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[Paladin]

I cannot believe the ignorance of posters like Paladin (I won't even begin to address the poison that is OMK). So the invasion of Iraq, spearheaded by Bush and the Neocons (and shamefully aided and abetted by the Blair administration here) had nothing to do with the mess that is the modern Middle East. Nor did the CIA and US inspired interventions and interference in many other parts of the region for the past 50 years. Nor does the US support for Saudi Arabia.Nor the presence of massive US bases in Bahrain and Qatar. Nor unswerving US support for Israel. And while we are at it - Paladin - (to borrow a leaf from your view of who is qualified to comment on things) let's not have YOU pontificate on the Middle East since I suspect you've not been there (please correct me if I'm wrong) and are not from there either.

Well that shows what you know, or rather don't know.... read up before spouting off.

[Paladin]

How do you feel about the Welsh?

I like the Welsh Guards. and the Irish Guards, Grenadier Guards & Coldstream Guards.

[robertlouis]

I like the Welsh Guards. and the Irish Guards, Grenadier Guards & Coldstream Guards.

What have the Scots Guards done to offend you?

[yodajazz]

Yes, now you are catching on. Is it working?


In all seriousness my posts are in response to the "all cultures are equal" meme currently in vogue. Granted my limited efforts are no doubt wasted on particular venue (so it is more likely an exercise in killing time).

I do think it is valuable to get people to think outside of the Liberal echo chamber...

It is true that all cultures are different, from each other in some aspect. But declaring one to be better than another leads to thinking errors. And its the same with comparing people, with the exception of the more extreme cases. Whatever criteria you measure, there is always going to be a hidden trade-off. People escape to the suburbs for a better lives. However, many suburban youth, are adrift, as their successfully employed parents are not available. So you have drug use and other risky behaviors, like the inner city youth. Suburbs are generally better at covering up, issues from the media. Its good for business, to keep up appearances.

I think the major fault in trying place culture and people above one another, is that we lose on the fact that all people and culture has some instrinsic value, and they are all capable of teaching us something, if we care to look and listen. So called primitive Native American cultures, had a more enlightened view, of what we call transgenders. One term for them was "two spirited people". Some primitive cultures feel, these types of people have sprecial spiritual gifts, and look to them for wisdom. So ask a person like Cece McDonald, who reportedly, was just walking down the street, and ended up, verbally harrassed, and cut in the face, how superior this culture is.

By the way, one major book, that warns against, judging cultures and people, is the Bible. Jesus's story about the "good Samaritan" taught that exact example. The context of the story, was that the Samaritans, were looked down upon, by those from Jesus's community. In the story, the victim in need, was even passed up by a Rabbi. Rabbis were considered to be the cream of the crop, of the Hebrew community. And the point was,the Rabbi, who had educated knowledge, did not translate that into action to help, an injured stranger. But one who was considered ignorant, ( A Samaritan), was still capable of doing a very good deed.

Mildcigar_2001, I thank your for expressing your opinions, when you are not being insulting. However, in this case, I side with Jesus's view.

[yodajazz]

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I don't know if Treyvon or Zimmerman were good or bad people, and I won't reargue the facts again. Because my point is whatever the ultimate outcome of the case, we know that the original bent of the story (black kid shot for being in white suburbia) is false. My general recollection is that the gated community is roughly 20% black and 40% Hispanic and 40% white. This is a far cry from an all white neighborhood and then someone coming outside in Klan robes and shooting the kid. I think it is important especially in view of Sharpton et al’s track record, that these type of matter be examined closely.

When the facts come out, I say it will prove that race was an important factor. I still wonder how many of the previous calls he reportedly made on other occaisions were regarding Blacks? It makes no difference if Zimmerman has Black blood or not, or if other blacks live in the gated community. Martin was in the community visiting someone in his family, I believe, so would be assumed that other Blacks live there. The Klan is not the only avenue for racism, in America.

