Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!

[buttslinger]

I notice they don't allow guns in Court, but the Judge gets an armed Police Officer standing there right behind him. That doesn't seem FAIR!

[Queens Guy]

So what? That is not a reason to oppose reasonable regulation. In point of fact Illinois does not ban guns. You can have them in your home, you can carry them on the street, you can rack them in your car, take them here and take them far. What you can't do in Illinois (yet) is carry them concealed. I applaud Illinois for last bit of boldness. Banning concealed carry is not (as some would falsely describe it) a total ban on guns.

I'm not against reasonable regulation. I'm just saying that you don't have to be a 'nut' to think people that have imposed virtual bans, choosing to ignore the letter and spirit of the law, might not deserve your trust.

I'm for reasonable regulation. Banning concealed carry for everybody, IMO, isn't reasonable. You think it is. Banning it for certain people because of their past behavior or current mental status is reasonable. But everybody? No matter what reason? It's as close to a ban as you can get.

Why would you want to encourage 'open carry'? It's illegal in some of the States that allow 'concealed carry'. IMO opinion, 'open carry' is just plain foolish, no matter how you feel about people having guns. Those that we both agree shouldn't have guns now know exactly who they should steal them from. Would you encourage 'open carry' of other valuable items? Those that can't kill people, like iPhones and jewelry? Or laptops? 'Open carry' helps to provoke fights that can otherwise be avoided. Banning 'open carry' is a 'reasonable' restriction, and one I approve of.

[Prospero]

Im curious to know how many people have actually prevented street robbery my felons armed with guns because they are also carrying weapons? Anyone got any intelligent info on that - rather than the line that just goes 'i carry a gun to stop being the victim of violent crime."

Similarly how many armed burglars have been shot by householders in the US defending their property?

[kittyKaiti]

Kitty Kaiti - the Timothy McVeigh of Hungangels.

Yes. That is exactly what I said I am. I exactly stated in my arguments that I am going to target civilians like some p.o.s. terrorist. That is exactly what I typed in my responses. 100% exactly what I wrote and implied. Fucking retard. It's nice to see that in today's world, the people who liberated America from the grips of the corrupt British crown (George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson) would today be sent to Guantanamo to be waterboarded and executed without trial. Patriotism is dead. Overtaken by fascism. The same fascism you Brits had dragged us into a war against in WWII. Next time you morons over there are faced with a battle against another rising fascist dictatorship, don't call us in to save your asses because we are the only country with guns.

Look forward to you taking on the US government alone with your one gun.

Sure, that's also what I implied. I was going to take on America alone. As if millions of Americans are not also both distraught and prepared or preparing for what is expected to come. Why have gun sales skyrocketed in the past 4 years? Because many people are waking up to the realization that our true Western Democratic ideals are dying in the name of the Dollar and greed for that useless paper. While you can all sit back and enjoy the ride when the crisis that hit Greece comes to your doorstep, people like me are prepared to protect our homes, businesses, property, families and neighbors. While the police turn against us and use excessive violent force against peaceful protest and our rights to express grievances are trampled in the name of preventing so-called terrorism, you can sit on your ass while the rest of the intelligent people fight your battle for you. Keep on voting for the lesser of the evils when the elections come around, our system here in the U.S. has been flawed for a very long time and nowadays, corporate lobbying is what really buys the votes and our leaders.

Whoa!

Yes, paranoia and preparation is wrong. It would be insane to be prepared for any possibilities, even ones like total economic failure. We've NEVER had one of those before right?

Hot photo Kitti but yes, shame on you.
You're going to use that gun to defend your house from intruders? You couldn't get it around the doorways? What can that do to defend your house that a pistol couldn't? You'd be in more danger of having it taken off you.

Seriously, your rhetoric here doesn't sound unlike some of these people who goes "off the rails".

Isn't this the same corporate greed that's feeding your fears and selling you weapons which are clearly more than for simple self-defensive or hunting?

