Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[GroobySteven]

Nothing.

~BB~

Then why make a comment about "not expecting me to change anything"?
I don't understand - what am I doing now that's a problem - and what would you have me change?

[GroobyKrissy]

Oh, and you still haven't answered any of my very legitimate criticisms of you. I'm not impressed by your attempts at distraction.

~BB~

If this is directed at me. List your "legitimate criticisms" and I'll address them point by point in detail. Unlike you, I'm not afraid at all of discussion. In point of fact, it is you who dodge incessantly, throwing back insults because you have no logical grounds on which to base an argument and sending messages in PM because you're a coward to say them out loud, right here, right now. If you let the public know who you really were... this is why you're a coward.

Look we know where this is going so I'll save you the trouble.

Bella's next post (if this was indeed directed towards me):

I'm not going to list them. You're too stoopid to figure it out. You haven't answered anything and you drone on and on. I'm smart. You're not. You're wasting my time and I've got a business to run. I have a worldwide brand and I don't have the time to sit and argue with silly crossdressers.

I'm brave. Poor me... everyone bullies and picks on me. I'm just being an independent woman and standing strong against all this oppression being ladled upon me. Nobody understands what I go through every day. Being me is hard.

OK, I took some poetic license with the second part. Pretty much the first part though.

[BellaBellucci]

You've a core misunderstanding here.

Nobody OWNS a word. I choose not to use the N-word because I RESPECT (something you know nothing about) Black people enough to realize it carries with it a history of PROVABLE violence, oppression, and literal slavery. I might add, if you're doing it (not using the word) out of fear of a beat-down, your motives are incorrect since fear is a motivator based on punishment or pain and not respect.

NOT choosing to use a word out of respect isn't giving up "ownership" of it. It is simply respecting the wishes and desires of the individuals involved.

So the n-word is not OK, but 'tranny' is? Even though the only difference between the two groups is a HISTORY (not a current condition) of physical slavery on the part of blacks (even as many argue that ANY oppression is slavery - especially that suffered by trans women), while very often IN OUR CURRENT DAY AND AGE trans women are also violently beaten by people utilizing words of hate simply because they're different.

Wow. Double-standard, much?!

Look, it's obvious to me why you like the word so much. As a crossdresser, the word 'tranny' replacing the word 'man' is a sort-of upgrade for you. But from my perspective as a woman who lives in the heteronormative world, it's a downgrade. Your identity is trans, and despite my history of transition, mine is not. I'm not trying to disrespect you for that, but you would disrespect me because I'm not as queer as you or others?

And people wonder why there are so many trans-separatists out there.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

sending messages in PM because you're a coward to say them out loud, right here, right now.

THAT'S what the coward thing was about? You're totally underthinking this. Publically saying what I said to you in private would have been a board rule violation. I'm not falling for that trap. Cowardice has NOTHING to do with it. Everyone here knows I can't stand you. So what?

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

So the n-word is not OK, but 'tranny' is? Even though the only difference between the two groups is a HISTORY (not a current condition) of physical slavery on the part of blacks (even as many argue that ANY oppression is slavery - especially that suffered by trans women), while very often IN OUR CURRENT DAY AND AGE trans women are also violently beaten by people utilizing words of hate simply because they're different.

Wow. Double-standard, much?!

Look, it's obvious to me why you like the word so much. As a crossdresser, the word 'tranny' replacing the word 'man' is a sort-of upgrade for you. But from my perspective as a woman who lives in the heteronormative world, it's a downgrade. Your identity is trans, and despite my history of transition, mine is not. I'm not trying to disrespect you for that, but you would disrespect me because I'm not as queer as you or others?

And people wonder why there are so many trans-separatists out there.

~BB~

PROVABLE history... PROVABLE.

I asked you in the other thread... PROVE THE DIRECT CORRELATION. You have yet to do so and cited some stupid excuse as to why you could not.

A video of the "Precious" (I'm not going to attempt spelling her name from memory!) girl hardly proves your point.

So, you say your legitimate criticisms aren't being answered. I've already stated I will answer ALL things you list as criticism point by point.

You answer this one:

PROVE there is a DIRECT CORRELATION (that is, "cause and effect" relationship) between usage of the word "Tranny" and the things you cited (murder, suicide, homelessness, poverty, etc. etc.).

I'm waiting.

[BellaBellucci]

Then why make a comment about "not expecting me to change anything"?
I don't understand - what am I doing now that's a problem - and what would you have me change?

Well, I'd like you to transition the niche towards using less controversial terminology, but I don't expect you to. But really Krissy is the one who brought it up in claiming that I see this as some kind of win/lose game. Talk to her.

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

THAT'S what the coward thing was about? You're totally underthinking this. Publically saying what I said to you in private would have been a board rule violation. I'm not falling for that trap. Cowardice has NOTHING to do with it. Everyone here knows I can't stand you. So what?

~BB~

It is sheer and utter cowardice to PM someone and say the things you say when you won't say them publicly. I think ANYONE will agree to that.

It is even more so when you admit readily that you only do it privately because you want to keep yourself from being banned here.

It is the very definition of the word "cowardly".

[dderek123]

[BellaBellucci]

PROVABLE history... PROVABLE.

I asked you in the other thread... PROVE THE DIRECT CORRELATION. You have yet to do so and cited some stupid excuse as to why you could not.

A video of the "Precious" (I'm not going to attempt spelling her name from memory!) girl hardly proves your point.

So, you say your legitimate criticisms aren't being answered. I've already stated I will answer ALL things you list as criticism point by point.

You answer this one:

PROVE there is a DIRECT CORRELATION (that is, "cause and effect" relationship) between usage of the word "Tranny" and the things you cited (murder, suicide, homelessness, poverty, etc. etc.).

I'm waiting.

I'm not going to bog this down with a million sources and grant you your semantic (read: distractive) argument, but one quick jaunt over to the Transgender Law Center should give you all the numbers you need to prove the COMMON KNOWLEDGE that trans people are violently oppressed.

http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resour...sfactsheet.pdf

Of course, you wouldn't know anything about it because you're not actually trans. Again, how's that male privilege working out for you?

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

It is sheer and utter cowardice to PM someone and say the things you say when you won't say them publicly. I think ANYONE will agree to that.

It is even more so when you admit readily that you only do it privately because you want to keep yourself from being banned here.

It is the very definition of the word "cowardly".

So now you think I'm dumb enough to let you taunt me into doing something to have action taken against me? Wow, for someone who's such a bully, you are REALLY bad at it!

Bye, Felicia. I'm done with you. Twist my words all you like. Those who really care will read what I actually wrote.

~BB~