Make Sure You Have Valid Photo ID!

[trish]

A high profile lib already lost an election by just one vote...I believe the count was 5 to 4. The Conservative court didn't want the people's votes to be counted. Yeah, you guys have a long distinguished history of voter suppression.

[Erika1487]

Looove how this thread is just running off the rails
Hey here is a random thought libs what about absentee ballots? All done by mail, with no ID needed.
Why can't these poor disenfranchised voters just mail their damn vote in. #logic #tryitsometime

[buttslinger]

What part ..of my post... did you not comprehend?

I didn't understand any of it!!!

[buttslinger]

Hey here is a random thought libs what about absentee ballots? All done by mail, with no ID needed.
Why can't these poor disenfranchised voters just mail their damn vote in.

Erika is my favorite Republican.

[trish]

OK, nice talking to you mustard-head, kisses.

Looove how this thread is just running off the rails
Hey here is a random thought libs what about absentee ballots? All done by mail, with no ID needed.
Why can't these poor disenfranchised voters just mail their damn vote in. #logic #tryitsometime

I don't know about libs, but I personally have reservations about any sort of mail in or on-line balloting. Both are much more open to fraud. To relate it to a previous poster's point there is no profit in in-person voter fraud...that's why there isn't any to speak of. However, one can easily buy mail-in and on-line votes and verify that the voter indeed voted as agreed. There is a real potential for profit in political power. On the other hand, the military votes mainly by mail, many elderly vote by mail and of course the handicapped and infirm vote largely by mail. But the new photo ID laws do nothing to address this issue, they are about suppressing the vote at the polls.

But it's a nice idea Ericka. Do those votes actually get counted or do they hold them in reserve to break ties?

[Erika1487]

Erika is my favorite Republican.

Thank you

[Erika1487]

I don't know about libs, but I personally have reservations about any sort of mail in or on-line balloting. Both are much more open to fraud. To relate it to a previous poster's point there is no profit in in-person voter fraud...that's why there isn't any to speak of. However, one can easily buy mail-in and on-line votes and verify that the voter indeed voted as agreed. There is a real potential for profit in political power. On the other hand, the military votes mainly by mail, many elderly vote by mail and of course the handicapped and infirm vote largely by mail. But the new photo ID laws do nothing to address this issue, they are about suppressing the vote at the polls.

But it's a nice idea Ericka. Do those votes actually get counted or do they hold them in reserve to break ties?

I see what you did there well played Trish In my experiance the last few years Ohio has streamlined the absentee voting process making the ballot easier to read and count! It was only just a few years ago that a large portion of Ohio absentee ballots where punch cards, which resulted in many votes getting tossed for 'hanging chads' 'I.e the 2004 recount.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)

~bump~

[Cuchulain]

say 10 all you want, 113 in Minnesota alone.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...131782928.html

Gave up on the O'Keefe vids, eh? You couldn't actually find anyone dumb enough to risk 5 years in the can and a $10k fine for vote fraud.

You and the kneeler continue to cite bullshit sources, while failing to rationally refute any of the info that's been presented in this thread. Both of you are now citing claims (that's claims, not facts) from the so-called 'Minnesota Majority', a far right (OMK doesn't even name his source and falsely calls them independent) group whose findings have been questioned by many, including Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, who actually investigated most of the cases. You should read the entire article the next quote is from. It disproves the 'Minnesota Majority' conclusions a number of times-

“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”
“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.” http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fr...ken-us-senator


The whole Franken argument is about ex-felons voting - people who hadn't yet done the proper paperwork and should not have been able to register, yet somehow they did. Again, the problem was with registration, an issue not affected by new ID laws. Asking them for photo ID at the polling place would not have stopped them from voting. Remember photo ID? This is a thread about photo ID.

[Stavros]

Gave up on the O'Keefe vids, eh? You couldn't actually find anyone dumb enough to risk 5 years in the can and a $10k fine for vote fraud.

You and the kneeler continue to cite bullshit sources, while failing to rationally refute any of the info that's been presented in this thread. Both of you are now citing claims (that's claims, not facts) from the so-called 'Minnesota Majority', a far right (OMK doesn't even name his source and falsely calls them independent) group whose findings have been questioned by many, including Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, who actually investigated most of the cases. You should read the entire article the next quote is from. It disproves the 'Minnesota Majority' conclusions a number of times-

“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”
“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.” http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fr...ken-us-senator


The whole Franken argument is about ex-felons voting - people who hadn't yet done the proper paperwork and should not have been able to register, yet somehow they did. Again, the problem was with registration, an issue not affected by new ID laws. Asking them for photo ID at the polling place would not have stopped them from voting. Remember photo ID? This is a thread about photo ID.

To this excellent refutation of Onmyknee's baseless accusation, I would add this account of the challenge the the Minnesota election which clearly identifies the problem Minnesota had with an increase in absentee ballots it was apparently not prepared to deal with in 2008; one assumes it has improved since then:
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs.../elj.2010.0090

There is also an exacting survey of elections since 2000 which confirms the points that Trish has been making about fraud in elections, vide:

Allegations that widespread voter fraud is threatening to the integrity of American elections and American democracy itself have intensified since the disputed 2000 presidential election. The claim that elections are being stolen by illegal immigrants and unscrupulous voter registration activists and vote buyers has been used to persuade the public that voter malfeasance is of greater concern than structural inequities in the ways votes are gathered and tallied, justifying ever tighter restrictions on access to the polls. Yet, that claim is a myth.

In The Myth of Voter Fraud, Lorraine C. Minnite presents the results of her meticulous search for evidence of voter fraud. She concludes that while voting irregularities produced by the fragmented and complex nature of the electoral process in the United States are common, incidents of deliberate voter fraud are actually quite rare. Based on painstaking research aggregating and sifting through data from a variety of sources, including public records requests to all fifty state governments and the U.S. Justice Department, Minnite contends that voter fraud is in reality a politically constructed myth intended to further complicate the voting process and reduce voter turnout. She refutes several high-profile charges of alleged voter fraud, such as the assertion that eight of the 9/11 hijackers were registered to vote, and makes the question of voter fraud more precise by distinguishing fraud from the manifold ways in which electoral democracy can be distorted. Effectively disentangling misunderstandings and deliberate distortions from reality, The Myth of Voter Fraud provides rigorous empirical evidence for those fighting to make the electoral process more efficient, more equitable, and more democratic.
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