Coronavirus

[Fitzcarraldo]

Australia IS well ahead of us in terms of not having nearly as many infections per capita nor deaths per capita at peak. This is not to diminish what you guys have done because you've clearly handled this situation better than most countries, but what effect do you think weather has?

I've read a couple of articles that basically say that warmer weather and humidity doesn't make the virus go away but may make a slight difference in transmissibility which can matter a lot in aggregate. Has there been any talk of that?

There are an awful lot of cases in hot, humid Florida. The Australian population, in general, is more dispersed than in the US. Big cities like Melbourne and Sydney are fairly dense, but most of the country isn't. Surely that's a factor.

[Fitzcarraldo]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/us/wo...rnd/index.html

[broncofan]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/us/wo...rnd/index.html

I'm in Pittsburgh, PA. We had someone do that at a store and they had to throw away thousands of dollars worth of merchandise. Stuff like that makes you lose faith in humanity. Right now on right wing media they are claiming that coronavirus deaths are being intentionally inflated.

They give an example of someone who has a heart condition who then has a heart attack during the late stages of Covid-19. The attribution to covid-19 is correct imo because someone with an underlying condition might only have a fatal exacerbation of that condition when dealing with a serious virus. If anything there's a lot of evidence deaths have been under-counted in New York because the number of people dying per day at home has been much higher since the outbreak.

BTW, I have a sibling in Miami. Desantis waited too long to shut things down, and I think there's a religious gathering exemption, but your numbers don't look much worse if at all than ours in PA.

[Stavros]

Many politicians right now seem to be judged by two different standards: How they acted before the pandemic...and how they act now. I feel that he fails on both counts.

Thanks for this Fred, as I can imagine NYC being run by a corrupt party machine which needs to satisfy both its constituents and the powerful financial forces one assumes play a major role in the admnistration of NYC, But that is also because my experience of local governmet in one Borough in London when I was a member here of the Labour Party in the 1980s, depressed me because the corruption was so open, and came from the normally 'holier than thou' left of the party.

As I can't really judge from here, where does Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez fit -or not fit- in this mosaic?

[Stavros]

For those of you interested in conspiracy theories, the latest one I am alerted to concerns the claim that behind Covid 19 lies the spectre of World Government, and behind that screeen is Bill Gates. The claim is that Bill Gates has become a major donor to the WHO to the extent that he 'fixed' the appointment of its latest DG; that it is not coincidental that Gates organized a one-day conference in October 2019 -'Event 201'- that brought decision makers together to ask how they would tackle...a viral infection becoming a pandemic; that is is not coincidental that -"300 US soldiers participated as athletes in the Wuhan Military Games together with a large contingent of American support personnel. The timing and the circumstances of the event were more or less ideal to open up a new pathogenic front in the US government’s informal “hybrid war” against China." (source: see second link at end)

It is not coincidental because Gates and the 'Deep State' which he represents believe the world's population must be reduced (how? I hear you ask, oh go on, tell me through a fatal virus) and that data collection -of EVERYONE- is a key -but that this is how World Government is created. If only Spiro Skuros had suggested Microsoft be re-named the Tyrrell Corporation we would be half-way to Blade Runner. That was a movie, not a documentary.

So the links are below and you can have fun deciding if the 45th President is a radical determined to break up the international order and go to war with China, or a tool of the very 'deep state' he often sneers at and blames for his misfortunes, because he has been told it is the safest way to hang on to his money, so he becomes a compliant tool of Bill Gates.

The problem is that by its nature a viral infection cannot be controlled, and while it may -must- need national and international co-operation, that is not the same as World Government. Skouros has a poll in his youtube video which claims when people were asked who they feared most, Bill Gates was way ahead of North Korea.

The other problem is that so many people and institutions have received money from Gates, including Dr Fauci, it is hard to know if it is because Gates has an 'agenda' that binds those people and institutions into an ulterior motive, or if they received the money because Gates thought it would help them. And a lot of the money Gates gave to the WHO came from Warren Buffet. Is he in on the plan? Not long ago George Soros was the bogey man, so I guess if you are a billionaire, it comes with baggage. Who'd have thought it?

