Male student gang raped by muslim youth

[tragicomedy]

Enough Tragicomedy. You are a fascist and a hater. Pure and simple. Do you know what the BNP is? (who describe this programme as a party political broadcast? They are a right wing racist party.) The decision to hold it back was clearly correct. You are hugely ignorant of everything other than trying to stir up hatred. The clip you posted made it very clear that this is an inflammatory programme as are your remarks. They are also libellous. How dare you suggest that people who are culturally sensitive condone this vile crime and actually downplay and cover it up. Your general ignorance with regard to Islam and the Muslim community is simply staggering.

You describe yourself as an immigrant? From where to where?

There you go again, jumping to conclusions. You folks just can't resist the urge to shut down dissenters can you? Just like your brethren who tried to keep.this programme off the air. The woman who made this documentary was not involved with the BNP in fact she said the BNP.were not helpful when it beclame clear that any percieved silence would be damaging to her career. The sad thing is that real action has been taken only recently and with the help of Jack Straw.

[tragicomedy]

Still not fuckin' your sister, Tragicomedy?

So how did a story about a grown man in drag getting gang-banged by a bunch of teenagers turn into a rant about organized pimps that somehow is supposed to have something to do with protecting children from Islam & multiculturalism & other things that grate on the nerves of the UK's version of klan/nazis? No need to answer. It's rhetorical.

As soon as it became more about attacking me than about the topic. I was one of the few people who actually wrote about the incident or offered any links.

But you don't care about that do you, the only thing you do is offer lame remarks and attacks.


For that matter, I'm more than happy to talk about the actual incident.

[tragicomedy]

Enough Tragicomedy. You are a fascist and a hater. Pure and simple. Do you know what the BNP is? (who describe this programme as a party political broadcast? They are a right wing racist party.) The decision to hold it back was clearly correct. You are hugely ignorant of everything other than trying to stir up hatred. The clip you posted made it very clear that this is an inflammatory programme as are your remarks. They are also libellous. How dare you suggest that people who are culturally sensitive condone this vile crime and actually downplay and cover it up. Your general ignorance with regard to Islam and the Muslim community is simply staggering.

You describe yourself as an immigrant? From where to where?

You and your allies worked to stop public discussion of a criminal phenomenon because it was damaging to your agenda.

You intimidated public officials and broadcasters to such an extent that they practiced self-censorship.


Heck, you do that write here by dismissing any stories out of hand (proving before that you don't even bother to read before making the claim that something is from a neo-nazi site) and you want to talk about fascism?


What does that make you when you want to silence dissenters, when you would cover up for all sorts of vile acts when they are harmful to your agenda?


In the end, I have to say I'm sorry. I wanted a real discussion of this phenomenon but I've grown jaded after discussing this with Left wingers and multiculturalists over the years. I have found that most of them are more concerned with controlling and destroying the careers and lives of people they disagree with than actual truth. The truth really doesn't matter to them. So what do I do? Waste an opportunity to engage by letting myself get drawn in by personal attacks.


All that I ask is for Multiculturalists and p.c. watchdogs is to start caring about discrimination and oppression of ALL people, not just those you have selected as protected classes.

[yodajazz]

Welcome back. Got more hatred for Muslims today to offer?

Where is the evidence for your assertion that "multiculturalists like Prospero kept it off air."

In truth a ciuple of years ago I led a team that spent a significant amount of time investigating the challenges faced by the Muslim community in the UK - and the challenge they present to the wider community. The key issues are islamophobia (of the sort your postings are symptomatic) and an recruitment of young second generation young Muslims by jihdists. There is clearly a link between the two - and this is a serious issue within the community.

The appalling case you provide links to implicates a group of men for whom no one can make any apology and who have been condemned by the Muslim community itself. The fact of their shared "faith" proves what exactly? For people of your prejudiced view, this seems to be that Muslims are all racists and sex criminals (as you suggest in your opening posts) and that there are innumerable other cases. Again no evidence. The faith of these men was irrelevent. There are plenty of sex crimes, by Christians for instance, which do not the get used to characterise Christians as prone to sex rimes because of their faith. Homophobic crimes by christians in the US which do not lead us to conclude that all Christians are homophobic and likely to go beating up or killing gay people.

And by the way Jack Straw's attitude to Islam is pretty controversial and ignorant.. A few years back he suggested that Muslim women should not be allowed to wear the veil.

I stand fully by my labeling of you as a hater.

This is exactly the point I wanted to make also. Imagine such headlines as; "Christian bank executive embezzles millions" or, "Christian youth kills 30 in Newtown".

Now I do suspect there may be a cultural component, in the sex crime related to lack of socialization skills with the opposite sex. But that's a far cry from being directly related to religious practice or teachings. Hitler made sure that crimes committed by Jews were published as such, and even perpetrated crimes, and blamed them on Jews. Fear and hate are used agents of control.

[hippifried]

As soon as it became more about attacking me than about the topic. I was one of the few people who actually wrote about the incident or offered any links.

But you don't care about that do you, the only thing you do is offer lame remarks and attacks.


For that matter, I'm more than happy to talk about the actual incident.

Attack you? Not hardly. My attack is on the all too common a tactic of trying to change the subject until you can perhaps find a villain that everybody can agree on. You're not the first to try this, & there's no such thing as impunity.

We get reports on these boards all the time about physical attacks on the transgendered around the world, including a sexual assault on Eva Lin by 3 men in NYC just last week. So tell me: How long did you have to wait for a story of this type to pop up involving Muslims? See where I'm going here? Assaults happen to all kinds of various people, by all kinds various people, all the time. The one thing they all have in common is the momentary belief that the victim is probably weaker at that time & won't be able to fight back. It's the false wish for superiority, by the inferior, exacerbated by cowardice. Religion or culture have nothing to do with any of it.

