17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[jamesedwards]

That's why when some fool here say "BLACK FOLK ARE MORE RACIST THAN ANY OTHER RACE" I just laugh because they obviously don't know the true meaning of that word. They do what everyone else does and role with the band wagon without thinking for a moment and studying. From the original definition African descent people is not and can't be racist, again we can be prejudice and hate, but I ask if I say I hate all Hispanics, will that affect them just by me saying that? Nope, that's why hate is hate and hating another race or ethnic group is not racist it's just what it is HATE!!!! Which is no better but my point is to pull hate away from the word racism as though it's synonymous to one another because if it was when you look up the word hate, racism would be some where in there and it's not at all.

[maddygirl]

That's why when some fool here say "BLACK FOLK ARE MORE RACIST THAN ANY OTHER RACE" I just laugh because they obviously don't know the true meaning of that word. They do what everyone else does and role with the band wagon without thinking for a moment and studying. From the original definition African descent people is not and can't be racist, again we can be prejudice and hate, but I ask if I say I hate all Hispanics, will that affect them just by me saying that? Nope, that's why hate is hate and hating another race or ethnic group is not racist it's just what it is HATE!!!! Which is no better but my point is to pull hate away from the word racism as though it's synonymous to one another because if it was when you look up the word hate, racism would be some where in there and it's not at all.

I'm sorry but that's not true. Hating a race of people or specific ethnic group IS racist. It doesn't matter if you're white, hispanic, or black, if you're hating an entire group of people based on race, you're being racist.

[jamesedwards]

I'm sorry but that's not true. Hating a race of people or specific ethnic group IS racist. It doesn't matter if you're white, hispanic, or black, if you're hating an entire group of people based on race, you're being racist.

No it's not, show me the original meaning of racist. Do you know what the original meaning is? I'm not talking about the cliche you follow or think you know. The original meaning of being a racist. Racism affect people, if I say I hate all Hispanics that is not racism, that's hate!!! It's not really a racist comment. Why do you think when they put out reports they call it A HATE CRIME lol Because technically if you say you hate an entire race it's just that it's not racism. Now I want you to give me the original meaning of racism because hating an entire race or ethnic group is not racist. And there are only three races on the planet. I hope you know that too.

Some of you just follow what others have told you and you don't study words you just say it and think everyone else is wrong. If you think I am wrong prove me wrong. Because soon as you do I am going to drop the fucking bomb on you!!! Racism is not hating, show me where the word hate has in it's definition racism as being synonymous with it. Usually when words have a meaning in it you don't understand you can go to that word and then when you get that word the original word that lead you there is more times is there.

rac·ism  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?s=t
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Notice how hatred is number three that's modern input and it's not the original definition. Again direct racism affect people, and if you say hating a race or ethnic people is the same as racism you're totally wrong because if I hate a race or ethnic group it doesn't affect that group all I am doing is expressing a feeling.

hate   [heyt] Show IPA verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2.
to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.

[natina]

you mean

Once the two forensic experts show it was Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!!

its already a wrap for zimmerman

he caught in many lies and inconsistency's



correction for this below

Once the two forensic experts show it wasn't Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!! So now they are working on getting old footage of Tray in his high pitch sounds like playing football or some sport or just playing around yelling. See they not going to get in court and the defense ask them did they do a test on Trayvon and they say no, they will be able to say yes. They are doing that now.

[Willie Escalade]

Wouldn't it be wonderful, if the notion of race did not exist. If it was against the law to track and report a person's race either by the government or private enterprise?

I would love to see a movement to do away with race categories, so we can get on with the business of just getting along. Especially, with all the mixed race people in the world, President Obama included. To be exact, he is not our first black president he is our first mixed race president. But, if race wasn't an issue, he would be known as our first president from Hawaii. Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Never gonna happen

[maddygirl]

No it's not, show me the original meaning of racist. Do you know what the original meaning is? I'm not talking about the cliche you follow or think you know. The original meaning of being a racist. Racism affect people, if I say I hate all Hispanics that is not racism, that's hate!!! It's not really a racist comment. Why do you think when they put out reports they call it A HATE CRIME lol Because technically if you say you hate an entire race it's just that it's not racism. Now I want you to give me the original meaning of racism because hating an entire race or ethnic group is not racist. And there are only three races on the planet. I hope you know that too.

Some of you just follow what others have told you and you don't study words you just say it and think everyone else is wrong. If you think I am wrong prove me wrong. Because soon as you do I am going to drop the fucking bomb on you!!! Racism is not hating, show me where the word hate has in it's definition racism as being synonymous with it. Usually when words have a meaning in it you don't understand you can go to that word and then when you get that word the original word that lead you there is more times is there.

rac·ism  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?s=t
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Notice how hatred is number three that's modern input and it's not the original definition. Again direct racism affect people, and if you say hating a race or ethnic people is the same as racism you're totally wrong because if I hate a race or ethnic group it doesn't affect that group all I am doing is expressing a feeling.

hate   [heyt] Show IPA verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2.
to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.

It doesn't matter to me what you think the definition is. And it's also funny that you'd pick a site that contradicts your orginal point and uses hatred of another race as the DEFINITION of RACISM. If you hate a whole ethnic group you're being racist, end of story. Don't try to justify racism. So it has to affect people huh? Well don't you think BEFORE it affects people it starts with HATE. Come on now.

