Roots and consequences of Ukraine's violence

[runningdownthatdream]

It is wonderful to see how Americas Neanderthal class express themselves. I was going to say think, but thought is a little too complex for such an unevolved being.

Prospero see my post in the Malaysia Airlines conspiracy thread - Envivision isn't American. It appears he's from Quebec. So not only is he a troll, he's a troll with an identity crisis. Quebec provincial politics is the most corrupt and degenerate in North America not to mention their business practices (which would embarrass Wall Street) so it's quite rich of Envivision to involve himself in American politics, denigrate Obama, and advocate military force against Russia. If bad politics, racist and bigoted attitudes and legislation, and aggressive behaviour were cause for military force then Quebec should be invaded and brought to the yoke - again

[Ben]

How Cold War-Hungry Neocons Stage Managed RT Anchor Liz Wahl’s Resignation:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...ation_20140319

[Dino Velvet]

It is wonderful to see America's Neanderthal

[Dino Velvet]

http://news.yahoo.com/controversy-ov...164225091.html

Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

By Dmytro Gorshkov 1 hour ago

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine's former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko was plunged into fresh controversy on Tuesday after Russian television broadcast a tape where she is heard urging the "wiping out" of Russians over Moscow's seizure of Crimea.
Tymoshenko, a hugely controversial figure both in Ukraine and Russia who was released from jail last month, confirmed the voice was hers but said some of the comments had been manipulated.
"This really crosses all the boundaries," Tymoshenko is heard to say in the leaked phone call posted on YouTube and broadcast extensively on Russian television Monday.
"One has to take up arms and go wipe out these damn 'katsaps' together with their leader," the voice said in Russian, without mentioning Putin by name.
The word "katsap" is a derogatory Ukrainian term for Russians.
During the conversation, Tymoshenko is said to discuss Russia's seizure of Ukraine's Russian-speaking peninsula of Crimea with Ukrainian MP and former government official Nestor Shufrych.
Tymoshenko, who spent three years in jail on what her supporters say were politically motivated charges of abuse of power before being freed last month, said if she were in power Moscow would not be able to take the peninsula.
"I am sorry that I am not able to be there and am not in charge of these processes, they wouldn't have had a fucking chance of getting Crimea off me."
"I would have found a way to finish off these bastards," the 53-year-old leader of the 2004 pro-democracy Orange revolution was heard as saying.
"I am hoping that I will use all my connections and will get the whole world to rise up so that not even scorched earth would be left of Russia."
Discussing the fate of Ukraine's eight million ethnic Russians with Shufrych, Tymoshenko was also heard as saying that they should be "nuked".
'Apologies for expletives'
"The conversation took place but (the part) about 8 million Russians in Ukraine is a montage," Tymoshenko said on Twitter.
"In fact I said: 'Russians in Ukraine are Ukrainians. Cheers to FSB," she said, referring to the Russian security service which she clearly believes were behind the bugging of the phone call.
"Apologies for the expletives," she added.
Tymoshenko is heard speaking Russian. The ex-premier puts huge emphasis on speaking only Ukrainian in public even though she grew up speaking Russian.
Tymoshenko is widely seen as the most charismatic figure in the fractured Ukrainian opposition movement.
However signs have emerged that she would have to fight hard to claw back support to return to big-time politics as opposition infighting intensifies ahead of a presidential election in May.
"Yulia Volodymyrovna pissed on herself," Crimea's pro-Moscow prime minister Sergei Aksyonov quipped on Twitter, referring to the ex prime minister by her name and patronymic.
Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov refused to comment on the leaked phone call.
"Timoshenko conceded that part of it was genuine but I cannot say what is the truth and what is not," he said.
Russian officials did not mince words however.
"The old death cap (mushroom) is trying to keep up with young toadstools," tweeted Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, referring to a new generation of far-right anti-Moscow activists in Ukraine.
Two lawmakers with Russia's Communist party have formally asked investigators to conduct a probe into the leaked tape.
In February, a leaked phone call was posted on YouTube and broadcast on Russian state television in which Washington's top diplomat in Europe, Victoria Nuland, was heard swearing about the EU's handling of the Ukraine crisis.
Washington has said at the time that Russian special services were behind the leak which was accompanied by Russian-language captions.
Russia sent troops to Crimea after a popular uprising ousted Tymoshenko's nemesis president Viktor Yanukovych from power last month and last week formally made it part of Russian territory.

