Whiskey Or Heroin?

[speedking59]

i don't think there is a mood altering substance on earth that i haven't tried at some time or the other. i've probably forgotten more about drugs than most people ever discover. alcohol was my main drug of choice at the end of my substance career. i was fond of Irish whiskeys. as to the question, if money was no object i would choose heroin. in my opinion it is not as physically damaging as alcohol. it's usually the lifestyle (scrambling to get money to cop, etc.) that kills one, not the drug itself.

[Stavros]

i don't think there is a mood altering substance on earth that i haven't tried at some time or the other. i've probably forgotten more about drugs than most people ever discover. alcohol was my main drug of choice at the end of my substance career. i was fond of Irish whiskeys. as to the question, if money was no object i would choose heroin. in my opinion it is not as physically damaging as alcohol. it's usually the lifestyle (scrambling to get money to cop, etc.) that kills one, not the drug itself.

Sorry mate, but the truth is both can be equally destructive so to choose one over the other is like preferring a firing squad to a hanging. Many, many years ago I worked in the casualty dept of a hospital and saw people die from an overdose of heroin. I also saw a woman vomit up blood -and whatever else was left in her insides- quite literally by the bucketful until she died, having been told in advance that if she had another bottle of whisky her stomach wall would collapse and her life with it. So she did it. I don't know if you have ever seen someone's insides belching out into a yellow bucket. Once was enough.

A wee dram after dinner is to my mind civilised and life enhancing; opening the bottle at 10am is not. Sticking needles into one's arm for pleasure, or 'chasing the dragon' is of mythical value -in the long run we are all dead, why rush out to meet it?

[bluesoul]

I also saw a woman vomit up blood -and whatever else was left in her insides- quite literally by the bucketful until she died, having been told in advance that if she had another bottle of whisky her stomach wall would collapse and her life with it. So she did it.

was she hot though?

[Stavros]

was she hot though?

The point is that there is a reason why the word 'abuse' is attached to drug and alcohol. The woman in question had obviously replaced her problems with an addiction to alcohol that left her in her early 60s with a body that had the consistency of a wafer; a bottle of scotch destroyed it. The mere sound of the vomiting has remained with me ever since. There was a hot overdose, a blonde woman who had been in and out of casualty at least three or four times in a year. One time she ran out and tried to throw herself under a bus. She was about 35 and had a great body but an incurable drug habit. I chatted with her once and couldn't work out what it was that had made it impossible for her to cope with life like others do, even in difficult circumstances. She came in one Sunday afternoon and we watched her die as the physics did what they could. Tragic waste. Heroin, Whisky, gambling -addictive behaviour has a cause -and an effect. Some people can live through it -Keith Richards is a well known example; Jimmy Connors has admitted to be addicted to gambling. To see the victims lying dead is, nevertheless, a sobering experience -from it I moderated my drinking and now consider it a pleasure not a problem.

[danthepoetman]

Heroin is still pretty expensive. But there's a new unexpensive drug on the market that tends to replace it now, in North America, with poorer people. It's called Krokodil or Crocodil. They seem to be putting some heroin indeed in the mix but all kinds of common household products with it, liquid plumber and what have you. Whitin a few months, the flesh starts to decompose from the inside, leaving huge dark spots of the skin. Then, the skin starts to melt away. Frankly, I've never ever seen something so abominable anywhere.
My point is of course, that booze is ok when you think of it. We had booze for centuries upon centuries and we still love it. Not the same with intravienous opiates or anything else in the range.
I won't post the pictures of krokodil victims as they're so horrific I'm affraid to traumatise some of you. If you want to have a look, go to the links:
http://www.ravenews.ca/en/read/2013/march/04
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/51...tion-users.htm
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/ru...es-skin-to-rot
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...okodil-strikes
http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/...s-u-s-streets/
http://www.krokodildrug.com/what-is-...to-stop-abuse/
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/russia...raphic-images/
http://local-info.co.za/news-items/t...ly-surfaced-us
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/krokod...raphic-images/

[bluesoul]

right now i'm sipping on some sour mash whiskey

i just did some more- though i'm chasing it down with a pint of newcastle brown ale.

if i could describe how i feel right now i'd say it's like tumbling headfirst into the sun's corona burning a long but thin tail behind me

[Stavros]

Does bourbon have an equivalent to malt whisky? Something other than Jemma Beam or Jacqui Daniels?

[Dino Velvet]

Heroin is still pretty expensive. But there's a new unexpensive drug on the market that tends to replace it now, in North America, with poorer people. It's called Krokodil or Crocodil. They seem to be putting some heroin indeed in the mix but all kinds of common household products with it, liquid plumber and what have you. Whitin a few months, the flesh starts to decompose from the inside, leaving huge dark spots of the skin. Then, the skin starts to melt away. Frankly, I've never ever seen something so abominable anywhere.
My point is of course, that booze is ok when you think of it. We had booze for centuries upon centuries and we still love it. Not the same with intravienous opiates or anything else in the range.
I won't post the pictures of krokodil victims as they're so horrific I'm affraid to traumatise some of you. If you want to have a look, go to the links:
http://www.ravenews.ca/en/read/2013/march/04
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/51...tion-users.htm
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/ru...es-skin-to-rot
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...okodil-strikes
http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/...s-u-s-streets/
http://www.krokodildrug.com/what-is-...to-stop-abuse/
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/russia...raphic-images/
http://local-info.co.za/news-items/t...ly-surfaced-us
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/krokod...raphic-images/

That Krokodil is something else. I saw videos from Russia. Made from everything under the sink and then some. Tell 'em Charles...


"Now only a knucka'head is gonna shoot this turrible, turrible stuff in they arm."

[danthepoetman]

Does bourbon have an equivalent to malt whisky? Something other than Jemma Beam or Jacqui Daniels?

I don't know bourbon very much. Jack Daniels is technically a "Tenesse Mash", I think. They process the alcohol by letting it drip through a pile of charred wood (maple I think). One way or the other, it's all stuff made with heavy cereals rather than malt, and aged in new wood, so the result is a very corpulent, syrupy spirit. No offence to my fellow Americans, here. It's the hard drink of hard pionneers. But personaly, I stay away from it. The Scots have perfected an art that's unlike anything anywhere. It's the greatest trade or handicraft of a thousands year old people. The Irish have also good whisky, but they like it simpler, much less complex. It's usually distilled thrice rather than the traditional twice of the Scots, so it's much purer and more delicate. THen again, the Irish distilleries are scarced today, and very few still makes single malts. What we get from Ireland nowadays are mainly blends.

That Krokodil is something else. I saw videos from Russia. Made from everything under the sink and then some. Tell 'em Charles...

"Now only a knucka'head is gonna shoot this turrible, turrible stuff in they arm."

I forced myself to watch a few vids as the "tough guy" I think I am and I'll tell you, Dino, I almost vomited and had my heart in my throath for hours after. Absolutely disgusting and horrific.

[robertlouis]

Does bourbon have an equivalent to malt whisky? Something other than Jemma Beam or Jacqui Daniels?

More like Paul Daniels, Stavros: small, irritating, and tasteless.