8 big names speak out of abuse from christian

[christianxxx]

Ok I'm not going to get into each comment here - other than to say, among the girls that spoke out, there were only two which had genuine complaints.
The others were general bickering and trying to create mischief (something both Jamie and Chelsea Pug excel in doing).

The industry is problematic and addressing it is important, even in the way it's being done here. I think there may be problems the way some producers work and that may also need addressing, but also look at the actual accusations and separate genuine complaints from just people who dislike him.

I will be the first to admit that one of the complaints was from when my site first launched and I had just started to branch out from strictly content trade to flying girls in and paying them for exclusive content. Obviously there will be mistakes made as a producer learns how to streamline and make the process more efficient.

I think its also very hard to be a performer AND producer at once. Just being a performer is fun and easy, you show up, have sex with a beautiful model, get paid and go home. Just being a producer is more difficult, but if you are having sex with the model, there is a different relationship and you can focus on making the scene perfect in order to make your site money. But doing both requires much more focus and organization. There are times where I am directing the action, worrying about lighting, giving the model instructions, putting her where she needs to be, and THEN i have to worry about making sure my dick is hard. Not the easiest at times especially when i am dealing with an amateur model who doesn't know how a porn scene works.

[Post Op Preferred]

Ok I'm not going to get into each comment here - other than to say, among the girls that spoke out, there were only two which had genuine complaints.
The others were general bickering and trying to create mischief (something both Jamie and Chelsea Pug excel in doing).

The industry is problematic and addressing it is important, even in the way it's being done here. I think there may be problems the way some producers work and that may also need addressing, but also look at the actual accusations and separate genuine complaints from just people who dislike him.

Oh-oh. A responsible adult has entered the conversation to spoil all the fun.
Thanks to Steven and to all for an illuminating discussion of a fraught issue, and especially to CXXX for his candor.

[Nikka]

TS EScorts mostly arrive suck cock and go yes and they claim they are V.I.P.

[fred41]

My question would be to Steven, since when it comes to this genre, I imagine Grooby is pretty much the gold standard. I understand there are some pretty low level production companies out there , but is the 'legit' company model the way Nika Ts represented it to be (which was also kind of my understanding ) or is it still largely, run- of-the mill sleazy, the way Giovanni Hotel described it? I'm not asking what a few small companies do (or used to do)...I'm asking what the large companies do?
Issues such as - are there strict rules in place, that the talent is aware of, that prohibits unwanted advances by opposing actors pre-shoot? Are actors fired when they cross that line? Is the talent EVER required to have unpaid sex with any member of the company, off camera, as an assumptive try-out?
Most of us don't really know, other than what we hear or read, about what really goes on at a production.

There's no point in addressing what happens on a personal level between talent off set, because that wouldn't necessarily be the responsibility of the production company per-se (and I've heard some rumors about both the male talent and even some TS girls doing some harrassive shit, but at the end of the day, those are just rumors...and rumors are 'sometimes' created out of shear dislike).

Just trying to clear up what the actual business model here in the States is.

[bassman2546]

Ok I'm not going to get into each comment here - other than to say, among the girls that spoke out, there were only two which had genuine complaints.
The others were general bickering and trying to create mischief (something both Jamie and Chelsea Pug excel in doing).

The industry is problematic and addressing it is important, even in the way it's being done here. I think there may be problems the way some producers work and that may also need addressing, but also look at the actual accusations and separate genuine complaints from just people who dislike him.

I do agree that some of the complaints are ridiculous. Who hasn't bickered with someone through text? I mean, isn't that what it's all about - people saying what they truly feel without doing so face to face? If Domino Presley spent as much time trying to keep her dick hard during a scene instead of wasting all her aggression on text, maybe she'd be a superstar rather than a struggling has been.

