Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[GroobyKrissy]

What do you mean Bella isn't here to defend herself anymore?

Sorry... I thought this was common knowledge. Sorry mods.

[iagodelgado]

I am convinced of this: Transsexuals will NEVER, and I mean NEVER accomplish anything towards anything even resembling equality or acceptance without two things (in this order):

1. Unifying as a whole with the Transgender community
2. Mainstream backing

That is simple strategy. Someone has to step up and try to pull the edges together and fit the puzzle pieces in. I am trying to help accomplish that goal. The LGB crowd did exactly that, put aside their differences and unified... and have largely WON. To them, if you're gay... you're gay. They stand largely united with few petty differences. The "T" crowd has been left behind because it eats itself.

Historically, it did not happen like this.

Pre-Stonewall, one movement of straight cross-dressers had split from the rest, using the simple notion that they would more chance of getting cross-dressing accepted if they left behind the categories society would not accept, namely homosexuals (whether CDs or not) and transsexuals.

A year after Stonewall, in the very first rights movements, gays were complaining about the 'queens' in the parade i.e. cross-dressers and transsexuals, on the basis that they would never get acceptance for gays with that sort of baggage in tow. Going solo they largely won, leaving the others to their devices.

Various movements have tried uniting those left behind, the 'queens', while others preferred to try to make progress by going separate ways.

This is not the thread to discuss properly whether more progress will be made with the CDs and TSs united, and/or linked to GLB, or separate. If you fancy batting that around, perhaps you'll start another thread, and I'll chip in more info.

But briefly, based on evidence, I conclude that both CDs and TSs would make more progress separately, with TS keeping gay at arm's length. There is a lot of hard medical evidence for genetic and biological factors in TS. I am not aware of any decent research into CDs.

It isn't a case of whether one group is superior. It is a case of difference.

[GroobyKrissy]

Historically, it did not happen like this.

Pre-Stonewall, one movement of straight cross-dressers had split from the rest, using the simple notion that they would more chance of getting cross-dressing accepted if they left behind the categories society would not accept, namely homosexuals (whether CDs or not) and transsexuals.

A year after Stonewall, in the very first rights movements, gays were complaining about the 'queens' in the parade i.e. cross-dressers and transsexuals, on the basis that they would never get acceptance for gays with that sort of baggage in tow. Going solo they largely won, leaving the others to their devices.

Various movements have tried uniting those left behind, the 'queens', while others preferred to try to make progress by going separate ways.

This is not the thread to discuss properly whether more progress will be made with the CDs and TSs united, and/or linked to GLB, or separate. If you fancy batting that around, perhaps you'll start another thread, and I'll chip in more info.

But briefly, based on evidence, I conclude that both CDs and TSs would make more progress separately, with TS keeping gay at arm's length. There is a lot of hard medical evidence for genetic and biological factors in TS. I am not aware of any decent research into CDs.

It isn't a case of whether one group is superior. It is a case of difference.

The point of this thread, I think, has been a bit lost on everyone. It was a specific and targeted question for a reason that has been asked/answered.

OK, I feel you're a bit wandering. Did you have a question in quoting me?

You have used the following terms here:

straight cross-dressers
homosexuals
CDs
transsexuals
gays
queens
TSs
GLB

What is your point?

The stuff about "medical evidence" is pure nonsense. CD's are male... there is plenty of research on males... psychologically, biologically... and just about any other "ally". What is the point of that?

If your main point is the last couple of sentences. I disagree... because the difference is based in superiority... the two cannot be separated in the context I am using them.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't like tgirl...but I also don't like transgender either

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't like tgirl...but I also don't like transgender either due to it being too broad. I like trans-woman or transsexual.

I don't feel crossdressers/transvestites/drag queens should be under the umbrella due to them being CIS people not suffering from dysphoria I feel it confuses the public on what a trans-woman really is and enforces the fact we are dressing up for thrills and laughs.

Tgirls is also a popular term crossdressers have owned now for quite sometime at parties/groups/social slang.

It's not about being better or higher spectrum it's about making people understand a trans-woman/man who has gone through transition is not doing it for fun, sex, or laughs. Many people think/confuse us and assume we get hard ons from wearing panties or are sexual deviants.

[EvonRose]

Why do many just refuse to call it a she/ her. Why do they have to be specifically addressed by their dysphoria? It's male or female you pick with the appropriate box.

[GroobySteven]

Why do many just refuse to call it a she/ her. Why do they have to be specifically addressed by their dysphoria? It's male or female you pick with the appropriate box.

I don't think that's the issue Evon. Clearly, we'd address you as a she/her/Ms. but for some situations a definition has to be drawn. For example, this board couldn't be called a "Board for girls" as it would bring in the wrong group.

[simonisthebest]

simon come to the uk and see for yourself just go on any number of tv/cd site, swinging site etc .. cd are referred as tranny, tranny is a catch them all phrase over here . Libertyknowsbest

its just Internet, that stuff only need a update anyway,real people know about tranny & crossdresser just by a picture,

i know the difference between libertyharkness ,kelly shore or sammi valentine with that other person who keep postin on this thread & look Asian

[GroobySteven]

It's not about being better or higher spectrum it's about making people understand a trans-woman/man who has gone through transition is not doing it for fun, sex, or laughs. Many propel think/confuse us and assume we get hard ons from wearing panties or are sexual deviants.

... well said.
This should also include girls who are very early in transition and WANT/DESIRE to transition but haven't went through it yet. So it's a state of mind and not a sexual kick.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I honestly don't mind Shemale/chick with dick for porn for googling purposes..

If someone is wanting to research trans-people on a serious level I wouldn't want a bunch of porn popping up.

At least when they type in transsexual/transgender psychological studies/right groups pop up.

Girls that go crazy over this I understand why, but they also need to think of it by internet searching/tags