Mitt Romney -- whaddaya think???

[Prospero]

So Faldur and your ilk - can you offer an articulate argument in favour of Rick Santorum's ideas - ie a ban on abortion in all cases (including rape), on contraception, a total outlawing of homosexuality. Let's hear how these make sense in our modern world (or are the GOP and the Taliban now in accord on social policy).

[Stavros]

Santorum's positions on social issues are surely for electoral support, in practical terms a President cannot change policy just because he doesn't like it. Changing the law on civil partnerships, abortion, and homosexuality would have to be part of the legislative process in Congress, so I don't see how easy it can be for a President to get these changes unless I suppose there is an overwhelming majority of Republicans in the House and Senate who railroad new legislation through, AND a compliant Supreme Court which does not reject as unconstitutional the new laws when they are taken to apppeal. My understanding is that States can impose their own rules on law, for example I believe some states make abortion easier than others, just as some states allow civil partnerships and others do not, but at some point a citizen has the right to appeal to the State and the Federal Supreme Courts, so that real change takes time. I don't have a perfect understanding of the way the American system works, but the powers of the President are, I think, exaggerated on these issues.

[Prospero]

You are right Stavros - but I was seeking to find out from American right wingers here their view on this clutch of ideas. I wonder how they square these with their membership of a forum about what Santorum and a very wide swathe of far right folk would consider deeply deviant sexuality.

[Silcc69]

Santorum's positions on social issues are surely for electoral support, in practical terms a President cannot change policy just because he doesn't like it. Changing the law on civil partnerships, abortion, and homosexuality would have to be part of the legislative process in Congress, so I don't see how easy it can be for a President to get these changes unless I suppose there is an overwhelming majority of Republicans in the House and Senate who railroad new legislation through, AND a compliant Supreme Court which does not reject as unconstitutional the new laws when they are taken to apppeal. My understanding is that States can impose their own rules on law, for example I believe some states make abortion easier than others, just as some states allow civil partnerships and others do not, but at some point a citizen has the right to appeal to the State and the Federal Supreme Courts, so that real change takes time. I don't have a perfect understanding of the way the American system works, but the powers of the President are, I think, exaggerated on these issues.

Federal law trumps state laws. But yeah I do believe most of the time the GOP guys are simply appealing to there base. Even when Bush got in office abortion number's were the same. They would probably start another war and keep taxes low for the rich.

[trish]

You are right Stavros - but I was seeking to find out from American right wingers here their view on this clutch of ideas.

We believe that every sperm is sacred. That's why we worship fountains of hot steaming cum spewed high into the air over tits, over asses, over open mouths and reaching tongues. Each wiggling spermatozoa is a potential, nay an actual, human life. Half a set of chromosomes is sufficient information to construct a full human being. Each sperm alone is a gift from god (oops God), as is each egg. You realize Jesus himself was born of a virgin via Divinely induced parthenogenesis; i.e. He had one set of chromosomes, not two. It also means He was really a She. And that's precisely why we conservative fundamentalist AMERICANS just adore transgenders of all persuasions just as much as we love and adore Jesus (we just wish He was less of a limp wrist and more a man).

Oh, almost forgot...here's some more relevant humor. I love what Gail says about Romney ->
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/op...ry-primer.html

[muh_muh]

And that's precisely why we conservative fundamentalist AMERICANS just adore transgenders of all persuasions just as much as we love and adore Jesus (we just wish He was less of a limp wrist and more a man).

speaking of which what type of transsexual is ok with homophobes? im mean those with the pretty typical gays are icky but lesbians are a-ok views
from that perspective are mtfs icky cause theyre genetically male or are they ok cause theyre girls and is a gg having sex with a ftm transsexual man supremely hot cause genetically its 2 females having sex?
im confused

[trish]

...what type of transsexual is ok with homophobes?

The kind that pass and are still undiscovered. (I'm joking of course. You can scratch the "and are still undiscovered" and the statement will remain true of a large number of homophobes. Indeed there are quite a few gay homophobes who adore transgender women because the female secondary sexual characteristics, cosmetics, clothing etc. reduce the sexual dissonance of the admirer's own confusion. This is NOT a general remark applying all admirers by any means. Of course this site as already seen endless discussions on that topic. So I'll just stick to making jokes.)

[muh_muh]

ah right i forgot about a lot of homophobes being in the closet
what about those who arent though?

[Faldur]

So Faldur and your ilk - can you offer an articulate argument in favour of Rick Santorum's ideas - ie a ban on abortion in all cases (including rape), on contraception, a total outlawing of homosexuality. Let's hear how these make sense in our modern world (or are the GOP and the Taliban now in accord on social policy).

Well I'm not sure what "ilk" I belong to, but would happy to give you my opinion.

1) Ban on abortion: I disagree, personal belief I would love to see the number of abortions come way down. But I believe in changing minds, not laws. Do you realize abortions kill more Democrats than Republicans?

2) Banning contraception: completely insane, nuff said.

3) Outlawing homosexuality: Again this is insane, I may have an opinion on same sex marriage although not something I wish to impose on anyone else. Its my opinion.

Know thats not going to help you much, but Rick has never been anyone I have considered a viable candidate.

[Silcc69]

Well I'm not sure what "ilk" I belong to, but would happy to give you my opinion.

1) Ban on abortion: I disagree, personal belief I would love to see the number of abortions come way down. But I believe in changing minds, not laws. Do you realize abortions kill more Democrats than Republicans?

2) Banning contraception: completely insane, nuff said.

3) Outlawing homosexuality: Again this is insane, I may have an opinion on same sex marriage although not something I wish to impose on anyone else. Its my opinion.

Know thats not going to help you much, but Rick has never been anyone I have considered a viable candidate.

Why can't the GOP think like you? Rationally lol.