That being said, I've read some (not many but some) of Christian's comments on this site and he carries an arrogance about him that I don't like and can be condescending with some of his comments. Do I like what he always says? No, but I am completely distanced from the business at which he makes a living. I understand that being in business requires some aggressive behavior to make a buck, but not physically mishandling a model. Going forward maybe a little respect and communication can be directed toward the models by Christian. "This is how I like to establish chemistry. Are you okay with us physically getting to know one another prior to the scene? No? Okay. I respect that." It may be a good idea for Christian to give the models a form to fill out with questions that encourage them to provide information of "Do's" and "Don'ts", information that they may be uncomfortable verbally communicating. Maybe that's already done and is being ignored. I don't know.

Maybe the models can be upfront with what they won't tolerate. Don't take a job, get 'abused' and come back and rant about being abused. Don't get me wrong, no one deserves abuse, but going forward, be smart about it. If you don't get a job because you have some stipulations, then so what. You, at least, established that person/company has no integrity or credibility. If you take the job, get groped, rather than smear someone's name across the industry, think about what you could have done differently to avoid it happening again. I get tired of hearing women who had multiple situations with someone regarding unwanted sex. After the first occasion happens, it's your stupidity for everything that happens beyond that. If you burn your fingers in the fire, are you going to stick your fingers back in the fire?

I have no clue how THIS business works but I know how business works. Rather than hoping this issue goes away, maybe the higher powers can put their heads together and be proactive rather than reactive again in the future.

[Ts RedVeX]

"It may be a good idea for Christian to give the models a form to fill out with questions that encourage them to provide information of "Do's" and "Don'ts", information that they may be uncomfortable verbally communicating. Maybe that's already done and is being ignored. I don't know." - bassman2546

- I am really looking forward to Steven addressing my question about democracy within a socialist company I have raised here: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?73366-The-FAST-Approaching-Gun-Ban&p=1805022&viewfull=1#post1805022 Might as well answer here, as it is more relevant since someone brought it up.


Also, fred41, I am also really looking forward to "Somebody" to propose establishing a Ministry of Porn in order to put things in order, so that no Chelsea Poo is going to feel offended, abused, excluded etc.

[Nikka]

I love the serious RedVex , she is my woman

[fred41]

Also, fred41, I am also really looking forward to "Somebody" to propose establishing a Ministry of Porn in order to put things in order, so that no Chelsea Poo is going to feel offended, abused, excluded etc.

I'm just asking what the actual business model is, not what I think it should be...or what you think it should be based on personal politics.

[broncofan]

I don't want to comment on the accusations because they range quite a bit in seriousness and there are just too many things I don't know. But I did notice that Christian seems to routinely misstate the odds of contracting hiv in order to justify having condomless sex. In one of the copied interactions he says that anything other than receiving an anal creampie is less than one in ten million chance of hiv transmission. To the extent there are statistics this is not even close to true.

http://www.deadgirlproductions.com/sographics/5.jpg

If he only considers receptive anal creampie to be a risk this leaves insertive anal without a condom, receptive anal with a condom, insertive with a condom, receptive no condom but without cumming in the ass, receptive fellatio and insertive fellatio as less than one in ten million in his view. The studies that exist contradict his claim that insertive anal without a condom is low risk. That's not even close to right. And while I haven't seen stats on risk of transmission for bareback without a creampie, it's likely many orders greater than 1 in ten million.

Even receptive oral is not one in ten million despite being fairly low risk. So, while I don't want to weigh in on the most serious accusations, it is bothersome to see him propagating myths about hiv transmission rates. I'm fairly certain he proposed similar numbers years ago on a thread here and was rebutted with statistics. A shame to see him as recently as 2016 telling someone something that I haven't seen any support for in order to encourage them to do something they're not comfortable with.

https://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-ri...8/#item1324093

http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-20...k-exposure-hiv

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

[GroobySteven]

I'm just asking what the actual business model is, not what I think it should be...or what you think it should be based on personal politics.

At a webmaster show in London. Will answer over the weekend or earlier when I get a break.