The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[Stavros]

Virginia TV journalists shot: Suspect confirmed dead


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34068541

From what we now know about Bryce Williams, what he needed most was advice and help; what he needed least was a gun.

[martin48]

From what we now know about Bryce Williams, what he needed most was advice and help; what he needed least was a gun.

Good, if sorry, summary of where you are with gun control


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...stacles-remain

[yodajazz]

In the last two weeks here, a five year old boy, and a three year old, were killed in drive-by shootings. The city is in a deep mood, right about now.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...ral_arran.html

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...ral_arran.html

[artist1413]

Maybe I won't be popular for this, but people getting shot is not the fault of guns. I blame people growing up in broken families, apathy for education and respect for the comminity, bad parenting, the glorification of a life of crime, drugs, and the constant victim mentality that is rampant in most urban areas now. All of this is a recipe for high crime rates and unfortunately, innocent people will get hurt. It is sad because the killer(s) will probably get away with it. Why? Because there is a rule in urban environments unless the police are shooting you. The rule is SNITCHES GET STITCHES.

[trish]

Guns Don't Kill People, Bullets Do.
___this ad funded by Gun's Without Bullets.

[buttslinger]

There is a problem with telling slack jawed rednecks and hopped up gangbangers they are wrong: they don't care what you think. They actually think they have opinions and can pursue happiness as they see fit. You can't tell people they have to lock up their guns because they might hurt someone, and then say people can abort lives because that's the mother's business. Sometimes 49% of the people aren't wrong, they see things differently than the 51%. Sometimes the mother sees the transsexual in the family a lot more dangerous than her five gun totin' brothers.
Before you can eliminate Cops with guns and Armymen with bombs you have to eliminate Thieves with guns and ISIS. There are entire black neighborhoods that will not cooperate with the police because they believe that the cops represent a society that has abandoned them. Transsexuals who get jobs doing porn or prostituting themselves say it is the only way they can make it in a society that has no room for them.
Of course you can dictate from high moral ground, but you can't legislate from on high. If the People want to kill fetuses and murderers and terrorists and each other in the pursuit of a more perfect union then you can't bypass the will of the people to make them all move forward. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
In other words, if the Democrats try to tell half the country they're stupid, they will lose half the country. Not wise.

[yodajazz]

I guess this passes for good news in Cleveland. A 10 year old, who was a passenger in a car, was shot, but unlike the 3 year old earlier this week, he will live. However, he will have to live with seeing the person next to him, the car's driver killed before his eyes.

On the subject of abortion. I am against it in principle. However I also understand that i should not have the write to dictate my will, into someone else's life, especially since I have never carried a fetus inside of me. I had a practical experience once. I was visiting a woman, who had three young children, who was pregnant. She was yelling at the kids in what I viewed as a harsh manner. Meanwhile, she had a phone call and appeared to be arguing with the caller, who she said was the children's father. She did mention that she planned on terminating her pregnancy. I did feel the I was in no position to tell her how to conduct her life. I would have seen her perhaps, one more time, and that was it. So who are we to tell someone else, how to live their life. I see so many people complain about the public having to support children.

[AshlynCreamher]

PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Interesting that 99.9% of all gun crimes are committed by criminals and not law abiding citizens

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

[trish]

Interesting that 99.9% of all gun crimes are committed by criminals and not law abiding citizens

Isn't this a tautology? It's also the case that all accidental shootings involving guns involve accidental interactions between people and guns.

Gun ownership is not a God given right nor a natural right, as guns are a relatively recent invention definitely post- dating God and the evolution of terrestrial primates. Indeed it is the second amendment that creates the (rather outdated) right to bare arms for the purposes of maintaining State militias.

[buttslinger]

I just saw on MEET THE PRESS a Reporter saying that as far as abortion goes, the Republicans are going to "die on that hill" which means I think that although abortion is really a terrible thing, even most Republicans feel deep down they don't want to raise a million kids that their own Mothers don't even want. Being a GOOD PERSON is hard fucking work. The Republicans are only talking up this issue now because Hillary IS pro-choice incarnate, and they want to throw bloody fetuses on her pants suit.
Back to guns, nobody is going to argue that they do bad things, but just like booze, and drugs, and laziness and greed, people like their vices. The War on Drugs was a dismal failure. Even if gun laws close loopholes and outlaw 100 round banana clips, murder rates will still soar in Chicago.
Cigarettes ....I used to smoke 'em, but I'm glad they've been quietly taxed and litigated out of fashion. I think it will be easier to litigate sugary foods out of existence than guns. But that can only happen with a Democratic Congress and Presidency. You have to choose your battles. You have to have them won before they're even fought. It has to be carried out under the public's radar. And gun control in the USA is a losing fight. These Yanks be crazy, Bro.