2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

[Fitzcarraldo]

Kamala Harris -against, in the Guardian, and against, in the Telegraph (consistently anti-Biden-Harris anyway).

If she divides opinion so much, does she have a genuine shot? And then it is possible that she may be moulded by the Office rather than the other way round, and a lot would depend on who she brings in to her White House team, setting aside the claims she is a poor manager of people.

I just don't know enough to make a judgment.

Telegraph also pushing the Michelle Obama argument, perhaps prompted by their American informers?

Who can we blame for Joe Biden’s gamble? Angry Democrats are starting to point the finger | Emma Brockes | The Guardian

Kamala Harris Mocked Over BET Awards Video: 'Cringe' - Newsweek

Republicans launch attack ads over fears Kamala Harris will replace Joe Biden (telegraph.co.uk)

The world must prepare for President Michelle Obama (msn.com)

Michelle Obama has never served in public office. That's a ridiculous fantasy. No matter how much anyone admires her, she does not have the experience necessary to be president.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

@Stavros: I would like to hear your thoughts on the question i posted yesterday.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Last night President Joe Biden said that he wasn't leaving the campaign trail,even though he's trailing Donald Trump in the polls in several key battleground states and despite calls from fellow Democratic Lawmakers and Political Pundits to step aside,and let somebody else run in his place. And yes his performance in last week's debate was terrible,and his campaign taking the risk to having the debate in late june was very bad idea that backfired. And a 90 minute debate where he wasn't his best,doesn't erase over 3 1/2 years of the great work that him and his administration has accomplished. If the democrats didn't think that Joe Biden wasn't up too the task of serving and completing a second term,they should have began the process of finding a candidate who they thought had a better chance of defeating Donald Trump in the upcoming election over a year ago,before the democratic primaries. And with the Democratic National Convention over a month away,and the General Election over 120 days, it is too late for him to step aside and let somebody else run. What the Democrats need to do is to help him turn things around,by going out to the battleground states and speak to voters about the upcoming election,and why they should vote for President Joe Biden and tell them about the vision he has for the country. And i sure as hell don't want too see Donald Trump becoming president ever again,because that would be the end of democracy.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

@BlackChubby: I would also like hear your thoughts on the comment i posted yesterday.

[blackchubby38]

blackchubby, you are a smart guy -what do you think are the Democrats best options? And if you had a magic wand, who would you want to contest the election?

Their only best option now is to pray and hope Biden doesn't shit his pan..., I mean the bed come November.

In a perfect scenario, Biden would have pledged to be one term President back in 2020, therefore allowing Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and anybody else who would have been interested to compete in the primaries.

Instead, the Democrats were so concerned about Trump being reelected, that they convinced themselves that despite Biden's obvious flaws, he was the only one who would beat Trump again. But the one thing that they, the media, and many Democratic voters have not realized (or they have and just don't want to admit it) is that if it wasn't for the pandemic, there is a very good chance Trump would have won back in 2020.

Even when you take that into consideration, there was still time to do something about it by people convincing Biden that he accomplished what he set out to do. He realized his goal of becoming President, he beat Trump, and he got the country back on track post pandemic*. Now it was time for him to hand the reigns over to someone else and let them be the Democratic nominee. It would allow him to concentrate on the running the country during a pivotal election year. But they didn’t do that.

There was still time to do something though. Maybe if more people would have the balls to do what Doug Jones did and challenge Biden during the primaries, it could have made a difference. Instead, the guy was dismissed, ridiculed and called a “Putin Puppet” and the Democrats rallied around Biden and declared, “He is our guy”.

So, here we are now and barring some unforeseen circumstances, the Democrats are stuck with Biden. Because even if many of them wanted to change donkeys in midstream, they couldn’t do so without possibly causing a civil war in the Democratic Party. As evident by this statement:

California delegate says Black women will 'blow the party up' if Dems pick a 'White man over Kamala Harris'


http://www.foxnews.com/media/califor...-kamala-harris

In conclusion, we just to have to hope that Biden’s staff does a better job at prepping him before the next debate and that he doesn’t have jet lag. Oh and that there aren't any October surprises.

*-If you don’t count things like immigration and inflation.

[blackchubby38]

Another Question For My Fellow Posters: President Joe Biden says he's not leaving,and will remain in the race til the end,even though most polls have him trailing Donald Trump. Do you think that by him staying the course,is an attempt by him and his campaign
to squash all the calls from Democrats for him to step aside and let somebody else run in his place?

Yes, Biden is telling them they have no one else to to turn to and that they need to fall in line.

[blackchubby38]

They do because they do polling for the swing states where results have been close in recent elections. Trump is ahead in 6 of the 7 and tied in the other, which would mean a clearcut EC win. Biden probably needs at least Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to win.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/ele...eground-states

Whitmer Disavows ‘Draft Gretch’ Movement — and Delivers A Warning to Biden

http://www.politico.com/news/magazin...-2028-00165995

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Yes, Biden is telling them they have no one else to to turn to and that they need to fall in line.

Agree,that is exactly the message President Joe Biden is telling the people who are calling for him to step aside,and let somebody else run. And he's their nominee whether they like it or not.

[Stavros]

Their only best option now is to pray and hope Biden doesn't shit his pan..., I mean the bed come November.

