The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[bimale69]

With a gun? That's a good one! A real knee slapper. Any more jokes? Look the gun you think is protecting you right now isn't. It's merely a security blanket. A very dangerous one. Rather than actually being used for protection it is more likely someone in your family will use it to commit suicide, or to be involved in an accident resulting in injury or death. Oh, and just to cover the bases, if you think it's going to be used to fend off the government in the protection of liberty, then you're living in a fantasy world.

I hear all these "teapublicans" everyday spewing this crap about how they are gonna face down the "tyrannical" feds.......I mean gimme a break....and army of bubbas are gonna hold out against all the tanks,fighters,missiles, bombs, and troops that the u.s. government has?

It really sickens me when we have these mass shootings, especially the school in ct. we have innocent kids , not even 5 or 6, too young to learn how much life can suck yet, gunned down by a sick piece of shit whose mommy kept giving him weapons that were made legal by Fucktard W. Bush and his buddies allowing the assault weapons ban to expire, and all the yahoos can do is scream about how they need those guns for deer hunting and to "fight the NWO"?

I say ban the fucking assault weapons off the streets..that shit was made for cops and military personnel trained to use them.....not for bubba gump to play out his dimwitted fantasy of an all white, heterosexual, bible thumping America. As for the "new world order"..... bring it on, because the USA will never lead again as long as the stupid rednecks keep trying to drag it back into some bullshit 50's era morality based on a made-up paranoia about "commies".

[onetluv]

...because they can never be verified or corroborated;i.e. they don't happen all that often.
kinda arguing against a straw man aren't you? Link to a post where I said that. I'm a hunter myself. I own a Remington thirty 'aught six, a single twelve gauge shotgun and a twenty two caliber rifle. Guess what? I'm not evil.

England and the rest of Europe have quite reasonable gun laws. But I'm not asking for a ban. Link to a post where I'm asking to ban guns. A few reasonable regulations and a lot more self-restraint yes...banning all guns, repealing the 2nd Amendment, no.

The unarmed thug who brakes into your house (if that ever happens in anything other than one of your fantasies) is going to take that gun away from you and shoot your family. But more likely, no one will brake into your house, but someone in your family will accidentally shoot someone else while cleaning it.

so if you are a legal gun owner then what is with the posts about all these accidents and shootings happening?what is your point or what are you trying to prove?are you pro gun or anti gun because now you just sound confused.and im not saying that to be a dick but I am really just curious now because at least before I thought I was talking to an anti gun person.what is your straight forward view on guns then?and the percentage of accidental shootings is actually extremely low when you think about the 100's of MILLIONS of guns legally owned in America.and like I said,you are not taking into account how many of these shootings and accidental shootings are occurring with illegally owned weapons.and each time a weapon is stored improperly where someone other than the rightful owner can reach it then in some states that is a crime,and in others it should become law that makes it a crime.no pro gun person agrees with dumbasses who store weapons improperly or dumbasses who clean their weapons without first making sure they are unloaded and second always keeping the weapon pointed in a safe directions wether it is loaded or unloaded.

[broncofan]

so if you are a legal gun owner then what is with the posts about all these accidents and shootings happening?what is your point or what are you trying to prove?are you pro gun or anti gun because now you just sound confused.

Careful. She might end up saying something nuanced.

[paulclifford]

>>>Careful. She might end up saying something nuanced.

Nuanced is one thing. Accurate is another.

Guns save far more lives in the US than they take. All statistics show this. What the statistics cannot show, unfortunately, is the number of lives that are saved by merely showing or pointing a gun at a potential attacker, without actually ever firing. These sorts of incidences are not recorded officially as "gun use", but they save lives just as surely as if the gun were fired.

Regarding private gun ownership as protection from government tyranny:

All modern government tyrannies that we know of — on the left and the right — first gained traction in their cultures by banning individual gun ownership. Here's a synopsis:

1. Ottoman Turkey - 1915-1917 - Targeted Armenian Christians - ~1.5 million victims - Imposed gun control laws (permits, government list of owners, eventual ban on private possession).

2. Soviet Union - 1929-1945 - Targeted Political Opponents and Farming Communities (i.e., the "Kulaks" who didn't want to be forced onto collective farms by Stalin) - ~20 million victims - Imposed gun control laws (permits, government list of owners, eventual ban on private possession).

3. Nazi Germany & Nazi Occupied Europe - 1933-1945 - Targeted Political Opponents, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Gays, Freemasons - ~20 million victims - Imposed gun control (registration & licensing; government list of owners; eventual ban on private ownership).

4. People's Republic of China - 1949-1976 - Targeted political opponents; rural population - ~ 30 million (some say as high as 70 million) victims - Implemented outright ban on private ownership.

