I think all straight men like shemales.

[morim]

I'm really a straight man, and I really like every kind of girl, T or not T!!!!

[bluesoul]

Actually, your statement "blood doesn't lie" infers that every woman with XY chromosomes is less of a woman than those with XX. So, essentially every woman on this board isn't a woman? Lol. Hm, ok.

it's not my comment. i said it's a law enforcement comment. if you take someone's blood (considering it's not contaminated) you have someone's DNA and from that you can determine gender despite XY chromosomes or XX.

most women on this board are transsexual women, which is different from a natal women, and also different from crossdressers who are here too.

[maddygirl]

it's not my comment. i said it's a law enforcement comment. if you take someone's blood (considering it's not contaminated) you have someone's DNA and from that you can determine gender despite XY chromosomes or XX.

most women on this board are transsexual women, which is different from a natal women, and also different from crossdressers who are here too.

Then, tell me how exactly you can determine gender from blood if chromosomes aren't a factor? You can't. There is NO way of determining gender without chromsomes, therefore, there is no fool-proof way of determining gender. Full stop.

[bluesoul]

If and when I meet one that i think can be serious about a relationship, I will...until that happens, there's no reason to.

but you said all sexually active men are. so your parents think you're not sexually active?

[bluesoul]

Then, tell me how exactly you can determine gender from blood if chromosomes aren't a factor? You can't.

wrong. you can:

1). carbon dating
2). assessment of hipbone
3). ct scan

also, if you wanna get really physical

4). assessment of hypothalamus

no full stops necessary

[maddygirl]

wrong. you can:

1). carbon dating
2). assessment of hipbone
3). ct scan

also, if you wanna get really physical

4). assessment of hypothalamus

no full stops necessary

Again, you're not telling me how you can determine gender. A lot of transwomen have more narrow hip bones than XX women. Does that not make them women? You're giving no proof of gender determination. Lol. I don't think you get it.

[dderek123]

That's interesting about using carbon dating to determine sex. I had to google forensic anthropology to find out more about it.

"Sex
One of the initial factors to determine when identifying a set of human remains is the sex of the individual. There are numerous features of the human skeleton that can be studied to help establish this, the most obvious being the pelvic bone. Women generally have proportionally wider pubic bones than men to allow room for a baby’s head to pass through during childbirth. In most cases a female will bear a sub-pubic angle of more than 90 degrees, whilst the sub-pubic angle of a male’s pubic bone will generally be less than 90 degrees. The use of the pelvic bone alone has proved extremely precise in establishing sex, with an accuracy of up to 95% (Byers, 2002). However this is not a useful indicator when determining the sex of a pre-pubescent child, as the pelvic bone in girls is yet to widen, thus meaning there is a lack of sexual dimorphism between the sexes.

The skull is equally beneficial in the establishment of sex. A male’s skull will generally have a more rounded supraorbital margin, or brow ridge, and a bony glabella, the portion of bone between the eyebrows and nose. The mastoid process, behind the ear, is larger, the mandible more squared, and the forehead slightly backwards-slanting. The nasal cavity of a male will be longer and narrower. In contrast, a skull belonging to a female will have a sharper supraorbital margin and a smooth glabella. The mastoid process will be smaller in size, the mandible less squared, and the forehead more rounded. A female will generally display a slightly wider, pear-shaped nasal cavity. Though slightly less accurate in identifying sex than the pelvic bone (80-90% using the skull, according to Byers (2002), the skull is still greatly beneficial in sex determination.

There are additional though less accurate points of identification. Males tend to have larger, heavier, and more rugged bones in general, with slightly larger ends to support stronger muscles. Sex is generally easier to establish if the racial background of the victim is known, due to differences between different ethnic groups. "

http://forensicsciencecentral.co.uk/anthropology.shtml

[bluesoul]

I don't think you get it.

actually, i do (now) and i see my mistake

the problem here is that we're uncertain (or rather we haven't made it clear) what is necessary and sufficient to be categorized as a woman. at least, up to this point, i'm not sure it's been done

personally, i take sociocultural as well as epigenetic effects to contribute to the position of the gender spectrum as well as genetics. so i wouldn't consider it to be completely something you can define in terms of "needs to meet this qualifications" since there are societies that don't have male or female.

in that case, there is a relationship betwix gender someone identifies with, the sex they are being overlaid onto that

[Jdor]

I came across this thread via Google as I wanted to know other opinions in regards to straight guys and shemales/tgirls/transforms, I see that this thread started and probably finished many years ago but I'm hoping that people still see it as I'd like to follow up on the debate, weigh in and also agree with what other people have said so this is my thought process.

For a moment we shall cast aside the genitalia and just focus on the initial visuals.

Mtf trans- looks like a woman
Ftm trans- looks like a man
Especially if they've undergone certain hormonal treatment/surgery.

So as others have said, a straight man will obviously be attracted to a woman and visa versa. A gay man will be attracted to a man and a gay woman attracted to a woman. Unfortunately I do not know any transgender people at this time so I can't confirm whom they are attracted to.

So to follow up on the above, again forgetting about what's between the legs, a straight man will be attracted to a ftm Trans because they look like a woman and also a straight woman would be attracted to a ftm Trans because they look like a man. Now these straight people upon seeing these trans people have probably already imagined sex with them based upon how they physically look. A lot of straight men enjoy giving anal to a woman, so I believe most of them could honestly see past a penis or the transgirl and still want to have sex with them anyway as they've already thought about it before knowing what they have, yeah they may not want to touch the penis or take it either but in regards to having sex with what looks like a woman especially if they've had surgery/hormone treatment I think they'd do it. Same goes for a straight woman with a ftm Trans, all the fmt would have to do is wear a strap on and it would just be the same as having a guy on top of you , yeah women will feel the difference in having a fake penis inside of them than a real one, but if they're so attracted to the visual of the man on top then I also think they could see past that they have a vagina (of they haven't gone that far in surgery that is)

At the end of the day, labels should be scrapped and to finalise my point, a straight man shouldn't feel gay about finding a transgirl attractive because they don't look like a man. Let's be honest, any straight guy that doesn't find ts pornstar Jane marie attractive is crazy, if you was to see her in the street and not know who she was you wouldn't think twice about wanting to fuck her.

That's all

[must93]

In today's world does it really matter? If two people can enjoy life together who cares.