In a perfect scenario, Biden would have pledged to be one term President back in 2020, therefore allowing Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and anybody else who would have been interested to compete in the primaries.

Instead, the Democrats were so concerned about Trump being reelected, that they convinced themselves that despite Biden's obvious flaws, he was the only one who would beat Trump again. But the one thing that they, the media, and many Democratic voters have not realized (or they have and just don't want to admit it) is that if it wasn't for the pandemic, there is a very good chance Trump would have won back in 2020.

Even when you take that into consideration, there was still time to do something about it by people convincing Biden that he accomplished what he set out to do. He realized his goal of becoming President, he beat Trump, and he got the country back on track post pandemic*. Now it was time for him to hand the reigns over to someone else and let them be the Democratic nominee. It would allow him to concentrate on the running the country during a pivotal election year. But they didn’t do that.

There was still time to do something though. Maybe if more people would have the balls to do what Doug Jones did and challenge Biden during the primaries, it could have made a difference. Instead, the guy was dismissed, ridiculed and called a “Putin Puppet” and the Democrats rallied around Biden and declared, “He is our guy”.

So, here we are now and barring some unforeseen circumstances, the Democrats are stuck with Biden. Because even if many of them wanted to change donkeys in midstream, they couldn’t do so without possibly causing a civil war in the Democratic Party. As evident by this statement:

California delegate says Black women will 'blow the party up' if Dems pick a 'White man over Kamala Harris'


http://www.foxnews.com/media/califor...-kamala-harris

In conclusion, we just to have to hope that Biden’s staff does a better job at prepping him before the next debate and that he doesn’t have jet lag. Oh and that there aren't any October surprises.

*-If you don’t count things like immigration and inflation.

Thanks for this, blackchubby. I don't know, but maybe there is a 'system' failure here, just as in 2016 there was criticism of Hillary Clinton as the candidate, not because she actually won the popular vote, but simply because though she had been Senator for New York and Secretary of State she was, well, Mrs Clinton. It looked at the time like Robert Kennedy following JFK, but at the same time one could imagine if it existed, a Democrat Party 'elite' looking after their own, elevating someone on the basis that they had served their time in the trenches and it was now time to step up to the highest office. Even if Clinton would have been a good President, it was also a red rag to Republicans who literally hated both Bill and Hillary -indeed, it has been argued, and not just by me, that it was during the Clinton Presidency that Newton Gingrich began the deeply sectarian war against the Democrats, and that much of the poisonous rejection of bi-partisan politics dates from this time.

Thus, again, what in the UK we would call the 'men in grey suits' may have rejected the idea of Biden being a one-term President and backed him even though he would be the oldest President in US history with a vulnerability to all of the hazards of old age. Once it was clear Trump was going to be the Republican nominee - and he got in early with his declaration- it should have been clear that a younger, sharper candidate capable of shredding Trump in public, while maintaining the party's policy programme would have been ideal, indeed might secure the Presidency for 8 not just 4 more years.

That said, it is now up to the Democrats to hammer Trump on everything that he is weak on, not just his character. As Heather Cox said in the interview I posted earlier today, the Republican Party is promoting policies on Abortion, Gun Control and Corporate Tax cuts which are not popular, and which leaves Trump vulnerable IF the focus is on the policies he wants that the US public does not, and that is without even bringing in the scorched earth proposals in Project 2025.

It is all to play for, will the Democrats play it right? And play it rough?

[Stavros]

Another Question For My Fellow Posters: President Joe Biden says he's not leaving,and will remain in the race til the end,even though most polls have him trailing Donald Trump. Do you think that by him staying the course,is an attempt by him and his campaign
to squash all the calls from Democrats for him to step aside and let somebody else run in his place?

I recommend the interview Christian Amanpour had with Heather Cox which I posted earlier today. Cox points out that the only time something similar happened in recent memory (well, mine at least!) was when LBJ in 1968 declined to run in November, and thew the Democrat Party into chaos, with Hubert Humphrey becoming their candidate and losing to Nixon. I recall the chaotic scenes in Chicago, aggravated by protests over the Vietnam War, and the divisions within the Democrats who at that time in the 1960s were discovering 'sectional' politics like it was a new addiction, but with the impression that the party was so divided against itself it was unfit for office, something that persisted to scuttle George McGovern's chances in 1972 -and note too that when the Republicans lost power, it was due to their own behaviour not some external shock.

Everything that happened in the 1960s -'race riots', Martin Luther King, alive in 1963, dead in 1968, Gay Liberation, Feminism, the Voter Registration and Rights Acts, and the humiliation of Nixon between 1973-74 became the foundations of the 'fightback' from the Republican Party, and each time it has met a setback, it has re-doubled its efforts and radicalized its policy agenda so that today the TEA Party 'radicals' look pathetic compared to Trump and Project 2025.

Often in politics, power is lost by the people who have it because of their own failures, not through some external cause -if Biden loses in November, you can't blame it on a pathological liar, convicted criminal and puppet of the autocrats -it will be the Democrats own fault.

Add to that a media that has enabled Trump to bluff his way through blatant crime and contempt for the US political system, and the tragic complicity of the Supreme Court, and the US is truly in peril, the damage that Trump can cause of a kind that will cost a generation of Americans some of the fundamental freedoms that evidently were taken for granted, if not from the 1960s then since 1776.