5. Guatamela - 150,000 Mayan Indians (Gun ban by government).
6. Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) - 2 million political enemies of the state - (Strict gun control by government)
7. Uganda - 300,000 Christians and political enemies of the state - (Strict gun licensing and control by government).
8. Rwanda - The Tutsi people - 800,000 - (Strict gun licensing and control by government).

Obviously, then, even if some believe it's fantasy that individuals with guns act as a firewall against government tyranny, history shows that governments intending on becoming tyrannical certainly believe it — which is the reason they have all imposed strict laws on individual gun ownership, or enforced outright bans.

[trish]

Careful what you mean by "gain traction." Tyrannies more often have gained traction long before they had enough power to impose traffic laws or any other kind of restrictions. They first appeal to bigotry, racism and nationalism. When the government is flying these flags, then you can be alarmed; but not when some representatives simply want to limit magazine capacity or plug a loophole. But if you want to dream of the apocalypse and saving the liberty of the nation with your little stash of legally or illegally acquired arms, be my guest; just don't expect the rest of us to participate in your sick dream. Firearm and ammunition sales are way up in this country, but gun ownership itself is falling. Fewer than thirty percent of households now owns guns (that's down from 50% in 1980). When it's the blustery bigots who are stockpiling guns and screaming about government tyranny, maybe it is time to be alarmed. Maybe it's time we take a look at our gun regulations and strengthen them. When those same blustery bigots with their penis boosters shoot first and ask questions later, maybe its time we start repealing our stand-your-ground-laws.

[hippifried]

This isn't about guns. It's never really been about guns. They're inanimate objects. A mindless hunk of steel. The problem is all the stupid that surrounds them. It's the stupid that makes them dangerous. The object is to separate the gun from the stupid. Legality of ownership is completely irrelevant because you can't legislate stupid away. But the legal system is the only tool we have to try & create the separation. If somebody thinks they have a better idea, then let's see it. So far, all you gun-tough wannabes have done is whine. If y'all're that scared to want to surround yourselves with useless toys, go find a rock to hide under. All this perpetual paranoid sniveling is just annoying.

[trish]

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[martin48]

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I'm sure the NRA can explain them all

[Silcc69]

I'm sure the NRA can explain them all

If the tenants had guns then they could've shot him

[robertlouis]

>>>Careful. She might end up saying something nuanced.

Nuanced is one thing. Accurate is another.

Guns save far more lives in the US than they take. All statistics show this. What the statistics cannot show, unfortunately, is the number of lives that are saved by merely showing or pointing a gun at a potential attacker, without actually ever firing. These sorts of incidences are not recorded officially as "gun use", but they save lives just as surely as if the gun were fired.

Regarding private gun ownership as protection from government tyranny:

All modern government tyrannies that we know of — on the left and the right — first gained traction in their cultures by banning individual gun ownership. Here's a synopsis:

1. Ottoman Turkey - 1915-1917 - Targeted Armenian Christians - ~1.5 million victims - Imposed gun control laws (permits, government list of owners, eventual ban on private possession).

2. Soviet Union - 1929-1945 - Targeted Political Opponents and Farming Communities (i.e., the "Kulaks" who didn't want to be forced onto collective farms by Stalin) - ~20 million victims - Imposed gun control laws (permits, government list of owners, eventual ban on private possession).

3. Nazi Germany & Nazi Occupied Europe - 1933-1945 - Targeted Political Opponents, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Gays, Freemasons - ~20 million victims - Imposed gun control (registration & licensing; government list of owners; eventual ban on private ownership).

4. People's Republic of China - 1949-1976 - Targeted political opponents; rural population - ~ 30 million (some say as high as 70 million) victims - Implemented outright ban on private ownership.

5. Guatamela - 150,000 Mayan Indians (Gun ban by government).
6. Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) - 2 million political enemies of the state - (Strict gun control by government)
7. Uganda - 300,000 Christians and political enemies of the state - (Strict gun licensing and control by government).
8. Rwanda - The Tutsi people - 800,000 - (Strict gun licensing and control by government).

Obviously, then, even if some believe it's fantasy that individuals with guns act as a firewall against government tyranny, history shows that governments intending on becoming tyrannical certainly believe it — which is the reason they have all imposed strict laws on individual gun ownership, or enforced outright bans.

Where would you place the UK in that context, Paul? Genuine question. We have some of the most draconian and tight firearms laws in the world alongside one of the lowest rates of gun deaths, whether you look at in terms of actual numbers or per head of population.

I know that wasn't the point you were making, but I'd certainly like to hear your view.