[yodajazz]

You and your allies worked to stop public discussion of a criminal phenomenon because it was damaging to your agenda.

You intimidated public officials and broadcasters to such an extent that they practiced self-censorship.


Heck, you do that write here by dismissing any stories out of hand (proving before that you don't even bother to read before making the claim that something is from a neo-nazi site) and you want to talk about fascism?


What does that make you when you want to silence dissenters, when you would cover up for all sorts of vile acts when they are harmful to your agenda?


In the end, I have to say I'm sorry. I wanted a real discussion of this phenomenon but I've grown jaded after discussing this with Left wingers and multiculturalists over the years. I have found that most of them are more concerned with controlling and destroying the careers and lives of people they disagree with than actual truth. The truth really doesn't matter to them. So what do I do? Waste an opportunity to engage by letting myself get drawn in by personal attacks.


All that I ask is for Multiculturalists and p.c. watchdogs is to start caring about discrimination and oppression of ALL people, not just those you have selected as protected classes.

No one here is defending crime, or its prevention. The only question is the real cause of crime. You are basic implying without directly saying that it has something to do with Islam. Show me a passage in the Koran, where it says it is ok to rape someone. It is not about silencing you, or anyone, but directing the story closer to truth, and away from manipulation through fear. Here in the US, the idea that Black men were going to rape White women, was a fear tactic, used to deny people certain basic rights and to justify unequal treatment. In my lifetime it was not legal for me to drink from all public water fountains. Old tricks are often recycled into new forms. How many crimes by Christians are identified by their religious affiliation? Associating crimes and other behaviors to religious affiliation was used to justify the killing of millions of people, only 70 years ago. So the truth does matter.

[tragicomedy]

This is exactly the point I wanted to make also. Imagine such headlines as; "Christian bank executive embezzles millions" or, "Christian youth kills 30 in Newtown".

Now I do suspect there may be a cultural component, in the sex crime related to lack of socialization skills with the opposite sex. But that's a far cry from being directly related to religious practice or teachings. Hitler made sure that crimes committed by Jews were published as such, and even perpetrated crimes, and blamed them on Jews. Fear and hate are used agents of control.

It's not so much that A Demographic is committing crime, but one group targeting another group for violent and provocative crime again and again.

Not to mention this is a trend we see across Western nations.


It's even more puzzling because while this is a major problem for minorities in Muslim countries, in Europe they are targeting the indigenous majority population.

They feel very comfortable doing things to members of a population that outnumbers them by a huge amount that they would not attempt doing to girls within their own group or to other minorities.

[robertlouis]

It's not so much that A Demographic is committing crime, but one group targeting another group for violent and provocative crime again and again.

Not to mention this is a trend we see across Western nations.


It's even more puzzling because while this is a major problem for minorities in Muslim countries, in Europe they are targeting the indigenous majority population.

They feel very comfortable doing things to members of a population that outnumbers them by a huge amount that they would not attempt doing to girls within their own group or to other minorities.

Where's the evidence for that assertion? If there is a persecuted minority in Europe it's the Jews, and certain regimes, especially in the old east, actively connive at it.

[tragicomedy]

No one here is defending crime, or its prevention. The only question is the real cause of crime. You are basic implying without directly saying that it has something to do with Islam. Show me a passage in the Koran, where it says it is ok to rape someone. It is not about silencing you, or anyone, but directing the story closer to truth, and away from manipulation through fear. Here in the US, the idea that Black men were going to rape White women, was a fear tactic, used to deny people certain basic rights and to justify unequal treatment. In my lifetime it was not legal for me to drink from all public water fountains. Old tricks are often recycled into new forms. How many crimes by Christians are identified by their religious affiliation? Associating crimes and other behaviors to religious affiliation was used to justify the killing of millions of people, only 70 years ago. So the truth does matter.

The difference between your comparison to Black men in the U.S. and Pakistani/Middle Eastern Muslim men in Europe and Australia is that we have no evidence of Black men deliberately targeting non-Black women or men for gangrape during that time period.


In FACT, the best records we have, reaching back about 115 years, say that inter-community rape was very, very rare and when it did occur, it was mostly White men targeting Black women.


In Britain, Europe and Australia (Australia being perhaps the most well documented) we have Muslim men deliberately targetting non-Muslim women and sometimes targeting White women, not only for ease of access but for racial/ethnic reasons. The men in Australia were quoted as saying that they did it to feel superior.
Sydney gang rapes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's something that is done to non-Muslims in Muslim majority countries, but it's telling that this is happening in Western, non-Muslim majority countries. What does that say about the White community in Britain that vulnerable, visible minorities feel comfortable in engaging in supremacist activities against the majority? Or even worse, that p.c. multiculturalists in Britain actually acted as enablers in pressuring the media to keep this out of the public eye and to create a social climate where law enforcement and politicians felt they had to keep quiet?
Imagine if members of your community were engaging in quietest behavior against people wanting to speak out on atrocities?

[tragicomedy]

Where's the evidence for that assertion? If there is a persecuted minority in Europe it's the Jews, and certain regimes, especially in the old east, actively connive at it.

Are you asking about the series of gangrape/child trafficking crimes in Britain? You can read the links and any police reports on the subject I can provide if you are really interested. If you don't want to wait, you can scan through the articles and blog excerpt I posted before.


Law enforcement and child services have already acknowledged that the large groups of men were targeting the White population. It's no secret.