"Off the rails"? Because I have opposing views to our government's current political system, it is wrong, crazy and should be illegal? I am a terrorist because I do not agree with our government's ways? I guess then it was totally fucking wrong when the women rose up in protest against our "FREE" Democracy in the early 1900's for the right to vote. I guess it was also wrong to rise up during the Civil Rights movement against the government for the equal freedoms of African Americans who in turn were assaulted by riot police and firemen who used their rescue vehicles as weapons of hate and sprayed protesters with hoses in the 60's. I guess it was also wrong for US now, transsexuals and those who love us, when the Stonewall Riots occurred and we fought with physical violence against the police (who you all claim will save us when we need them), the same NYPD then, who still now, suffer from endless PR crises revolving around officers arresting transsexuals for "prostitution" because some transwoman was walking down the street and the police decided to arrest her for no other reason than being a tranny in a straight world and then humiliated and beaten in the holding cells by your beloved defenders. Rising up against corruption is completely fucking insane and wrong I suppose, or at least these days. This is what forms the foundation of a society that will accept fascist and totalitarian regimes to form, when we are so dumbed down to these events and issues and anyone who says anything not in-line with the government is a terrorist.

[Prospero]

Interesting... I found this in another thread regarding sylvia boots.
Now if NONE of the individuals in this had been able to enjoy easy access to weapons would any of this happened/

"In August 2002, Amara dated Jorge Espinoza without knowing that he was Tanya's boyfriend. After sex he brutally beat her and stole her car. Again she filed a police complaint. Three weeks later Jorge returned and shot her in the head. Miraculously Amara survived and still has the bullet in her head. She filed a third police complaint and was unofficially advised to carry a gun for self-defense.

"On March 17, 2003 Amara and Tanya encountered each other in the ladies room at the Yukon Mining Co restaurant. Insults, hair pulling and punches started and were continued in the parking lot, and friends of both women joined in. It escalated to the point where Amara pulled out her gun. Tanya tried to take it away from her. It went off and Tanya's hand was seared with gunpowder burns. A few minutes later it was apparent that one of Tanya's friends, Laura Banuelos, was dying of a gun wound. Amara was arrested.

[Prospero]

i hope and pray i dont stumble across the nutjob who uses the name KittiKaiti with her paranoid and illinformed grasp of both history and reality. "Patriotism is dead. Overtaken by fascism." She speaks the lingo of the radical survivalists - a mishmash of paranoia and political claptrap. Add to that noxious mix weaponry and you have yourself a real recipe for madness. You gonna go hide in the woods Kitty for the coming confrontation withe "the man." I withdraw the claim that she is the Timothy McVeigh.
I think Anders Breivik is nearer the mark. Kitty Kaiti Brevik.. sounds about right.

[kittyKaiti]

Im curious to know how many people have actually prevented street robbery my felons armed with guns because they are also carrying weapons? Anyone got any intelligent info on that - rather than the line that just goes 'i carry a gun to stop being the victim of violent crime."

Similarly how many armed burglars have been shot by householders in the US defending their property?

Want to know statistics? Look them up. FBI.gov.







AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE BEST FOOTAGE I'VE EVER VIEWED:

[SFTB]

Interesting... I found this in another thread regarding sylvia boots.
Now if NONE of the individuals in this had been able to enjoy easy access to weapons would any of this happened/

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Sylvia would have knifed her. Sorry, you can blame that death on drugs, crazy jealousy, etc

[GroobySteven]

Sylvia would have knifed her. Sorry, you can blame that death on drugs, crazy jealousy, etc

Clearly you don't know the facts or have read it.

[Queens Guy]

Im curious to know how many people have actually prevented street robbery my felons armed with guns because they are also carrying weapons? Anyone got any intelligent info on that - rather than the line that just goes 'i carry a gun to stop being the victim of violent crime."

Similarly how many armed burglars have been shot by householders in the US defending their property?

That's a great question. And it should be part of the debate.

However, it's tough information to get. We don't have a national police force. So all the police departments and sheriff's offices use their own forms and document things differently. They all report and keep track of car accidents pretty much the same way, so those stats are pretty trustworthy. They are all required to report a few crimes, the worst ones, to the FBI, who maintains those statistics. But, some don't even keep track of and they all aren't required to report those things. If a legal gun owner justifiably shoots a robber, then a crime hasn't occurred.

That information is only obtained sporadically, and usually only if a gun owner chooses to report it to the newspaper or an organization like the NRA. So it's 'self-reported' information, which isn't as trustworthy as auto accident information is, for instance. Or the number of people murdered, which is one of the crimes which all local law enforcement must report to the FBI.

I'm all for 'reasonableness' and I think it is information which should be accurately gathered. Of course, it will still be 'self-reported' to some extent because if the gun owner draws his weapon but doesn't fire, he may not choose to report that event. I would report it, because I would then have a good description of a robber, but not everybody would.