US Elections 2020

[MrFanti]

140 Seconds of facts NOT reported by the Mainstream Media...

[broncofan]

So basically the same stuff you already said but some dude shouting it on a YouTube video.

[MrFanti]

So basically the same stuff you already said but some dude shouting it on a YouTube video.

Zing!
You missed the point!

[broncofan]

Zing!
You missed the point!

In your own words tell us the point. It looks like you just posted a video of some random person saying a lot of the stuff you already said. Are the arguments more convincing because he made them? Are they more convincing because of the way he said them?

Nobody is suppressing this viewpoint. It's just not all that compelling for reasons others have spelled out on the last couple of pages.

[Stavros]

I wonder, with the President's poll ratings falling, is this Biden's election to lose? Through complacency rather than a gaffe, or even the choice of VP?

And, if the US does not get itself sorted by November, can the election take place? It seems incredible to me that an open-air convention in Florida in August can go ahead, but what are the practical implications if even by November so many people are still ill and confined to home? Are the majority of affected people in the South elderly white, dare one say, 'Republican' voters?
Then there are the polling machines that don't work, the legal challenge over the Poll Tax in Florida, etc et-

And what about the result in these conditions? I am probably thinking the worst, but there are reasoons for this....

[filghy2]

Yes, back to the topic. It seems that there is a potential mechanism through which Trump could steal the election with a thin veneer of legality if Republican-controlled legislatures in some states refuse to certify the outcome. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...crat-landslide

I wonder how likely this is, though I'm sure Trump would not baulk at it. If Republicans lose the battleground states then defying the will of the people does not sound like a way to win them back. One would hope that enough Republicans would realise that risking future disaster to allow an unpopular President to cling to office would not be a good move. Still, that sort of logic has not worked well over the past 4 years.

You Americans might need to resort to people power and take to the streets en masse to get rid of this guy.

[Stavros]

I think you are pointing in the right direction, filghy2, with this irony: the extent to which this President already questions the ways in which Americans vote, even if designed to claim he is being cheated out of a win here and there, does actually beg the questions about the mechanisms by which Americans vote, indeed, who even is permitted to vote. Why does voting differ so much from one State to another? Why do some States allow people with convictions to vote, but not in others? Given that voting is a fundamental right, should it not be organized Federally by an Independent Federal Commission that designes, manages and reports the results of elections? It shoud undermine claims of voter fraud, even though this is rare in US elections.

And if as Freedland argues, Biden gets a landslide, will this not be so impossible as to be fake? This is a President who never loses, so how is he going to act this time if he does? Probably by crying foul. It still looks to me like the messiest election in the US in my lifetime.

[blackchubby38]

I wonder, with the President's poll ratings falling, is this Biden's election to lose? Through complacency rather than a gaffe, or even the choice of VP?

And, if the US does not get itself sorted by November, can the election take place? It seems incredible to me that an open-air convention in Florida in August can go ahead, but what are the practical implications if even by November so many people are still ill and confined to home? Are the majority of affected people in the South elderly white, dare one say, 'Republican' voters?
Then there are the polling machines that don't work, the legal challenge over the Poll Tax in Florida, etc et-

And what about the result in these conditions? I am probably thinking the worst, but there are reasoons for this....

Although I have no faith in the polls, it is exactly Biden's election to lose. Some of it could be to his own doing. I would say in this order:

1. His VP pick
2. Complacency
3. Over confidence
4. A gaffe

He can also lose the election if people don't like the direction the country is going in come November. In the wake of George Floyd's murder and the protests/riots, there has been a rise in violent crime and it seems that Democratic leaders don't want address the issue for fear of alienating their base. Or if they do address it, they come up with a bunch of other reasons for the spike.

If enough of the independents and/moderates get fed up, they maybe willing to accept 4 more years of Trump because of the law and order issue.

[broncofan]

If enough of the independents and/moderates get fed up, they maybe willing to accept 4 more years of Trump because of the law and order issue.

If there are people that would vote for someone who has committed at least a half dozen impeachable acts, has engaged in financial corruption, and commuted the sentence of a felon who lied to protect him it is not because they're concerned about law and order. It's because they only want some people to be able to break the law. All sorts of crazy things can happen but this will be a tough election to argue both sides are equally bad given that only one side has decided to do away with our constitutional form of government.

[MrFanti]

Black Americans are finally showing the Democrats that Democrats can no longer use, abuse, and take advantage of the Black vote!!

Black Americans Have a Message for Democrats: Not Being Trump Is Not Enough
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/u...ats-trump.html