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On one hand they award prizes to the top models, DVD's and producers ... and on the other hand, they also award the top stolen content site.
It's been recognised that AVN is most probably owned by Manwin, who decimated the industry with their stolen content sites.
This Years Transsexual the Year Winner Vaniity.
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and see her content for free, ripped from DVD's and websites at our Free Site of the Year Award.
Fuck you!
The address of this free site please...........:joke:
It's not hard to find - I practically give you all the info :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by supersharpshooter
they awarded porn hub , is a fucking joke, FUCK YOU AVN
What they won?
Guess we know who owns AVN
Wouldn't Hollywood giving an award to some outfit in China that bootlegs DVDs pretty much be the same thing?
It was a fan vote, so obviously that's why they won.
Fan's like free shit...
OK. I don't know much. Still agree it's bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I am with you on that, but the fact they were nominated at all should be the outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
Fans obviously voted for the free site, because that's what most use to jerk off to..tube sites.
The nominations were for Best Free Site - there were a number of sites in the list that were Manwin owned stolen content site.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
When I was at the Hard Rock Hotel last week in Vegas for Internext (AVN ran), I saw them advertising the AVN show and all the sponsors they listed were Manwin owned stolen content sites.
There 'ya go. Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
If you follow me on twitter @groobysteven please retweet me or write your own to @avnawards #fuckavn
Steven Grooby @GroobySteven FUCK YOU AVN. Awarding stolen content site Pornhub is an insult to all the performers and producers. FUCK YOU @avnawards #fuckavn
I pay for my porn! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
They plan on taking everything over...they just bought Streamate I am toldQuote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
the end is near
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Originally Posted by Nikka
The end is now...
Paysites are dead. All too easy to find everything for free now.
If paysites were making money... why would the so called top performers be web-camming for a paltry £2.00 a min on cam sites?
It was good while it lasted.....
Just out of sheer curiosity because I really don't know anything about how the industry works:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Why would one company set up a whole bunch of free sites...how do they make money by doing that?
I'd like to help you in your fight, but last time I tried to take on 'the man,' I got blacklisted. I'm going through that again. :lol:
Kidding! I support the cause. :)
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Good question and whether by design or luck, here's what happened. Just a little side comment, CEO of the company was arrested in Belgium last month on tax fraud, there are strong rumours that the Manwin has been involved in some sort of nefarious business and nobody knows where the supposed $100M that they've spent aquiring sites came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Manwin buys tube sites and propigates free content from all niches via user uploaded content (so within the law despite the content being stolen). Industry starts to suffer and some paysites are acquired by Manwin cheaper than they would have been a few years previously, over the years these include Brazzers, Twisty's, Reality Kings, Digital Playground and even the web arm of Playboy.
Manwin builds these websites and using partly traffic from their stolen content tube sites, converts traffic from them (they also disallow THEIR content to be shown on the tube sites). The end game clearly would be to continue to buy good sites or programs.
Zzzzz. I've heard this for the past few years yet we've just had an awesome year with good growth. Shitty paysites, poorly run businesses and lazy webmasters have had their day. Companies who continue to please their customers, to change with the times, to fight piracy of their content and to produce quality content can still flourish. Which is why Grooby is shooting more scenes a month than ever before.Quote:
Originally Posted by tvkim
not going through that*Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
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Is this the guy? Fabian Thylmann
http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...0/web-porn.jpg
Thats him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
Heeeeey, sexy mon... err... baby! Wanna go out some time? I love your cas... err... eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
I'm not a gold digger. Why? Got any? :whistle:
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Described as reclusive. Wonder if he avoids being seen standing behind windows.
http://imagens.canaltech.com.br/1118...nn-YouPorn.jpg
Fabian Thylmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Fabian Thylmann is the owner of some of the world’s most heavily used pornography websites, via his company Manwin, which has its headquarters in Luxembourg and offices in Hamburg, London, Los Angeles, Nicosia and Montreal.[1] Combined, his sites generate some 16 billion hits per month and consequently are believed to be among the most popular websites on the planet.