"I am sorry that I am not able to be there and am not in charge of these processes, they wouldn't have had a fucking chance of getting Crimea off me."

"I would have found a way to finish off these bastards."

"I am hoping that I will use all my connections and will get the whole world to rise up so that not even scorched earth would be left of Russia."

[runningdownthatdream]

http://news.yahoo.com/controversy-ov...164225091.html


"I am sorry that I am not able to be there and am not in charge of these processes, they wouldn't have had a fucking chance of getting Crimea off me."

"I would have found a way to finish off these bastards."

"I am hoping that I will use all my connections and will get the whole world to rise up so that not even scorched earth would be left of Russia."

Talk about pointless yet inflammatory rhetoric. She couldn't avoid being thrown in jail by Yanukovic nor could her supporters even get him to acquiesce on allowing her medical treatment but had she been in charge of things she would have stopped the #2 military power int he world? These so-called leaders are an embarrassment. No wonder they all hate Putin who's a man that at least does what he says.

[buttslinger]

The hatred between Ukraine and Russia goes all the way back to when Stalin used to execute Ukrainian peasants just so they wouldn't even think of disobeying. You have to be careful when you get in the middle of Indians and Pakistanis, or Palestinians and Israelis. You might get hurt.

I like Obama focusing on stopping a nuclear suitcase bomb going off in New York City. Putin can be punished for invading Crimea, but you can't un-do a mushroom cloud in Central Park.

[Dino Velvet]

The hatred between Ukraine and Russia goes all the way back to when Stalin used to execute Ukrainian peasants just so they wouldn't even think of disobeying. You have to be careful when you get in the middle of Indians and Pakistanis, or Palestinians and Israelis. You might get hurt.

I like Obama focusing on stopping a nuclear suitcase bomb going off in New York City. Putin can be punished for invading Crimea, but you can't un-do a mushroom cloud in Central Park.

I still say if Russia grabs Crimea Russia takes potential Russian support out of Ukraine which goes along with the peninsula. I would imagine that would position Ukraine closer to the West. Might be difficult to quiet down those Slavs especially the nationalist types. Putin still needs to keep his guard up against the Jihadis from underneath him too. Will cost lots of money being especially costly if the economy/currency is vulnerable.

The Republicans don't have a better plan as their strategy is basically to be as much against the Democrats as the Democrats would be against them if they were in the same position.

[runningdownthatdream]

I still say if Russia grabs Crimea Russia takes potential Russian support out of Ukraine which goes along with the peninsula. I would imagine that would position Ukraine closer to the West. Might be difficult to quiet down those Slavs especially the nationalist types. Putin still needs to keep his guard up against the Jihadis from underneath him too. Will cost lots of money being especially costly if the economy/currency is vulnerable.

The Republicans don't have a better plan as their strategy is basically to be as much against the Democrats as the Democrats would be against them if they were in the same position.

You could be right unless those natural gas, oil, and mineral resources that Crimea have are successfully exploited. In which case Russia wins in a big way AND Crimea ostensibly becomes a self-supporting region. I suspect the Russians already assessed Crimea's value - beyond the simple cultural and national interest - and know exactly what they're getting.

[Dino Velvet]

You could be right unless those natural gas, oil, and mineral resources that Crimea have are successfully exploited. In which case Russia wins in a big way AND Crimea ostensibly becomes a self-supporting region. I suspect the Russians already assessed Crimea's value - beyond the simple cultural and national interest - and know exactly what they're getting.

Very true as well.

[dderek123]

Also the Russian navy base in the Crimea is kind of a big deal. It's Vladdy's only navy base for the Black Sea. He doesn't want to give that up so taking that region for Russia will lock it down. No more lease payments!



edit: It isn't the only one.

Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia