your candidate or your party. But some of your policies are okay.

What do you think they should do in terms of policy? So far, the only consensus seems to be that everyone thinks the party should do more of what they always wanted. Progressives think they should move further to the left. Moderates think they should move back to the centre.

[Stavros]

Trump’s 2024 victory revealed voter shifts that could reshape America’s political landscape

http://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politi...ide/index.html

This is the part of the article that I find the most interesting. In essence, voters were saying, we don't like your candidate or your party. But some of your policies are okay.

The deep challenge the national Democratic Party faces with rural voters was on vivid display in two states the party hasn’t won on the presidential level in a generation: Missouri and Kentucky.

In Missouri, policies broadly backed by Democrats won popular support. Voters this year approved statewide ballot measures guaranteeing abortion rights, raising the minimum wage and mandating paid sick leave.

Harris, though? Blown out by 15 points.

In Kentucky — the same state that reelected a Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, last year in a campaign that focused largely on cultural battles like abortion rights and transgender rights — voters resoundingly rejected a proposed school voucher program.

They also rejected Harris, handing Trump a 30-point victory.

Not mentioned in the article, Alaska also voted to raise the minimum wage.

There is a lot to unpack here. Why are rural voters so 'Conservative'? Is it because they are mostly either farmers or linked to agriculture, and feel they are more self-motivated and independent of the kind of politics associated with the Democrats? If this puzzles me, it is because agriculture is subsidized by the Federal Govt, so that in reality they do not 'stand on their own two feet'. If I recall correctly, the Soy Bean farmers who lost their contracts with China when Trump imposed tariffs had to be bailed out with $12 billion, proving that for Trump markets don't matter and that trade is to be directed by Govt -the complete reversal of Reaganomics.

This points to the absence of a serious debate about economics in the election. Grocery prices as part of the cost of living issue were thus linked to Democrat incompetence or indifference, but no debate on why grocery prices are high, and no debate on how markets in the US work, let alone the wider debate on global markets and supply chains and how these have been affected by 2008 and Covid. I think the Democrats missed an opportunity here to change the terms of the debate, though to me Trump's statements on this merely amounted to a 'Trump will fix it' mantra, which is even more bizarre given that previous issue with Soy Bean farmers.

Another issue that was barely mentioned used to be, and I believe still is, a chronic complaint of 'Conservatives' -welfare. I don't know what the America First Policy Institute has to say on it, as I can't find any specific policy statement on it on their website-

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If Democrat policies are popular, then why did Harris fail? Because she is a woman? Was their messaging so poor? When it comes to tone, Harris was more inclusive, where Trump and his supporters were strident, spiteful, crude and even violent -compare that to GHW Bush when he called for 'a kinder, gentler Nation', the kind of politics that is now so remote from what Trump represents as to offer this question -
If the Republican Party today is no longer the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan and Bush (I and II), should the Democrats also change? But in the latter case, what would a different Democrat party look like?

[blackchubby38]

This sure aged well.

https://x.com/khris_thomas/status/1855773015822196983

[KnightHawk 2.0]

This sure aged well.

https://x.com/khris_thomas/status/1855773015822196983

Yeah it sure did. And it came back to bite them in the ass.