17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[explorerchick]

I find it ridiculous how they were calling Zimmerman a "white" guy just because they knew it would make black people more angry than if they said "hispanic" which he was. The reverse racism crap has really gotten out of control. If you're black you're allowed to say whatever you want about white people as far as the media is concerned and get off scot-free, however, if you're white and make any type of comment (derogatory or not) about black people then you're a "racist", and get slammed. Ridiculous. If they want racism stamped out than stop allowing it.

[natina]

zimmerman ancestry is from PERU

PERUVIANS are european


The problem arises because people refer to

hispanics as "the 4th race" when in fact they are a hybrid of the three fundamental races.

But the point with language is that words mean what people mean by them and not a textbook or scientific definition. And in that sense, most people see enough commonality among enough hispanics for the word to have common currency.

So, they become a de facto race.


hispanic's have origin from spain


there are a mix with white,native american,african

Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race

well many african americans have IRISH,scotis,native american,french and spanish roots

Think of the Whitest person you know:Now think of the darkest person you know:
http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx

Think of the Whitest person you know: someone with blond hair, blue eyes and almost translucent skin, not a drop of Black ancestry in them. Now think of the darkest person you know: someone richly endowed with traditional African features, not even a drop of White ancestry in their past. Well, guess what? Scientists now trace the origins of both of these people-and of all human beings who have ever walked the face of the earth-to Black Africa, to the region around what is now Ethiopia. As Spencer Wells, the director of National Geographic's massive Genographic Project, puts it: "Our species evolved in Africa, and a subset of Africans left that continent around 50,000 years ago to populate the rest of the world. Our earliest ancestors probably looked very much like modern Africans."
This would have been news to "Bull" Connor and Orval Faubus and countless other racists from our past. It is also news to most of our White

Program: Black in Latin America
Episode: Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race
Professor Gates explores the almost unknown history their significant black populations: the two countries together received far more slaves than did the United States.
• Visit the Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race webpage

http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662/

I find it ridiculous how they were calling Zimmerman a "white" guy just because they knew it would make black people more angry than if they said "hispanic" which he was. The reverse racism crap has really gotten out of control. If you're black you're allowed to say whatever you want about white people as far as the media is concerned and get off scot-free, however, if you're white and make any type of comment (derogatory or not) about black people then you're a "racist", and get slammed. Ridiculous. If they want racism stamped out than stop allowing it.

[explorerchick]

zimmerman ancestry is from PERU

PERUVIANS are european


The problem arises because people refer to

hispanics as "the 4th race" when in fact they are a hybrid of the three fundamental races.

But the point with language is that words mean what people mean by them and not a textbook or scientific definition. And in that sense, most people see enough commonality among enough hispanics for the word to have common currency.

So, they become a de facto race.


hispanic's have origin from spain


there are a mix with white,native american,african

Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race

well many african americans have IRISH,scotis,native american,french and spanish roots

Think of the Whitest person you know:Now think of the darkest person you know:
http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx

Think of the Whitest person you know: someone with blond hair, blue eyes and almost translucent skin, not a drop of Black ancestry in them. Now think of the darkest person you know: someone richly endowed with traditional African features, not even a drop of White ancestry in their past. Well, guess what? Scientists now trace the origins of both of these people-and of all human beings who have ever walked the face of the earth-to Black Africa, to the region around what is now Ethiopia. As Spencer Wells, the director of National Geographic's massive Genographic Project, puts it: "Our species evolved in Africa, and a subset of Africans left that continent around 50,000 years ago to populate the rest of the world. Our earliest ancestors probably looked very much like modern Africans."
This would have been news to "Bull" Connor and Orval Faubus and countless other racists from our past. It is also news to most of our White

Program: Black in Latin America
Episode: Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race
Professor Gates explores the almost unknown history their significant black populations: the two countries together received far more slaves than did the United States.
• Visit the Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race webpage

http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662/

First of all Peruvians aren't European. Peru isn't even in Europe, for pete's sake and they AREN'T white. They may have white in them but so do a lot of black people in the United States. The problem arises when you try to justify racism against white people because it's becoming accepted as the norm, which is a load of crap. The fact is the guy didn't look white, it was a tactic to enrage people even further at the prospects of a "white" man killing a "black" kid.

[natina]

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White Pride and Other Delusions:

Reflections on the Rage of the Uninformed

By Tim Wise

"The price the white American paid for his ticket was to become white...This incredibly limited, not to say dimwitted ambition has choked many a human being to death here: and this, I contend, is because the white American has never accepted the real reasons for his journey. I know very well that my ancestors had no desire to come to this place: but neither did the ancestors of the people who became white and who require of my captivity a song. They require of me a song less to celebrate my captivity than to justify their own."

James Baldwin, "The Price of the Ticket," 1985

It seems like every week I get an e-mail from someone demanding to know why there's no White History Month, or White Entertainment Television, or why whites aren't allowed to have organizations to defend "our" interests, the way people of color are, without being thought of as racists. One of these internet missives, which has been making the rounds lately on MySpace and other popular networking sites, implies that whites are somehow oppressed because we can't get away with calling people of color any number of racial slurs (a litany of which the author then proceeds to recite, almost gleefully), while persons of color presumably call us names like "cracker," "honky," or "hillbilly" all the time.