Take the case of this story. I suppose you might not see it directly related to race. A woman in St Louis, went to the emergency room complaining about a pain in her ankle. The doctors examined her and then released her, but she refused to leave. The police were called, the medical personell cleared her, and she was taken to jail. In her cell she cried out in pain, collapsed and died. It was reported that it from a blood clot, which came from her ankle injury. Just hearing the story, it comes to me that she must have been Black, and it turns out she was. Of course there were other issues. She did have some mental health, and housing issues. Yes, injustices happen to all races. There just seem to be more, happeining to Black Americans. The effects of racism are forces that change into other forms, which then recycle, to new effects. An example of this, is denying ex-felons the right to vote for life, when a disportional amount of Blacks are in the justice system. In Florida, in 2000 where the US presidency was decided by less than 200 votes, apx 1 million Black potential voters were denied the right to vote. I thought the purpose of prison, was to punish and control offenders. So inronically, the 3/5 designation for counting Blacks in the census, defined in 1789, is comparable to the percentage of Blacks allowed to vote, in Florida and other states, over 200 years later. Racism, like other negative forces, just seem to change form, unless they are purposely rooted out. Things are better now, than the past. But injustice still rears its ugly head, too often, for people to be complacent.

[mildcigar_2001]

When the facts come out, I say it will prove that race was an important factor. I still wonder how many of the previous calls he reportedly made on other occaisions were regarding Blacks? ....

An example of this, is denying ex-felons the right to vote for life, when a disportional amount of Blacks are in the justice system.Florida

The other occasions the suspicious persons identified by Zimmerman were black. I will refer you again to the Reuters article where a black neighbor of Zimmerman's basically states that the robberies in the neighborhood where being committed by black young men.

As to depriving felons of their right to vote, this is a rule of long standing and applies equally to all races. Sorry thieves, rapists and murderers do not have my sympathy. The voting rights suspensions are for people committing felonies not misdemeanors. Keep out of trouble and you have your right to vote. The sad truth is that a distortional amount of blacks are in prison because they commit a disproportionate amount of crimes. This seems to be culture in action. And I'm sure I'll be called a racist for mentioning to troublesome fact.

However I want to point out (by the rules of political correctness) that I can't be a racist because I'm a member of a minority group (Cherokee Indian). According to family lore I'm 1/32 Cherokee Indian and hence a member of a protected minority group. As we all know minority group members can not be racists. Below a picture of my new hero.

[Stavros]

As to depriving felons of their right to vote, this is a rule of long standing and applies equally to all races. Sorry thieves, rapists and murderers do not have my sympathy. The voting rights suspensions are for people committing felonies not misdemeanors. Keep out of trouble and you have your right to vote. The sad truth is that a distortional amount of blacks are in prison because they commit a disproportionate amount of crimes. This seems to be culture in action. And I'm sure I'll be called a racist for mentioning to troublesome fact.

I think that at the moment something like 5 million Americans cannot vote because of the 'Felony Disenfranchisement' rule -the point is, if someone has both 'done the crime and served the time', during which time they lost the right to vote, why should they not be re-endowed with equal rights once released from prison? Does it apply to 'felons' who were released on appeal years after their original trial, because in fact they were innocent?

Your disingenuous comment on the high proportion of Black Americans in prison presumably also refers to CeCe who is black and in solitary confinement -do the facts known so far in her case matter at all?

This thread is about her, not you.

[trish]

The other occasions the suspicious persons identified by Zimmerman were black.

I will refer you to the fact that none of persons identified by Zimmerman as being "suspicious" were found to be robbers.

[mildcigar_2001]

...refers to CeCe who is black and in solitary confinement -do the facts known so far in her case matter at all?

This thread is about her, not you.

Thank you for clarifying that point. If you are worried about CeCe then do something beyond reading or writing on this thread. Raise money for her bail. A sad failing among liberals is viewing feeling sorry for someone the same as doing something for that person. If you really think she is innocent then start raising money for her defense (I'm thinking a lonely thread on a porn forum will not do her much good). Otherwise shut up about what is or is not supposed to be written on this thread.

I’m sick of liberal blowhards who think "talking" is the same as doing something. Personally I’m worried about the ballooning national debt, so I joined a Tea Party group, and give money to fiscally conservative candidates. If I think someone has gotten a raw deal (I have in the distant past) done pro bono work.

Sorry she is in solitary confinement, but were else do you propose to keep her if she is a TS??? Should they arrest additional TS(s) so she may have cellmates? As I stated in the above thread, if she is in pre-trial confinement after one year then her defense counsel (with her approval) is requesting continuances.

[mildcigar_2001]

I will refer you to the fact that none of persons identified by Zimmerman as being "suspicious" were found to be robbers.

I am going from memory, but my recollection is that the prevous times Zimmerman called 911, the suspects disappeard prior to the cops arriving and hence Zimmerman's frustration (something to the effect that these punks always get away or words to that effect).