Fuck You AVN!

[GroobySteven]

No non-porn business advertises on free porn tube sites that I've ever seen...which have you?

Pills, especially sex aid pills is the big one but also high ticket/low cost porn like phone sex, cam sex, dating sites promote themselves on these sites. It's not just the advertisement you can see, it's controlling the traffic and being able to direct it to a site, there is more than one way to do that.

Paysites have a very poor ratio of return advertising on those sites.

[GroobySteven]

Ok, so what about Sean's theory: freesite buys paysite then shuts freesite.

That surely hasn't happened.

It's not a theory, it's what's happenning. This is what fucks me off about people like you. You ask a question, the answers are given and then you decide to argue against it.

[GroobySteven]

That doesn't answer an earlier question of mine, which is "the reason why no paysite has ever set up their own freesite in order to drive traffic to their paysite (and garner all the advertising revenue) is..."

We own a couple of hundred free sites from hungangels, hungdevils, tgflix, tgirls, solo model blogs, specific blogs, FHG sites.
What we don't do is take other people's stolen content to raise our profile and traffic.

[GroobySteven]

What's not being understood is how exactly all this free traffic is being monetized so as to justify the 100's of millions of dollars being invested...and the advertising that "Spunk Lube" buys isn't the answer...lol.

And you're getting away from the original question, which is:
When a freesite buys a paysite it has damaged, how does it then expect to convince people who are getting porn for free to suddenly pay for it?

It's like pulling teeth.
The free tube sites aren't targetting specific sites to devalue them - they've targetted the industry in general. A program or website may start to see it's value and sales drop and decide now is a good time to sell.
The buyer, gets a name brand with a good reputation and can then send traffic from their network of other brands, free sites and other traffic sources to the site to hopefully increase revenue. As they're a larger company, costs are lower and they can sell within their network. They also get the very valuable "ex-member" list. Anybody who has been a member of a website before has probably had an email sometime after they cancelled giving them an offer to return or join another site at a discount. These "ex-members" are pre-qualified (we know they have a credit card and are willing to purchase paysite memberships) so the amount of sales you get on a right offer can be staggering, especially when the ex-member list can go into the 100,000's of people.

Let's look at something a little closer to home. Hungangels.com is a brand and site that's been around for sometime and made it's money from affiliate sales. The previous owner had other committments and was unable to invest enough time in the site to make it enough money, and with affiliate sales dropping by the month as many paysites were making less new sales - so decided a one-time buyout (after making money on the site for 10 yrs).
A larger company (Grooby) which could absorb the running costs of servers and staff buys it. Immediately there is a saving, as we don't have to pay afffiliate fees for sales to our own sites to Hungangels.com. We then do some basic cosmetic work, link it into our other networks to drive more traffic in, change out the banners to a lot more Grooby sites but also other sites we know we can make sales on. Other bonuses are the members list, the search engine ranking that we can use to link our sites to (Hungangels has an excellent ranking) and the ability to use the site as an outlet for our products. We'll have recovered our investment in under 18 months.

So again - Manwin has bought up good brands - Reality Kings, Digital Playground, etc were all bluechip type adult brands but worth less than they were before the advent of the free for all tube sites. Because of the size of Manwin's network they should be able to make those brands profitable. The business model isn't bad - but using stolen content sites to drive traffic (and hurt the overall business) is.

[GroobySteven]

I am sure that Grooby sites do very well, but if the independents are making so much from pay-sites, do you see them doing webcam shows for such low rates?

Makes me think that they must be finding it very hard to make ends meet.

If by "independent" sites you mean solo model sites, well that businsess model is well broken regardless of whether independent or with a big company. Some solo models compete really well, especially ones who have something a bit different to offer but the general TS model site (or any solo girl site) is a hard sell. To be fair, it's not just the piracy that has hurt them but the amount of solo girl websites out there (almost every girl has one ... and watch for another later today) but also the size and value for money that the larger paysites offer. A lot of solo models sites have hurt themselves by not updating regularly or giving customers some form of access to them.
I don't think camming for $2 a minute is bad ($120 an hr?) especially on top of running a site, doing affiliate sales, etc. It's all income.

[natina]

some cam girls make over $10,000.00+++/week.

a Friend of mine was able to purchase a home cash after doing a cam girl job for about a year.

she got $2.00/min for nude chat per user. there were sometimes 10++ or more user at any one minute.

I think a few times when I was there she had 30 or 50 users doing nude chat with her.

thats $2 x 40 users x minutes=$$$$$$$

lets say she has $2X40X60 minutes X2 hours X 5 days/week=$48,000.00

nude chat was purchased in bocks of time for $25.00,$50.00 ,$75.00 and $100.00...........++++

her nude chat actually cost more then $2/min and you did not have to use the whole prepaid $25.00 time.

[natina]

many people say a legitimate acting job or Hollywood job is one that has the back end $$$$$$$. residuals like an actor in a Hollywood film.

an actress who won a 2013 AVN award was said to be homeless and broke.

another actress was living in a mobil home yet her one movie made over 1 billion dollars USA.

this is why porn is not considered a legitimate business.
many movies get big advertisement dollars and product placement. you can not get that with adult porn.

no billboard ad's, no magazine or television advertisement, no product placement at MC Donald's ,burger king are any popular food chain.


porn actors miss out on a lot of $$$ in residuals and often there scence get released over without the actor earning any additional income or incentative to promote the film. so adult actresses or contract girls and get money to become exclusive to a certain porn company and to show up at trade shows.

[iagodelgado]

Thread of the year so far. An eye-opener on how the industry works.

[nysprod]

It's not a theory, it's what's happenning. This is what fucks me off about people like you. You ask a question, the answers are given and then you decide to argue against it.

Ok, I promise to not make any further attempts at intelligent conversation...

[GroobySteven]

Ok, I promise to not make any further attempts at intelligent conversation...

Further ?

Seriously though, don't ask a question of someone qualified to give the proper answer and then decide to start arguing because you don't like the answer. I'm happy to elaborate but it's dull to have to repeat myself.