The e-mail goes on to express anger over, among other things, Martin Luther King Jr. day, and Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Remembrance day in Israel), as if these were holidays that discriminated against whites. It then laments that white pride is seen as racist, but for people of color to feel and show pride in their group is seen as normal, natural, and even healthy.

The Reverse Racism Ruse (Or How to Ignore Power, History and Logic)

That so many people find this kind of argumentation persuasive would be humorous were it not so dangerous, and so indicative of the way in which our nation has yet to come to grips with its racist history. Had we honestly confronted racism as an issue, past and present, it is unlikely that such positions would make sense to anyone.

http://www.timwise.org/2007/05/on-wh...he-uninformed/

Tim Wise on White Privilege (Teaser)
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...ivilege-teaser

Tim Wise on the Creation of Whiteness (Clip)
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...whiteness-clip

Tim Wise on the "Dominant Historical Narrative"
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...ical-narrative

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Zimmerman Stuns Court, Waives Right to 'Stand Your Ground' Hearing in Trayvon Martin Case


George Zimmerman's attorneys stunned court observers Tuesday when they waived their client's right to a "Stand Your Ground" hearing slated for April that might have led to a dismissal of the charges in the shooting death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin a year ago.
However, the defense lawyers didn't say whether they would waive the immunity hearing outright. They left open the possibility for that hearing to be rolled into Zimmerman's second degree murder trial. Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch captain in his Florida subdivision, shot and killed the teen, who was visiting a house in the area.
The move allows the defense more time to prepare for the trial this summer, but also raises the stakes.
Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law entitles a person to use deadly force if he believes his life is threatened, and absolves them of an obligation to retreat from a confrontation, even if retreat is possible.
In recent weeks, the Zimmerman defense has suffered several legal setbacks. Judge Debra Nelson has ruled in favor of the state that Zimmerman's bail conditions should not be loosened, and that Trayvon Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump was not required to sit for a deposition about his interactions with the state's most important witness, a young woman who was the last known person to speak with Trayvon Martin before his death on February 26 2012.
It was the defense's legal maneuvering which put Judge Nelson on the bench in this murder trial. Last summer Zimmerman's team successfully argued that the previous judge, Kenneth Lester, was unfit to preside over the trial after a caustic bail ruling where he blasted Zimmerman for misleading the court about his financial situation.
Zimmerman contends that he shot and killed the 17-year-old Martin after the teen confronted him as he walked to his father's girlfriend's house. Were Judge Nelson to have accepted his account under Stand Your Ground, all criminal proceedings would have immediately stopped, and Zimmerman would have walked free.
But another unfavorable ruling by Nelson could have been interpreted by jurors as a sign of guilt. Waiving the hearing could also prevent the prosecution from picking apart Zimmerman's testimony.
Before the April hearing was waived, Zimmerman's defense set out to attack the credibility of witness 8, arguably the key witness in the upcoming trial.
Defense attorney Donald West asked the court for more information about the allegedly false account she gave attorneys. According to records obtained by ABC News she was on the phone with Martin as his confrontation with Zimmerman began. She claims he told her that he was scared of a strange man following him.
The state admitted that witness 8 lied when she stated that she did not attend Martin's funeral because of a medical issue and that there are no medical records to support that claim. The defense wanted Nelson to question prosecutors about how they first learned that this claim was not true, but Nelson refused.
The defense also asked for law enforecement biographies of both Zimmerman and Martin, in particular Martin's social media history. "It's time and money to get some of the information here and we are running out of both," said West.
In an earlier hearing the judge ruled that Zimmerman's defense could subpoena Martin's social media history but the undertaking is timely and expensive. Authorities agreed to hand over the documents to the judge so that she could review them and determine if the defense should have them.

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-stun...opstories.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmerman-s...ry?id=18656568

[explorerchick]

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Yeah I guess it's easier to ignore the fact that you were trying to justify racism and failed miserably than take it head on. I think you've shown my point pretty clearly.

[natina]

he thinks/feels that he is whit although he does not deny his Peru ancestry.

therefore he is white.

[explorerchick]

he thinks/feels that he is whit although he does not deny his Peru ancestry.

therefore he is white.

Oh, right, so he says he's Peruvian, which isn't white, but at the same time claims he's white. Ah ok got it.

[explorerchick]

So maybe I should say/feel that I'm African-American so I can say whatever type of comments I want about any race I want and not get slammed by the media, seems fair enough right?

[tragicomedy]

he thinks/feels that he is whit although he does not deny his Peru ancestry.

therefore he is white.

He said he isn't White and so did his family on numerous occasions.

The whole case seems to be falling apart against him.


We'll see if he is convicted in a civil court because the predictions that he would be acquitted seem to be coming true.

I don't know if American civil courts will take self defence into account when/if a wrongful death case comes to civil court, but if it does, he'll win there too.

[natina]

that CALLS FOR WILD SPECULATION.



civil cases have a lower burden of proof and are much easier to get a monetary conviction.