17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[giovanni_hotel]

I said I want him ARRESTED.
The odds that Zimmerman is convicted by a jury of his peers in FLA, ( i.e., predominantly WHITE) are low.

It's unreal that ANYONE could blow a hole through an unarmed teenager's chest whom YOU were following in the first place, and you the shooter admit to police you murdered him and still NOT BE ARRESTED.

If Zimmerman wasn't racially profiling Trayvon, why the fuck was that asshole following him?? Why was he threatening?? What was so 'menacing' about a teenager walking back home on a candy run from the convenience store??

OMK, this is a murder case, not some black kid arrested under sketchy circumstances.

What this case is about and the reason why people are pissed off is the constant, un-ending racial profiling against minorities, in most cases unjustified, institutional racism, since no BLACK MAN could murder a 'suspicious' looking white teen and claim self-defense and not be arrested on the spot, and the most idiotic law in the country courtesy of the NRA, the SYG law.

The reason I don't care too much that NBC doctored a portion of ZImmerman's 911 call is because it was replayed UNEDITED on CBS/ABC/CNN/MSNBC.
If NBC Network News fucked it up, it doesn't change the facts of that tape. Besides there are other recordings of Zimmerman calling 911 prior where he volunteers the race of the person he's watching.
Zimmerman said it looked like Trayvon was on drugs and implied he had a weapon tucked in his waistband. WTF??

The dude should be locked up for being a delusional psychopath.

THe only people who think the pro Trayvon activists want Zimmerman to be CONVICTED are the talking heads on FAUX News.
At every rally and protest, the only demand has been for justice and Zimmerman's arrest.


Why is it that conservatives have latched on to the murder of an innocent Black teen and tried to make it something political??

That's sick.

[robertlouis]

As reports come through of another college campus massacre in California, isn't it about time that gun possession laws should be reviewed if only to try and prevent casual access to firearms by people who, sadly with hindsight, should never be allowed near them?

[Despot]

pfft, no wonder why trannies and pornstars are treated as the degenerates of society, no fucking brain whatsoever.

[runningdownthatdream]

I said I want him ARRESTED.
The odds that Zimmerman is convicted by a jury of his peers in FLA, ( i.e., predominantly WHITE) are low.

It's unreal that ANYONE could blow a hole through an unarmed teenager's chest whom YOU were following in the first place, and you the shooter admit to police you murdered him and still NOT BE ARRESTED.

If Zimmerman wasn't racially profiling Trayvon, why the fuck was that asshole following him?? Why was he threatening?? What was so 'menacing' about a teenager walking back home on a candy run from the convenience store??

OMK, this is a murder case, not some black kid arrested under sketchy circumstances.

What this case is about and the reason why people are pissed off is the constant, un-ending racial profiling against minorities, in most cases unjustified, institutional racism, since no BLACK MAN could murder a 'suspicious' looking white teen and claim self-defense and not be arrested on the spot, and the most idiotic law in the country courtesy of the NRA, the SYG law.

The reason I don't care too much that NBC doctored a portion of ZImmerman's 911 call is because it was replayed UNEDITED on CBS/ABC/CNN/MSNBC.
If NBC Network News fucked it up, it doesn't change the facts of that tape. Besides there are other recordings of Zimmerman calling 911 prior where he volunteers the race of the person he's watching.
Zimmerman said it looked like Trayvon was on drugs and implied he had a weapon tucked in his waistband. WTF??

The dude should be locked up for being a delusional psychopath.

THe only people who think the pro Trayvon activists want Zimmerman to be CONVICTED are the talking heads on FAUX News.
At every rally and protest, the only demand has been for justice and Zimmerman's arrest.


Why is it that conservatives have latched on to the murder of an innocent Black teen and tried to make it something political??

That's sick.

You're not gonna change the opinion of that jackass who likes to see himself as the voice of reason - Captain Conservative who likes to trumpet his street cred vis a vis his visits to his boy pals in the big house but at the same time representing the 1%....... he'd like us to think he represents the 1-percenters but in reality he's advocating for the other 1% club that he can't get into because he isn't worth enough.

A kid was killed. The facts seem to be that Zimmerman rolled up on him, got his ass handed to him by a 17yr old and resorted to using his gun. How any MAN could advocate for a such a bitch as Zimmerman is beyond me and likely anyone else who's a true 1-percenter.

[runningdownthatdream]

As reports come through of another college campus massacre in California, isn't it about time that gun possession laws should be reviewed if only to try and prevent casual access to firearms by people who, sadly with hindsight, should never be allowed near them?

One thing has nothing to do with another - if not for the guns the Yanks wouldn't have thrown you despotic lot out in 1776. The problem isn't with guns per se or with restricting people's access to weapons and has more to do with cultural and social issues.

GUN CONTROL IS A RED HERRING

[robertlouis]

One thing has nothing to do with another - if not for the guns the Yanks wouldn't have thrown you despotic lot out in 1776. The problem isn't with guns per se or with restricting people's access to weapons and has more to do with cultural and social issues.

GUN CONTROL IS A RED HERRING

That was, as you say, 1776. Most societies have moved on and become more enlightened in the last 236 years, the UK certainly has.

I don't disagree at all with your central premise, but if not tighter regulation around access to firearms, which is what I'm advocating - not overall gun control - what's the alternative? Simply shrug and let the slaughter continue?

