The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[robertlouis]

Posted by Prospero in another thread

I posted the same pic on another site, only to receive a response from an American suggesting I was dumb because, "There are so many more guns in the US, you moron."

FFS.

[trish]

Posted by Prospero in another thread

I posted the same pic on another site, only to receive a response from an American suggesting I was dumb because, "There are so many more guns in the US, you moron."

FFS.

I recognize the syndrome. The very thought of a gun will give the enthusiast an erection, draining the blood from his brains and turning him into stupid bimbo bullet whore. These guys stagger around the U.S. quoting the 2nd Amendment like zombies chanting, "Brains, brains, must have brains."

[fred41]

The problem isn't the numbers.
They are still high today.
The problem is that people should still do some basic fact checking and at least make sure that their poster is somewhat accurate. That poster is from the 1980's...West Germany should be the dead giveaway. I'm not saying the figures are vastly different now (I didn't check)...all I'm saying is before you put up a soundbite...at least make sure it's accurate.



(BTW I mentioned this the last time it was posted)

[trish]

2010 CDC study found that in the U.S. for that year there were

11,078 homicides by gun,
19,392 suicides with guns,
851 accidental gun deaths,

23,273 non-fatal gun injuries.

There are studies more recent than 2010. Congress, under the GOP, has demanded that the CDC cease any studies of gun violence.

[trish]

Sorry, auto correct "decontracted" the "aren't" in my last post. The following links may clarify the restrictions I mentioned that have been placed on the CDC in regards to gun violence.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-n...esearch-2013-1

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013...-violence-ends

[fred41]

Sorry, auto correct "decontracted" the "aren't" in my last post. The following links may clarify the restrictions I mentioned that have been placed on the CDC in regards to gun violence.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-n...esearch-2013-1

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013...-violence-ends

This is a pretty good quote I took from your second link:
RAND Corp.'s Dr. Art Kellermann, a health policy analyst, is well-acquainted with the political history of the debate.

Kellermann grew up with guns in East Tennessee. "Having a gun in your house was about as controversial as having a washing machine," he says. He says he was quite familiar with the idea of keeping a gun in the house for protection.

"But as a young ER doc, I wasn't seeing too many bad guys shot by homeowners," he says. "I was seeing kids shot by another child while they played with a gun they had found. I saw spouses who had shot one or the other in a family dispute. And I saw older individuals and sometimes teenage kids who used a gun to either take their life or attempt to take their life."



(I apologize if it was already used and I missed it.)

[fred41]

Okay, so anyway, I tried to update that poster as best I could (considering I have a hangover)using this site: www.gunpolicy.org

I tried to use data from the same (2010) of each country,but that isn't always possible, but you can always go to the site and enter everything on your own.

Japan - forget it...it's just very, very low.
UK - 2010: 155
Switzerland - 2010 : 279 (combining 2010 homicides with a 3 yr.avg.of suicide)
Canada - I just came up with 781 avg.data from 2006 & little slips of paper..lol
Israel - 2009 : 139
Sweden - 2010 :138
Germany - 2010 : 903
U.S. - 2010 : 31,672

you can also look up the annual rate of gun deaths per 100,000...but it isn't always available for every country.

[yosi]

Kellermann grew up with guns in East Tennessee. "Having a gun in your house was about as controversial as having a washing machine," he says. He says he was quite familiar with the idea of keeping a gun in the house for protection.

Protection from what? from other poeple with guns.....

[trish]

This is a pretty good quote I took from your second link:
RAND Corp.'s Dr. Art Kellermann, a health policy analyst, is well-acquainted with the political history of the debate.

Kellermann grew up with guns in East Tennessee. "Having a gun in your house was about as controversial as having a washing machine," he says. He says he was quite familiar with the idea of keeping a gun in the house for protection.

"But as a young ER doc, I wasn't seeing too many bad guys shot by homeowners," he says. "I was seeing kids shot by another child while they played with a gun they had found. I saw spouses who had shot one or the other in a family dispute. And I saw older individuals and sometimes teenage kids who used a gun to either take their life or attempt to take their life."



(I apologize if it was already used and I missed it.)

Protection from what? from other poeple with guns.....

God knows what these hillbillies need protection against. Other hillbillies, revenuers and the ATF one can only presume. But I do appreciate his testimonial as an ER doctor...

"But as a young ER doc, I wasn't seeing too many bad guys shot by homeowners," he says. "I was seeing kids shot by another child while they played with a gun they had found. I saw spouses who had shot one or the other in a family dispute. And I saw older individuals and sometimes teenage kids who used a gun to either take their life or attempt to take their life."

Guns are very rarely USED for protection. They are used quite often as security blankets. A gun bought for protection is simply a very dangerous security blanket and just as childish.

[hippifried]

I don't have a problem with guns or the lame arguments in here from all sides. My problem is with the constant state of panic over the issue & use of the same tired rhetoric as a smokescreen to strengthen oligarchic control. It's disappointing to see people fall for it, over & over & over again. One's political bent only defines who you're scared of if you get suckered into the panic. The internet makes it easier. How many klan/nazis does it take, in the blogosphere or on Youtube whatever, to convince the stereotypical left that the goose steppers are on their way? How many to rile up the stereotypical right, who are already convinced that their government is the enemy? All kinds of wannabe "intellectuals" & blind ideologues will tell you how fucked up everything is, but can't pinpoint a cause or come up with a solution of any kind. It's just a power grab. "You can always hire half the poor to kill the other half." (attributed to Boss Tweed, but who knows...)

Nobody's trying to take your guns. The people telling you there is, are the same ones who are trying to take away your Social Security check. Think about it.