[giovanni_hotel]

We're arguing semantics. For practical purposes on the micro- level, anyone individually can be a racist/bigot.

Racism isn't always institutional or only a byproduct of someone who's a part of the cultural or racial majority in the country.

[Prospero]

So following Jamesedward's definition of racism the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis was not racism?

I know where he is coming from. The notion that briefly held currency that it is or was impossible for a group who in a minority and have been historically discriminated against cannot be racist towards the majority group that oppresses them. But this is an politically expedient political position and certainly not really based on a n honest examination of the behaviour of groups.

Thus there have in recent times been any times when a group who might be seen to be oppressed are racist towards another group. in the Uk for instance the Afro-Caribbean community practice discriminations the Somali community. Many people from Trinidad hate Jamaicans. And in the Zimbabwe under Ronert Mugabe there has, for some years, been clear proof of discrimination again the former white ruling group. You might try to justify that as revenge but it is - nonetheless - racist.

[giovanni_hotel]

This is why I can't talk to you because on serious topics you pull Stormfront statistics out of your ass.

What % of black men have been or will be in prison? It's over 40%. That's not normal, but go back to putting your head in the sand.

The U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics says that 1 in 3 BM can expect to go to prison over their lifetimes. Still too high at 33%, but saying it's over forty percent is crazy.

If you think the racial makeup of U.S. prisons is purely a criminological analysis and doesn't factor in a racial bias from both the police and the court system, you my friend are the one with his 'head in the sand.'

[natina]

he needs a prescription of TIM WISE



white person is more likely to shot up a school,kill his whole family, serial killer
TIM WISE
talks about white violence because of the coping factor
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/10/suffer-from-privilege-induced-lack-of.html



Has Black Friday arrived in America? If so, are you prepared?

Actually, if you're a "white" American, there's a good chance that you're less prepared than other Americans. Emotionally that, is. And mentally. Maybe even physically.

As is so often the case, Tim Wise has explained well this common symptom of learning to be white:

Racism and white privilege/supremacy generates a mindset of entitlement among those in the dominant group. This entitlement mentality can prove dangerous, whenever the expectations of a member of the group are frustrated. Principally this is because such persons develop very weak coping skills as a result of never having to overcome the obstacles that oppressed folks deal with every day and MUST conquer in order to survive.

So, as a result, it is the privileged (the beneficiaries of racism, and also, it should be pointed out, the class system) who are ill-prepared for setback: the loss of a job, stocks taking a nose-dive (who were the folks jumping out the windows in the great depression–not poor folks and folks of color, but rich whites who couldn’t handle being broke!) Likewise, if you look at the various personal pathologies that tend to be disproportionate in the white community (and upper middle class for that matter), they are interesting in that they all are about control–controlling one’s anxiety, emotional pain, or controlling and dominating others–like suicide, substance abuse, eating disorders, self-injury/mutilation, serial killing and mass murder (as opposed to just regular one-on-one homicide), sexual sadism killings, etc.

Not knowing how the world works is dangerous. White privilege and racism allow the dominant group to live in a bubble of unreality. Most days that’s no big deal I suppose. But every now and then reality intrudes on you and if you haven’t been expecting it, the trauma is magnified. So, when 9/11 happened, millions of whites were running around saying “why do they hate us?” because whites have never had to see our nation the way others do–we’ve been able to live in la-la land.

But folks of color didn’t say this, because those without privilege HAVE to know what others think about them. Not to do so is to be in perpetual danger. So whites flipped out, and by virtue of being unprepared, pushed for a policy response (war) that folks of color were HIGHLY skeptical of from the beginning. But whites, enthralled by our sense of righteousness (itself a manifestation of privilege), pushed forward, convinced that the war in Iraq would go swimmingly. How’s that working out?
In other words, racism and privilege generate mentalities and policies that are dysfunctional, even deadly for whites as with folks of color. Folks of color are the first victims, to be sure, and the worst. But as someone else said, what goes around. . .
Privilege creates a false sense of security. Being the dominant group can set you up for a fall, can prevent you from building up the coping skills needed to deal with setback, because so often those skills are ones you just don't need.
Until you do, that is.


[This quotation is adapted from two sources: a comment Tim Wise wrote at Resist Racism, and one of his books, White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son. Lyrics for Steely Dan's song "Black Friday"]



This is a clip from The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality, the newly released video from the Media Education Foundation. The video is of a speech given by Tim Wise at Mt. Holyoke College, October 1, 2007.



The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality

The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality



http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wis...whiteness-clip


more complete video but has relatedlinks/urls and related to more of his speakings/lectures

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education

affirmative action /school bias
white people have affimative action to

This is why I can't talk to you because on serious topics you pull Stormfront statistics out of your ass.

What % of black men have been or will be in prison? It's over 40%. That's not normal, but go back to putting your head in the sand.

The U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics says that 1 in 3 BM can expect to go to prison over their lifetimes. Still too high at 33%, but saying it's over forty percent is crazy.

If you think the racial makeup of U.S. prisons is purely a criminological analysis and doesn't factor in a racial bias from both the police and the court system, you my friend are the one with his 'head in the sand.'