So there it is -this was a planned, co-ordinated infection, Made in America.

Skouros video is here-


Article from which the quote in the post came from, is here-
https://ahtribune.com/world/3926-lif...-sciences.html

[Fitzcarraldo]

Right now on right wing media they are claiming that coronavirus deaths are being intentionally inflated.

They give an example of someone who has a heart condition who then has a heart attack during the late stages of Covid-19. The attribution to covid-19 is correct imo because someone with an underlying condition might only have a fatal exacerbation of that condition when dealing with a serious virus. If anything there's a lot of evidence deaths have been under-counted in New York because the number of people dying per day at home has been much higher since the outbreak.

BTW, I have a sibling in Miami. Desantis waited too long to shut things down, and I think there's a religious gathering exemption, but your numbers don't look much worse if at all than ours in PA.

They're still pulling for seasonal flu!

DeSantis takes his lead from Trump. Hell, he had a press conference yesterday where he wore one glove.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

They're still pulling for seasonal flu!

DeSantis takes his lead from Trump. Hell, he had a press conference yesterday where he wore one glove.

Agree they are. And the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp who took his sweet ass time to issue a statewide stay at home order, and claim that he didn't know that asymptomatic people can spread the virus.

[broncofan]

Agree they are. And the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp who took his sweet ass time to issue a statewide stay at home order, and claim that he didn't know that asymptomatic people can spread the virus.

Both he and De Blasio said that. I'm not trying to brag but I posted about asymptomatic cases in the politics forum on February 27th. I'm not a doctor, have no science background, and am not responsible for the public's welfare. Total dummies.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Both he and De Blasio said that. I'm not trying to brag but I posted about asymptomatic cases in the politics forum on February 27th. I'm not a doctor, have no science background, and am not responsible for the public's welfare. Total dummies.

Not surprised that De Blasio said the same thing said, I know you wasn't to brag. and agree De Blasio and Kemp are dummies.

[fred41]

As I can't really judge from here, where does Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez fit -or not fit- in this mosaic?

Don’t want to overburden this thread Stavros, but I didn’t want to leave your question hanging either. It’s hard for me to judge her on a local level, because I don’t know what she specifically does for her district. I think, with her primary win, that she did somewhat wake up the Democratic Machine, so that their members realize that, at least occasionally, they have to actively campaign, kiss a few babies, and not just take the election for granted. That’s how she won the primary. She really did a lot of leg work and got her name out there. She ran an excellent campaign (run brilliantly by Sait Chakrabarti..who, I think, was the brains behind all that). Her district has a very large Hispanic community (with a fairly large LGBTQ community in Jackson Heights), so you would’ve thought that Joe Crowley, a very powerful man in the machine at that time, would’ve at least looked over his shoulder at a strong possibility of an over throw. He got lazy because New Yorkers simply don’t vote so he took it for granted. But in low turnouts , a strong ideological wheel can get the grease. Ideologues always have a zealous constituency. Google will show that she won 15,897 to Crowley’s 11,761...but that’s out of a population of 712,053. winning the Democratic Primary in most of NYC generally wins the general election. She ran against paper candidates. The Republican never campaigned. I couldn’t describe him if he stood in front of me.

On a National level she’s a media darling. She looks good in designer suits and the more the stupid right wing media mentioned her , the more press she received. She seems like another politician, who, when speaking off a script or wearing an earpiece sounds articulate, but is often filled with ridiculous gaffes when speaking off the cuff. There isn’t an extreme left wing box she won’t check. She’s a stereotype..which makes her a cartoon to me.
The same can be said of Bernie Sanders, but he’s not a NYC politician... though, I believe, he does come from Brooklyn. I will say, I think Bernie’s probably one of the least corrupt long time politicians I’ve seen...but that’s probably the only good thing I can say about him.

It’s going to be interesting to see how AOC does in her next election. There are some active people running against her, but it’s hard to see her losing , with the national interest shes gained and the campaign cash that often comes with that.

P.S. I’m also glad that her endorsed candidate for Queens DA , Tiffany Caban, an extreme left wing, decriminalize absolutely everything moonbat, lost her election by a handful of votes.