Obama is smooth...

[onmyknees]

Once again, our Commander-in-Chief has laid his balls on the table. In support those who dare fall in love. Romney, meanwhile, is on the phone asking what this means.

On my knees, yes, I'll marry you.......

LMFAO....you call that set up interview laying his balls on the table????? John Stewert isn't even buying that one. Man...you really are a sycophant , aren't you? Here's the reality ....his position was "evolving" for 3 1/2 years until he was forced out of the closet by Joe Biden. Note the political timing Einstein between the Biden revelation, and Barry's set up interview..... Joe Biden may be the dumbest guy on the planet, but he's the one who laid his balls on the table...not Barry. If you think Obama wanted this coming out party with 7 key swing states voting against gay marriage, you're incredibly naive...with all due respect.

And the problem with guys like you is not your position on gay marriage.....I think most can respect that even though they don't agree....but guys like you are never willing to extend that same respect to those with opposing views. Rather than try to convince them, you'd rather bash them over the head with pejoratives, which is probably a large reason why 41 States have laws defining marriage between a man and a woman, and 30 States have voted that way on referendum. It's hard to bring someone around to your opinion while you're disparaging and disrespecting them. Witness West Virginia.


And here's an my take on the whole Osama thing....In the ad that Slick Willie made in an attempt to use the killing of Bin Laden for political gain ( which is fine by me, btw) Clinton says "suppose the Navy Seals had been captured or killed...the downside would have been horrible for HIM" (meaning Obama) ....Interesting take on the political risks, but what about the killed or captured Seals? Think it might have just been a little horrible for them too? It's always about Obama.

[Ben]

A big day for civil rights

President Obama's gay marriage support carries political risk, but he had no moral choice

By Joan Walsh



Make no mistake: President Obama’s decision to publicly endorse gay marriage carries serious political risk, though also moral reward. Every state gay-marriage ban referendum has passed, except one in Arizona that was rewritten and adopted on a second try. And in swing states, from North Carolina (which just banned both marriage and civil unions Tuesday) to Nevada to Virginia, the president’s stance could cost him votes.
The latest Gallup poll shows that public opinion has gotten a little cooler toward gay marriage in just the last year, though most Americans support it. The sad truth is, most Americans may back it, but those who oppose it have been far more motivated to cast votes based on their animus, so far anyway.
That said, it was the right and necessary thing for the president to do. Future generations will look back and wonder what took him so long. The president believes in the saying attributed Martin Luther King Jr., that “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Despite his too-slow “evolution” on gay marriage, Obama knows the arc bends faster when we pull on it, and today he gave it a good tug.
Like Vice President Joe Biden, who clearly deserves credit for accelerating this public “evolution,” Obama cast his decision in personal terms, telling ABC’s Robin Roberts:

I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married.

Cynics are already saying that Obama’s decision is pegged to big fundraisers in Hollywood and New York over the next few days. I honestly think the risk is higher than the reward, and the president made a personal decision. “I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married” isn’t the most stirring call to justice, but it sounds honest to me.
I remember thinking Mayor Gavin Newsom was doing a politically dangerous thing when he began marrying couples at San Francisco City Hall in 2003. Then I went and watched the weddings – and I was converted to the notion that there can be no compromise on marriage rights. Fellow Democrats blamed Newsom for costing John Kerry the election the next November, and no one can say for certain that he didn’t. Karl Rove surely used gay marriage as a wedge issue in 2004, pushing ballot initiatives in swing states to beef up the GOP’s Christian right turnout. And yet once I saw real individuals joyous at their weddings – and later crushed when the wedding spree was ended by the courts – it became impossible for me to suggest they have to wait because the country isn’t ready to give them equal rights. After he signed the Civil Rights Act, Lyndon Johnson famously told Bill Moyers “we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.”
But no person of conscience would today suggest Johnson did the wrong thing. “I had assumed that civil unions might have been enough,” Obama told Roberts. He did not say how long ago he realized he was wrong; it’s enough that he realized it today.
By all accounts Joe Biden did bend the arc of justice a little, with what are being called spontaneous and unplanned remarks on “Meet the Press” Sunday supporting gay marriage. The Catholic Biden, like Obama, put his evolution in very personal terms. “The good news is that as more and more Americans come to understand what this is all about is a simple proposition. Who do you love?” he told David Gregory. “Who do you love and will you be loyal to the person you love? And that’s what people are finding out what all marriages at their root are about.”
Whether they are marriages of lesbians or gay men or heterosexuals. Jay Carney faced 50 gay-marriage questions in Monday’s briefing, after Secretary of Education Arne Duncan joined Biden in supporting gay marriage on “Morning Joe.” The White House’s brief effort to deny the importance of Biden’s statement was futile and they wisely dropped it. Then they did more than that – they endorsed it.
Obama’s move may be less risky than it feels right now: Public Policy Polling has found that folks who oppose gay marriage already think the president supports it, anyway. African-Americans are less likely to support gay marriage than other groups, yet it’s hard to imagine Obama’s stance depressing black support for him given everything else that’s at stake in 2012.
I also want to say a word on behalf of the advocacy community that pushed the president to take this step – even as fervent Obama supporters insisted they were dooming the president’s reelection bid with their demands. Activists and agitators make history. Leaders rarely move to claim risky but necessary territory on their own. Congratulations to all the voices who made this happen – and to the president, who must be relieved to be able to say publicly what we’ve known he’s believed privately for a long time.

