Boston Marathon

[flabbybody]

What's astounding to me is how an entire major American city is in lockdown right now as they look for this guy (s)

[up_for_it]

What's astounding to me is how an entire major American city is in lockdown right now as they look for this guy (s)

I agree, it's crazy to think that a city has been brought to a halt since 10 PM last night.

[dderek123]

The whole event is astonishing. Which leads me to wonder is the DHS effective?

[up_for_it]

Wherever that fuck is now I wonder if he feels it was worth it. This won't end well for him. Live and learn.

Agreed. His big bro went out in a hail of gunfire and they were so broke they had to try and rob a 7-11. Before last night everyone on the news was talking about how well prepared these guys were. Seriously? They obviously had no escape plan and the one guy didn't even try to disguise himself. Then they hung out and watched it happen. Fortunately they were complete amateurs.The only surprising thing at the moment is why the asshole hasn't been caught or lit up yet. I bet he's in a drain pipe asking himself why he signed up for this shit and isn't in class on his pre-med scholarship right now.

[up_for_it]

The whole event is astonishing. Which leads me to wonder is the DHS effective?

In my opinion, no. DHS is just another layer of bureaucracy, and they are relative new commers versus other agencies like FBI, NSA etc. I think the aftermath of Katrina tells you everything you need to know- they bungled the humanitarian logistics but rolled in like they expected a war. I see some paralells here, with guys driving around Boston in Humvees imposing a dawn to dawn curfew.

[Stavros]

dead perp spent 6 months in Russia last year. Need to find out what he was doing there and who he was with.

The boys' father was interviewed in Dagestan which is where the Russian war with Chechnya in the 1990s began as part of an attempt to create an Islamic Republic in the Caucasus -the funding and most of the Emirs in Dagestan came from Saudi Arabia and though successively killed there has been some cross-fertilisation of Saudi and Chechen versions of Jihad -the wars of the 1860s in which the Russians used savage and brutal ethnic cleansing meant that some Chechen and Dagestani joined the Circassian in exile in various parts of the Ottoman Empire -the Circassians famously settled in Amman in 1878 at a time when it had no settled population but was used as grazing land by the Bani Sakhr -one of the most powerful bedouin tribes in Jordan. The Circassians subsquently formed a close relationship with the Hashemite royal family and provided them with bodyguards, probably still do although the community has dwindled in recent decades. There is a small community of Circassian origin in Israel and also in Syria -one of the Chechen Emirs in the recent wars with Russia was Jordanian by origin.

I don't see any direct connection between these long standing grievances between the Russians and the Chechens and the USA, perhaps we will find out.

There is an article on the desperate situation in Dagestan from Der Spiegel (in English) 2010 here:

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/0...sian-dagestan/

[dderek123]

In my opinion, no. DHS is just another layer of bureaucracy, and they are relative new commers versus other agencies like FBI, NSA etc. I think the aftermath of Katrina tells you everything you need to know- they bungled the humanitarian logistics but rolled in like they expected a war. I see some paralells here, with guys driving around Boston in Humvees imposing a dawn to dawn curfew.

Yeah I agree with you. I just hope the powers that be don't use this event as a means for rationalizing more funding for DHS-like bullshit. What's next are they going to ban marathons and pressure cookers? Are they going to deploy air drones to spy on "suspicious" activity. 'Murika!

[flabbybody]

The boys' father was interviewed in Dagestan which is where the Russian war with Chechnya in the 1990s began as part of an attempt to create an Islamic Republic in the Caucasus -the funding and most of the Emirs in Dagestan came from Saudi Arabia and though successively killed there has been some cross-fertilisation of Saudi and Chechen versions of Jihad -the wars of the 1860s in which the Russians used savage and brutal ethnic cleansing meant that some Chechen and Dagestani joined the Circassian in exile in various parts of the Ottoman Empire -the Circassians famously settled in Amman in 1878 at a time when it had no settled population but was used as grazing land by the Bani Sakhr -one of the most powerful bedouin tribes in Jordan. The Circassians subsquently formed a close relationship with the Hashemite royal family and provided them with bodyguards, probably still do although the community has dwindled in recent decades. There is a small community of Circassian origin in Israel and also in Syria -one of the Chechen Emirs in the recent wars with Russia was Jordanian by origin.

I don't see any direct connection between these long standing grievances between the Russians and the Chechens and the USA, perhaps we will find out.

There is an article on the desperate situation in Dagestan from Der Spiegel (in English) 2010 here:

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/0...sian-dagestan/

It's dicey to try to attach rationality to people who commit acts of terror. The root cause has to be deep seated insanity. What political motive could be worth inflicting death and injury on men, women, and children who are in no way connected to your source of grievance.
At least Putin will have a vested interest in using the full weight of Russian authority in getting these terrorist cells in Chechnya. I would start with the father.
That's why its so vital to apprehend this younger brother alive. To find out everything he knows about his brother's trip and who helped them. And to find out what makes a person snap and become a murderer.

[Dino Velvet]

That's why its so vital to apprehend this younger brother alive. To find out everything he knows about his brother's trip and who helped them. And to find out what makes a person snap and become a murderer.

True in a way. The only people that want him dead more than many of us are the people he works for. Loose ends and a hysterically desperate 19 year old making decisions for himself now.

[fivekatz]

Well the shut down because of logistics on the ground because of the fire fight appear too slow to seal off the parameter in time.

I hope they catch the younger brother alive too and that normal due process can be followed. At any rate I'd think that between the brothers the computers, email accounts and phone records will tell a lot of the story.

DHS in theory was never a bad idea, it was just horribly executed under GWB. The theory is that when dealing with terrorism, it is a mix of local police world-wide, federal level intelligence world wide and black ops. This is not a convention battle and by having one agency overseeing the consolidation of data for all agencies to use is way more effective than taking Nation states to war after an attack.

I'd like to see the younger brother captured alive just to demonstrate to everyone who believes that indefinite detention and torture work and that our laws don't are wrong.

The proportionality here is that Israel lives with constant senseless attacks like this so we must take in stride that if idiots are determined enough no amount of largess will protect us from the idiots. And that we can arrest, detain, conduct sophisticated interrogation without torture, hold a trial and incarcerate the idiot.

As soon as we lose proportionality the terrorists win because we abandon our laws and assurance of justice for all.

That said I personally would like maim the MF*ker.