[onmyknees]

I said I want him ARRESTED.
The odds that Zimmerman is convicted by a jury of his peers in FLA, ( i.e., predominantly WHITE) are low.

It's unreal that ANYONE could blow a hole through an unarmed teenager's chest whom YOU were following in the first place, and you the shooter admit to police you murdered him and still NOT BE ARRESTED.

If Zimmerman wasn't racially profiling Trayvon, why the fuck was that asshole following him?? Why was he threatening?? What was so 'menacing' about a teenager walking back home on a candy run from the convenience store??

OMK, this is a murder case, not some black kid arrested under sketchy circumstances.

What this case is about and the reason why people are pissed off is the constant, un-ending racial profiling against minorities, in most cases unjustified, institutional racism, since no BLACK MAN could murder a 'suspicious' looking white teen and claim self-defense and not be arrested on the spot, and the most idiotic law in the country courtesy of the NRA, the SYG law.

The reason I don't care too much that NBC doctored a portion of ZImmerman's 911 call is because it was replayed UNEDITED on CBS/ABC/CNN/MSNBC.
If NBC Network News fucked it up, it doesn't change the facts of that tape. Besides there are other recordings of Zimmerman calling 911 prior where he volunteers the race of the person he's watching.
Zimmerman said it looked like Trayvon was on drugs and implied he had a weapon tucked in his waistband. WTF??

The dude should be locked up for being a delusional psychopath.

THe only people who think the pro Trayvon activists want Zimmerman to be CONVICTED are the talking heads on FAUX News.
At every rally and protest, the only demand has been for justice and Zimmerman's arrest.


Why is it that conservatives have latched on to the murder of an innocent Black teen and tried to make it something political??

That's sick.

I would answer that by asking why liberals are way over the top on this...giving out wrong addresses and endangering old folks, calling for bounties, blaming everybody from Jeb Bush to Mitt Romeny, editing 911 tapes, making outrageous statements in Congress....If you think your side is free from bad behavior in this, you're really even less objective than you sound here. Shame on you dude. Nobody's defending Zimmerman....not that I see. That shit's not flying.....I've been nothing but respectful to the family and the deceased....you're the one making wild accusations and substituting your experiences for what happened in this case, playing some sort of CSI cop....Now it's my turn for a question....how many black males were murdered in the US last year? How many times did you take to HA to lament about any of them? Don't dump this off as some political agenda...that's fucked up. Zimmerman was a registered Democrat and half Hispanic...what's the big bounty for conservatives in all that? Use your head. That's the shit your side pulls every day all day, and it's tired. Lose it. You're jaded. Get right .

[runningdownthatdream]

That was, as you say, 1776. Most societies have moved on and become more enlightened in the last 236 years, the UK certainly has.

I don't disagree at all with your central premise, but if not tighter regulation around access to firearms, which is what I'm advocating - not overall gun control - what's the alternative? Simply shrug and let the slaughter continue?

How're knife crimes coming along in the UK? What about good old-fashioned beatings at the pub? Are those on the decline? Based on the last time I looked at UK crime, it didn't seem that way. Controlling guns may lessen the number of fatalities but where there's a will there's a way.

Although I have to admit it's probably better that Arnie666 has use of a flashlight only and not a gun!

[robertlouis]

How're knife crimes coming along in the UK? What about good old-fashioned beatings at the pub? Are those on the decline? Based on the last time I looked at UK crime, it didn't seem that way. Controlling guns may lessen the number of fatalities but where there's a will there's a way.

Although I have to admit it's probably better that Arnie666 has use of a flashlight only and not a gun!

OK, the UK is far from perfect - and don't get me started on the old Etonians and their appalling government - and street crime IS a problem. That said, and in spite of tabloid doom-mongering, both long and short-term trends indicate that the overall levels of crime are falling. Add easier access to guns and that whole environment becomes exponentially more (pun alert) combustible.

And your argument is specious at best. I'm not holding up the UK as a paragon - THAT'S the red herring.

I'll ask again - what would you do? In the US there's little "will", at least in the sense of political effort to impact it, so should everyone just sit back and concede the moral ground to the NRA? And what's the Canadian perspective on it?

[runningdownthatdream]

OK, the UK is far from perfect - and don't get me started on the old Etonians and their appalling government - and street crime IS a problem. That said, and in spite of tabloid doom-mongering, both long and short-term trends indicate that the overall levels of crime are falling. Add easier access to guns and that whole environment becomes exponentially more (pun alert) combustible.

And your argument is specious at best. I'm not holding up the UK as a paragon - THAT'S the red herring.

I'll ask again - what would you do? In the US there's little "will", at least in the sense of political effort to impact it, so should everyone just sit back and concede the moral ground to the NRA? And what's the Canadian perspective on it?

The US was founded by the gun. US foreign policy is conducted from behind the gun (you may recall the term gunboat diplomacy was created to describe the US approach to Japan in the late 19th century and based on an actual incident). Americans are accustomed to leading with the gun. Rather than mandate against guns I'd be inclined to force every American to carry a gun - eventually they'll figure it out. Remember the Spartans? How long did their martial society last?

I'm not sure what the Canadian stance is - likely one closer to English or should I say Scottish sensibilities. We have a conservative government who at one point had a racist (Stockwell Day) as Minister of Public Safety. The majority in this country will suffer any kind of injustice as long as the social order remains in tact.....isn't that the Scottish thing!?