[buttslinger]

guys like you are never willing to extend that same respect to those with opposing views


51% of Americans should not quote morals to 49% of Americans.
It's not ALL about Obama. I don't want a Goddam Etch-a-Sketch liar repeating the Bush years. Tell me one difference between Romney and Bush.

[loveboof]

Tell me one difference between Romney and Bush.

Romney is a mormon.

(hmm, did I put too many M's in there... ?)

[Ben]

Romney is a mormon.

(hmm, did I put too many M's in there... ?)

I think if Romney were, say, running as an Independent, as it were, he could be fairly moderate. He is NOT a social conservative. But he has to appeal to the Republican base.
So, the problem is he has to appeal to a lot of religious crazies in the Republican Party. He has to placate them. Ya know, those who believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, those who are steadfastly opposed to gay marriage and abortion etc. etc. etc.
And he can't control them....
Obama and Romney have a lot of similitudes. Where do they part ways? Your guess is as good as mine.
I mean, on a simplistic level: every president has to appease international money markets.
There's what's called a virtual senate. Whereby investors and lenders take a moment by moment referendum on government policy. And if they view government policy as irrational -- meaning: caring about the people -- they simply attack the currency by capital flight...

[Ben]

guys like you are never willing to extend that same respect to those with opposing views


51% of Americans should not quote morals to 49% of Americans.
It's not ALL about Obama. I don't want a Goddam Etch-a-Sketch liar repeating the Bush years.

Tell me one difference between Romney and Bush.

Quoting, at fair length, from the American journalist Chris Floyd: "Both parties support empire, militarism, corporatism, exceptionalism, oligarchy, executive tyranny, torture and the shielding of torturers, indefinite detention, extrajudicial killing, regime change (covert, overt, by proxy), special ops, black ops, rendition, the drug war, the terror war, undeclared war, war crimes, the relentless expansion of the "National Security" apparatus, the militarization of police powers, slashing the social safety net, serving the needs of Wall Street and the One Percent, and so on and on and on."

http://www.chris-floyd.com/

[robertlouis]

And the problem with guys like you is not your position on gay marriage.....I think most can respect that even though they don't agree....but guys like you are never willing to extend that same respect to those with opposing views. Rather than try to convince them, you'd rather bash them over the head with pejoratives, which is probably a large reason why 41 States have laws defining marriage between a man and a woman, and 30 States have voted that way on referendum. It's hard to bring someone around to your opinion while you're disparaging and disrespecting them. Witness West Virginia.

Hell, omk, stop being reasonable and sane, it's really doing my head in lol.

And I agree with you on Obama's position, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. On the other hand, during the Civil War, it was political and military calculation rather than moral principle which finally stirred Lincoln into making the emancipation proclamation, and while that was couched deliberately in ways to ensure that it's primary impact would fall on areas controlled by the south, in the end the results were profound and and immensely effective.

Maybe a pragmatic response to finding himself forced into a corner might have the same effect for Obama. Let's wait and see.

It's the middle of the night here, but let's hold further comment until we see what Fox and the main spokesmen of the GOP have to say on the subject before passing premature judgement - something all of us here are just too damn good at.

[buttslinger]

so on and on and on.

While to most people, the difference between Obama and Romney is like the difference between Country and Rock, behind the scenes there are plenty of differences. Like the difference between Ginsberg and Scalia, National Healthcare, War, Hurricanes, Brownies, Oil companies, the Future of all mankind. Have you forgotten Dick Cheney?

[robertlouis]

Have you forgotten Dick Cheney?

Mephistopheles himself.

[BluegrassCat]

And the problem with guys like you is not your position on gay marriage.....I think most can respect that even though they don't agree....but guys like you are never willing to extend that same respect to those with opposing views. Rather than try to convince them, you'd rather bash them over the head with pejoratives, which is probably a large reason why 41 States have laws defining marriage between a man and a woman, and 30 States have voted that way on referendum. It's hard to bring someone around to your opinion while you're disparaging and disrespecting them. Witness West Virginia.

LMFAO! Everyone knew knees would have to find a way to attack the president on this but he chose a pretty hilariously stupid way.

Right, the reason so many states have passed marriage amendments is not because they want to deny civil rights to a minority of Americans that do icky things in the bedroom, no, no, not that, it's because us libruls didn't say please. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! In fact, in the 60's white Southerners actually would have been happy to extend civil rights to blacks, they totally wanted to, but those damn civil rights activists were just so damn pushy and kept insisting they were right that the Southerners had to literally let the dogs out (Mitt knows what I'm saying, woof woof!) and let the firehoses out and the billy clubs.

Yup, the problem is not intolerance, it's the uppity fags who demand their rights before we're comfortable. What about my feelings? I mean, it's your life but if it grosses me out to imagine you fucking, shouldn't I able to vote to take away your rights?