Head of Mormon Church Summoned to Appear in Court in London

[buttslinger]

IF......

You are in an organized religion where you believe that by loving God you will most assuredly fly through the plate of this earth and re-unite with a God that is the future of all mankind, the Father of us all, the peace that defies all understanding, then it's not so hard to understand why blind faith is so important. Like a version of a Zen Monastery where you completely ignore the world until enlightenment, then you understand.
No one who has seen God is going to tell you it wasn't that great, and unless you fall off your horse and see God through a heat stroke, you'll never see God unless you make a determined effort to see God.
You have to admit Jamie has imagination off the charts. You should never let the facts get in the way of a great story!!!

[Stavros]

Foreign government attempting to charge an American with a crime for their religious beliefs. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Monson should just pick up a good old American AR-15 and tell the Redcoat scum to come and get him. Just because England doesn't have a Bill of Rights, doesn't mean we don't either. It's called the 1st Amendment, which protects religious liberty. The United Kingdom can go fuck itself.

Additionally, this opens up a flood of BS foreign criminal prosecutions and suits against sovereign American citizens for a multitude of things that are "illegal" under the laws in said foreign countries. Imagine getting a summons to appear in Saudi court for being transsexual.

1) The summons has been issues by Westminster Magistrates Court, not by the Government of the United Kingdom; and

2) A Bill of Rights was passed by the United Kingdom Parliament in 1689, which means it preceded the Bill of Rights presented to the US Congress in 1789. I think that is a gap of 100 years, but maths is not my strongest feature so you might want to double check it. I could be out by a few months.

[SammiValentine]

I know this is meant to be serious, but this is good

[Stavros]

Sammi, I am sure I speak for many when I say your barbed interjections are always welcome...

[SammiValentine]

Sammi, I am sure I speak for many when I say your barbed interjections are always welcome...

its my gift for you all, dear sir.

[robertlouis]

1) The summons has been issues by Westminster Magistrates Court, not by the Government of the United Kingdom; and

2) A Bill of Rights was passed by the United Kingdom Parliament in 1689, which means it preceded the Bill of Rights presented to the US Congress in 1789. I think that is a gap of 100 years, but maths is not my strongest feature so you might want to double check it. I could be out by a few months.

I suppose you could add in the sadly too-typical American reaction of "Fuck debate, where's my gun?", but that would be churlish, wouldn't it?

[robertlouis]

its my gift for you all, dear sir.

Nice avatar missy. Now, what were you saying?

Oops, deja vu, deja dit.

[TSBootyLondon]

Going off of the topic slightly but keeping in with the Mormons....

I rescued a Chihuahua about 12 months ago.. I couldn't house train her for love nor money, couldn't keep her in the house no matter how much I tried, even at night she wanted to be outside... so I gave in and let her have her way... she lived happily outside at a friends yard alongside a Rottweiler (They adored each other)... she was in her element... she had warmth, food and 24/7 company ...

Anyway..... she was stollen by a Mormon 3 months ago!

We checked the CCTV footage when we realised she had gone and wow and behold the Morman nabbed her!

I did confront him, he denied it until I mentioned the CCTV, he then confessed yet refused to give her back!

x

Thought I'd share.... back to your discussion!

[Stavros]

Are you sure you don't mean Moron? How would have known the person who took the dog as a Mormon, and isn't that against their faith? Or maybe they thought the dogs as abandoned? Weird, but if you choose to live in London, this is what happens....

[kittyKaiti]

I suppose you could add in the sadly too-typical American reaction of "Fuck debate, where's my gun?", but that would be churlish, wouldn't it?

I don't think there's anything to debate regarding an individual's personal right to freedom of religious belief being attacked by a court system under the threat of a "warrant for arrest" for not appearing to respond to such a ludicrous and unconstitutional foreign assault on the first amendment. The entire suit and charge of fraud is not about money, finances, bribery or extortion. It's about the religion's Christian beliefs of creationism being tantamount to fraud according to this court case. The fact the British court itself has the audacity to threaten an American citizen with arrest for ignoring such an absurd summons is laughable. The day foreign court systems start summoning Americans to defend themselves against allegations of criminal conduct only illegal in said foreign country is a dark day for liberty.