UK Election June 08

[blackchubby38]

I wonder what the impact of the terrorist attack in Manchester will have on the UK election. The last thing the Labor Party wants to do is appear that its weak on radical Islam.

[peejaye]

I wonder what the impact of the terrorist attack in Manchester will have on the UK election. The last thing the Labor Party wants to do is appear that its weak on radical Islam.

That's a new one? What's that all about? Even the BBC haven't come out with that one yet? Corbyn as denounced this attack as deplorable on social media. He probably wasn't ask to appear on TV to denounce it?

[Stavros]

I wonder what the impact of the terrorist attack in Manchester will have on the UK election. The last thing the Labor Party wants to do is appear that its weak on radical Islam.

What is 'radical Islam'? I could interpret the phrase to refer to Muslims who wish to go the roots of Islam and revive the original purpose of their faith, which is the definition of the word Radical, and it is possible to do that without killing anyone or anything. Some may not be aware of it, but not all Salafi advocate violence; that many do is but an example of the lack of consensus within Islam in which those who kill in the name of their religion are in a minority, albeit one that can inflict terrible damage.

As for Labour, the Conservatives today have said they see no reason to expand the police, a service they have bee cutting these past years: this is Amber Rudd, Home Secretary this morning:

Amid questions about whether there were enough armed officers to deal with incidents outside London, Rudd said she believed the police and security services had the right legislation and resources to tackle the threat facing the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-ramadan-abedi

In fact it is Labour who have proposed increasing the police service with 10,000 more officers over the life of the next Parliament, even if you set aside queries about their costing of this policy. As for Corbyn, he has stated-
“I am horrified by the horrendous events in Manchester last night. My thoughts are with families and friends of those who have died and been injured."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...terror-attack/

If anyone is facing criticism, it is the intelligence services in the USA who leaked the identity of the murderer at a time when the police and security services here had decided to keep it secret -Amber Rudd in language seen as an unusually robust and public rebuke of the Americans said

“The British police have been very clear that they want to control the flow of information in order to protect operational integrity, the element of surprise. So it is irritating if it gets released from other sources and I have been very clear with our friends that should not happen again.” [flagged at 10.15am]
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...cert-live-news

[peejaye]

They(The Tories)have also cut Border Security too although I'm not sure what the figures are?
I don't get involved in the "media furore" when something like this happens, just watch the lunchtime and early evening bulletins for an update but I haven't I seen any reports about Arena Security in Manchester & why no one as asked the question how a bomb was allowed in to a venue holding 18,000 people, many of them so young? Surely "Head of Security" should be at least interviewed with such loss of life, or have I missed something? Is something being kept from us?

[Stavros]

They(The Tories)have also cut Border Security too although I'm not sure what the figures are?
I don't get involved in the "media furore" when something like this happens, just watch the lunchtime and early evening bulletins for an update but I haven't I seen any reports about Arena Security in Manchester & why no one as asked the question how a bomb was allowed in to a venue holding 18,000 people, many of them so young? Surely "Head of Security" should be at least interviewed with such loss of life, or have I missed something? Is something being kept from us?

Strictly speaking, as the FT link argues, the attack took place just outside the Arena itself, while the other link focuses on the lack of security inside it. However, I think most security procedures in venues focus on preventing someone entering it, I am not sure they have factored in someone targeting people as they leave, but I suspect the bomber and his accomplices -I assume he was not acting alone- planned this after visiting the scene of their crime and calculating when and how to cause the most damage they could.


http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/people...s-ago-6656337/

https://www.ft.com/content/20f2c594-...6-896b95f30f58

[blackchubby38]

What is 'radical Islam'? I could interpret the phrase to refer to Muslims who wish to go the roots of Islam and revive the original purpose of their faith, which is the definition of the word Radical, and it is possible to do that without killing anyone or anything. Some may not be aware of it, but not all Salafi advocate violence; that many do is but an example of the lack of consensus within Islam in which those who kill in the name of their religion are in a minority, albeit one that can inflict terrible damage.

As for Labour, the Conservatives today have said they see no reason to expand the police, a service they have bee cutting these past years: this is Amber Rudd, Home Secretary this morning:

Amid questions about whether there were enough armed officers to deal with incidents outside London, Rudd said she believed the police and security services had the right legislation and resources to tackle the threat facing the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-ramadan-abedi

In fact it is Labour who have proposed increasing the police service with 10,000 more officers over the life of the next Parliament, even if you set aside queries about their costing of this policy. As for Corbyn, he has stated-
“I am horrified by the horrendous events in Manchester last night. My thoughts are with families and friends of those who have died and been injured."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...terror-attack/

If anyone is facing criticism, it is the intelligence services in the USA who leaked the identity of the murderer at a time when the police and security services here had decided to keep it secret -Amber Rudd in language seen as an unusually robust and public rebuke of the Americans said

“The British police have been very clear that they want to control the flow of information in order to protect operational integrity, the element of surprise. So it is irritating if it gets released from other sources and I have been very clear with our friends that should not happen again.” [flagged at 10.15am]
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...cert-live-news

Its how I refer to Muslims who commit terrorist attacks in order to spread their twisted view of their religion. I have also used the term jihadists and savages.

[trish]

But why would one choose a usage of a term(in this case the term 'radical', and only when one uses it to modify 'Islam') that is contrary to its meaning and its traditional usage, unless one intended to pervert the correct usage in order to amplify one's own prejudice and encourage the prejudices of others?

[blackchubby38]

But why would one choose a usage of a term(in this case the term 'radical', and only when one uses it to modify 'Islam') that is contrary to its meaning and its traditional usage, unless one intended to pervert the correct usage in order to amplify one's own prejudice and encourage the prejudices of others?

I meant to do neither and I'm just going to leave it at that.

[Jericho]

This is not directed at you, just a general statement.

s'cool, didn't think it was.

[Jericho]

I wonder what the impact of the terrorist attack in Manchester will have on the UK election.

Well, according to the Daily Scum, Jeremy Corbyn's directly responsible for the bombing...because he cosied up to the iRA (at least, in their first edition (they've made bigger fuck-ups since)). Well done, The Sun. Looks like you won't be selling any copies in Manchester, either!

Meanwhile, the major parties have agreed to halt electioneering, for the time being.
(Except the conservatives, who did another manifesto u-turn this morning).

Oh, and because of budget cuts, the police can't cope...So troops have been deployed!