Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[trish]

Some of us look at both sides of the argument and come up with a different opinion than yours.

I've seen just a few pages back how you look at an issue. You decide ahead of time that the rise of ocean levels is due to anything but global heat imbalance. You do a quick internet search and find an article you have absolutely no understanding of, but you think it says ocean level rise is due to El Nino. You link the article. Turns out the article says you can see the oscillatory effects of El Nino and its cousin superposed on top of the otherwise steady rise of the oceans caused by global climate change. We can see how you reason. We understand it. Frankly, you have a lot of balls to even show up again in this thread.

When we examine the mathematics of falling bodies in light of Newton's Principia and the actual behavior of falling bodies, I expect we should come to the same conclusions. When we examine the mathematics and chemistry of planetary atmospheres in light of Newtonian principles and the actual behavior of our atmosphere, I expect us to come to the same conclusion. Most people who have taken the time to understand the physics and chemistry do. We may come to different decisions concerning what to do about those conclusions. The former is science. That latter is politics. You are letting your politics color your assessment of scientific facts.

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Someone told me last week bridges were falling down all over the US because of "lack of maintenance". I chose not to believe that, but I respect the persons view and understood why they held it.

Did you check the link in the reply post that gave more than one example of bridge collapse in the U.S. within the last decade? You didn't believe there was one, not one bridge collapse in the last decade. When I met your challenge, you didn't say, "Oops! my bad." You chose to bury your head in the sand.

[russtafa]

climate scam is the best thing they could come up with?

[Faldur]

Did you check the link in the reply post that gave more than one example of bridge collapse in the U.S. within the last decade? You didn't believe there was one, not one bridge collapse in the last decade. When I met your challenge, you didn't say, "Oops! my bad." You chose to bury your head in the sand.

Sorry Trish I had not noticed you edited it, I will look at it now.

Well I looked at it and Trish your smarter than this. Your statement was "Bridges are falling down all over the country because we aren't paying to maintain them." And my challenge to you was "Can you name ONE bridge that has fallen down due to lack of maintenance in the last 10 years? The last 30 years? How about the last 100 years? It has never happened.."

Clearly I asked you for an example of a bridge that has fallen from lack of maintenance. The I-35 bridge collapse was investigated, the NTSB determined there was a design flaw in the engineering of the bridge.

Bridges fall down all the time, your talking to someone who lives 35 miles from "Galloping Girdy". But they fall for other reasons than lack of government spending! And you wonder why we don't hang on your every word about global warming. It gets pretty deep in here, its up to the individual to come to a "personal" educated opinion. Sorry if you don't like mine.

[trish]

no Trish i don't give a flying fuck .and the real reason the world is in such a mess is because there are far to many people on this world to support it

How is that different from what I've been saying? The stress of seven billion industrious people will create anthropic collapse of all sorts of global life support systems, including the climate.

[Faldur]

How is that different from what I've been saying? The stress of seven billion industrious people will create anthropic collapse of all sorts of global life support systems, including the climate.

Along with all the collapsing bridges, oh what ever will we do..

[russtafa]

How is that different from what I've been saying? The stress of seven billion industrious people will create anthropic collapse of all sorts of global life support systems, including the climate.

i know what Australia needs and thats not a carbon tax or 2 or 3 million more people

[trish]

How many times do I have to say I am not arguing for a tax, a cap or anything political? We agree: the planet's life support systems are feeling the stress of seven billion industrious people.

[Ben]

OK, suppose climate change doesn't exist. It's a conspiracy conjured up by left wing radicals or people in the Obama administration....
What about the profound problem of infinite growth on a finite planet? What about population growth. We've got 7 billion and it'll hit 9 billion by 2050. Is that sustainable? What happens when it hits: 10, 11, 12?
http://www.economist.com/node/18200618
What about the profound problem of 200 species going extinct every single day... driven extinct, in part, by industrial civilization.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_684562.html
What about 90 percent of the big fish in the oceans are now gone.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...shdecline.html
What about water shortage? The pollution of our lakes, rivers, oceans, soil, air... have I missed anything --
I mean, we've a lot of problems, serious problems. And, again, this is presupposing that global climate change is a hoax, is a myth.
People, um, we've got some real challenges ahead of us.

[trish]

Along with all the collapsing bridges, oh what ever will we do..

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0803/p01s05-usgn.html

[Silcc69]

http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/co...mfp=001&st=&cy

Hmmmmmmmmm