Little is known of the reclusive Thylmann, other than he was born in 1978, is German, lives in Belgium, is married with two children and is a computer programmer. His breakthrough came in the late 1990s when he developed software called NATS (Next-generation Affiliate Tracking Software), which linked up the vast number of internet pornography sites for the first time and enabled visitors to select sex films according to personal preference.[2]
He has only ever given one press interview, to the German edition of the Financial Times at a pornography trade fair in Las Vegas in 2011, which described him as 'The King of Porn'. At the time he welcomed the chance to "clear up rumours" and "dispel conspiracy theories" about his identity. "NATS was very easy to use and could do what the others couldn't. Our objective is actually rather banal, we want to create as many opportunities as possible for people to spend money." He has not spoken publicly since.
Germany's Focus magazine claimed that he has revolutionised the business of pornography consumption by allowing the free viewing of pornographic video clips, while being paid for advertising pay-for-view pornographic sites. His success has led to claims that he has crippled the traditional porn industry.
In December 2012, he was extradited from Belgium to Germany on suspicion of tax evasion on the estimated £60 million annual profits his company allegedly makes. Thylmann did not contest the extradition order.
Quite a business plan, but I'm not sure what rational person would ever believe it could work prior to implementing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
It's like me spending all kinds of money to set up stores that will give food away for free and when the "paystores" lose value due to having less paying customers, I buy them on the cheap. Then, while continuing to run stores that give food away, I'm depending on the people who are getting free food to then come to my "paystore" and spend their money on what they're already getting for free.
Then there's this bit of rubbish: "Germany's Focus magazine claimed that he has revolutionised the business of pornography consumption by allowing the free viewing of pornographic video clips, while being paid for advertising pay-for-view pornographic sites. His success has led to claims that he has crippled the traditional porn industry."
So let me get this straight...crippled paysites who are losing business due to the free sites actually PAY for advertising on the free sites, expecting their former customers will come back and pay them for content?
Something is missing here...no idea what, but something definitely is.
Remember, not all of the stores have the same items. They're giving away content on which they can't make a profit to sell that which they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
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So what you're saying is that 100's of millions of dollars are being wagered on the guess of which gangbang scene will make money and which will not?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
No, that's not the answer.
And the reason that no paysite ever thought about setting up their own freesite in order to drive traffic to their paysite is...what?
the big tube sites generate millions of dollars in advertising per year ... they simply sell advertising not porn ... its all about advertising .
Yeah you clearly don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
It's a common business model in the "real" world. Devalue a business or a type of business either by under-cutting or giving away for next to nothing and when there is no competition, or you've bought it all, then up the prices and close down the free outlets.
BTW - it's highly unlikely that Fabian is the "owner" of Manwin - that would mean in about 6 yrs he managed to raise $100M from the banks when the banks weren't lending. There is also a strong rumour he's just been replaced.
But the free outlets haven't been closed down...actually, there probably are more of them. Aside from that, governments typically don't allow such monopolies in the "real" world. Verizon can't buy AT&T.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Something's still missing.
No non-porn business advertises on free porn tube sites that I've ever seen...which have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
they generate millions of dollars in adult companies advertising .. come now use some logic here .. Webcam sites, novelty toys, adult dating sites, escort sites etc you will see vast numbers advertising ..
take live jasmin as a prime example of paid advertisement. they are everywhere haha, speculate to accumalate
Go contact some big tubes about sponsership rates for primarly adverts on the sites and see what the costs are that they quote you :) they have some mad advertising deals for people ..in ways they offer site/product placements ..
one of my escort clients owns a large adult dating company across europe/uk ..they spend a fortune on advertisement with some tube sites to get them the signups of members .. then market their own wares into them etc
Except for adult dating sites, including LJ, I've never seen those others...besides, we're not talking about millions in advertising but 100's of millions...Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
It's not about choosing which will make them money Vegas style. It's about giving away that which is owned by others as a loss-leader to profit from that which is owned by the tube site owner. As Steven said, there's also money in commissions and advertising revenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
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So what's all that bit about free sites buying the paysites...what's that all about...if they're stealing content from paysite producers with little or no legal repercussion, why buy the paysites?Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
... to either rebuild them, cannibalize them, or just shut them down in order to create a monopoly. This is Business 101. Which part don't you get? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
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Yes, but that goes back to an earlier question of mine...who's going to spend 100's of millions of dollars setting up free sites and buying paysites in the hope that people getting something for free are then going to turn around and buy it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
It's like, you've already damaged the paysites' business by giving content away for free...then, you're going to spend money buying that paysite and continue to damage it by giving content away for free on the theory that people getting free content are all of a sudden going to buy it?
No.
Somehow I don't think there's a lot of congressional interest in breaking up porn monopolies. They have better things to not do.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
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