Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[Ben]

Scientists Take Issue With Rupert Murdoch’s Remarks on Climate Change:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...te-change.html

[ohioguy13]

all bullshit

[Ben]

all bullshit

It's probably worth taking a conservative approach.
And, too, if one thinks it's "bullshit," well, who's behind perpetuating this idea that global warming is completely fallacious????
Who invented this storyline that it's all untrue????
Because there's a massive corporate propaganda campaign to convince the American populace that it is, yes, all bullshit. It certainly serves very narrow interests: like the oil and gas sector. Plus they have to. By law. Corporations must, again, by law, maximize shareholder return. So, again, it's in their interest. And they can't concern themselves with future generations.
Ya know, we're collectively saying, because of global warming, that future generations have absolutely no value. None.
Global temperatures are rising. But what's very worrisome is the rapidity of the change. Unless you think it's merely an engineering problem and we can deal with the rapid rise in worldwide temperatures.
So, yes, a 3 degrees change in temperature, well, we can deal with that -- over thousands of years. Now we're talking decades.
OK, if it's all "bullshit" then we've spent a bit of money doing things we should do. But say it isn't bullshit. Then what?
We're effectively playing a game with the fate of the species!

Soaring Meat Consumption Bigger Problem Than Thought

Eating meat is turning up the heat:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...-thought-study

[trish]

Fundamentalist Christians welcome global warming; it's just one of the frills that will accompany the glorious end times. The plus side for libertarian ideologues is the deterioration of government that will consequentially follow global climate change. It's all good news...depending on how bent one's particular POV. "Bullshit" is simply the response of an uncreative mind that can't even be bothered with understanding and why and wherefore of his own biases and opinions.

[martin48]

So what's the point of hell for us heathens? We all burn to death before the Final Day of Judgement.

Fundamentalist Christians welcome global warming; it's just one of the frills that will accompany the glorious end times. The plus side for libertarian ideologues is the deterioration of government that will consequentially follow global climate change. It's all good news...depending on how bent one's particular POV. "Bullshit" is simply the response of an uncreative mind that can't even be bothered with understanding and why and wherefore of his own biases and opinions.

[trish]

Hell is so we can burn for life after we burn to death.

[fred41]

it's gonna suck saying-"Oooooooooh, hot, hot,hot,hot,hot,hot,hot,hot,hot.......!!!" forever and ever.

[ohioguy13]

Its a combination of a lot of folks trying to keep wealth in the east coast. Natural gas which is going for 12 bucks a foot in Europe keeps Russia going if we could export all the excess of which we have a shit load to Europe, it would hurt putin. It would also double every heating bill up and down the eastern seaboard during a tough winter. Washington doesn't want that wealth coming to places like western pa or west Virginia or Kentucky because then more development would come and more votes in congress and more power so instead we sit on the largest supply of energy and twittle our thumbs oh yeah when they said it 20 years ago it was coal that was bad what do we do now? ship that to china so they can burn it no one really cares about the environment if they did why wouldn't we export build the pipeline and get the entire country out of the shitter? it will be no coincidence that both pres candidates are from new York area they have their interests staked out.

[trish]

Its a combination of a lot of folks trying to keep wealth in the east coast...

and...what? A combination is an interaction of two or more things.

Natural gas which is going for 12 bucks a foot

A foot of natural gas?? Even if you meant per cubic foot, you're way off. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-from-russia/

It would also double every heating bill up and down the eastern seaboard during a tough winter.

You're somewhat obsessed with the Eastern seaboard. Winters are even harder in the north central states whose climates are not moderated by ocean currents.

Washington doesn't want that wealth coming to places like western pa or west Virginia or Kentucky because then more development would come and more votes in congress and more power

Yeah, Congress (which is held by the Republicans) doesn't want those conservative States like West Virginia and Kentucky to have any more political power than they already have.

so instead we sit on the largest supply of energy and twittle our thumbs

Who's sitting? Fracking is the thing of the present. We're producing natural gas out our collective wahzoos. We achieved, with fracking, energy independence in less than a decade. Of course we're also burning up and/or selling this natural resource at a phenomenal rate. I would've thought it would be a better strategy to burn up everybody else's fossil fuels first and reserve ours. But that would be long term thinking.

20 years ago it was coal that was bad what do we do now? ship that to china so they can burn it no one really cares about the environment

You're half right. Our energy policy never fully addressed the long term issues of energy and climate. If we don't soon, it'll be too late.

export build the pipeline and get the entire country out of the shitter?

By THE pipeline, I suppose you mean the XL-pipeline. You do realize it's a Canadian company that would own the crude that would be transported through that pipe, and it would be exported to Latin America. Our cut would be minimal (it would create some construction jobs while it's being built) and we would take all the risk to our Midwestern aquifers. Even the conservative governor of Nebraska is against it for just the risk to its fresh water sources.

You claim anthropogenic climate change is "bullshit." When criticized for that "educated" opinion on a scientific issue, instead of addressing the science, you spout political nonsense. You have yet to give an rational critique of what you think is "bullshit." You have yet to address the fundamental science that you seem to think is in error.

[Ben]

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Climate Change Debate: