Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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trish
The NRA, once a simple organization for hunters and sportsmen, has now become a malignant tumor in the belly of what could still be a promising nation. The new rash of SYG and misconstrued castle laws are the toxic output of this sick cancer.
From this side of the pond, I fear you are a lone voice - someone prove me otherwise.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
"Maybe in the UK they convict people for defending themselves but not here. A case study in my CHL class was a Houston man who ran a recycling business, and kept waking up to find scores of recycled cans missing from his property that cost him money. He sat out at night keeping watch, and two unarmed white teenagers came crawling over his fence, and started bagging up more cans. He shot them both and killed them. Was that murder?
No. No charges were filed against him.
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Do you know the name of this case? There has to be more to the story. The kids had to have done something more than simply hop the fence and steal some cans. If that's all they did, then the shooter should have been arrested. They were trespassing, and even committing the felony of burglary, but that doesn't mean the shooter can say he was in fear of his life.
Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws don't change the fact that the shooter still has to prove that he was in fear of his life. The shooter can't just say he was in fear of his life. He has to pass the 'Reasonable Person' test. Would a Reasonable Person have been in fear of his life? Two Girl Scout s knock on your door to sell cookies? You can say you felt in fear for your life, but no Reasonable Person would have been scared by two girl scouts selling cookies . However, your daughter's ex-boyfriend breaks into your house holding a machete and heads to her bedroom to attack her? Well, thats a different story. You don't have to wait for him to break down her door, or swing the machete at you. SYG and CD just mean you can never be asked 'Why didn't you try to run?'.
Unless there is more to the story involving the guy who owned the recycling business, you may have been taught wrong in that CHL class.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
you are not allowed to used deadly force to defend property in calif
if some one steals from you then runs you can not use deadly force to stop them.
you can only use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon in calif
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Originally Posted by
Queens Guy
"Maybe in the UK they convict people for defending themselves but not here. A case study in my CHL class was a Houston man who ran a recycling business, and kept waking up to find scores of recycled cans missing from his property that cost him money. He sat out at night keeping watch, and two unarmed white teenagers came crawling over his fence, and started bagging up more cans. He shot them both and killed them. Was that murder?
No. No charges were filed against him.
x x x x x
Do you know the name of this case? There has to be more to the story. The kids had to have done something more than simply hop the fence and steal some cans. If that's all they did, then the shooter should have been arrested. They were trespassing, and even committing the felony of burglary, but that doesn't mean the shooter can say he was in fear of his life.
Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws don't change the fact that the shooter still has to prove that he was in fear of his life. The shooter can't just say he was in fear of his life. He has to pass the 'Reasonable Person' test. Would a Reasonable Person have been in fear of his life? Two Girl Scout s knock on your door to sell cookies? You can say you felt in fear for your life, but no Reasonable Person would have been scared by two girl scouts selling cookies . However, your daughter's ex-boyfriend breaks into your house holding a machete and heads to her bedroom to attack her? Well, thats a different story. You don't have to wait for him to break down her door, or swing the machete at you. SYG and CD just mean you can never be asked 'Why didn't you try to run?'.
Unless there is more to the story involving the guy who owned the recycling business, you may have been taught wrong in that CHL class.
Re: police going to arrest zimmerman on these charges but stop cause his dad is a jud
you are welcome!
A Mother's Day Message From Trayvon's Mom: VIDEO
http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/a-m...#ixzz1un9xiwfv
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Originally Posted by
natina
Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.
That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.
The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.
Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.
But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.
To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.
The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:
•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.
•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.
•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.
Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.
When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.
Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-show-accident
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natina
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natina
ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite
Criminally Negligent Homicide
(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.
What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.
Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:
-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator
-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program
-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement
Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.
He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.
In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,
or the firing of the gun.
Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.
If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...
then he's guilty under the law
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natina
Read more:
http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/03/zi...#ixzz1unjLoUue
George Zimmerman Arrested! Father A Judge; Above The Law
April 11th, 2012 Update:
George Zimmerman was arrested Wednesday on a charge of second degree murder in the death of 17 year old Trayvon Martin. According to his attorney, a warrant for his arrest was declared and he is now in the custody of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
The Murder could have been prevented: More expected actions
The public is demanding in addition to his arrest, more severe investigative and disciplinary actions into the obvious laxity and complicity in the Florida police department. The extreme delay it took in bringing a most glaring criminal charge elucidates a deficit in department conduct.
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Late March, the Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte had said that so many people complained at the city commission meeting about Sanford officers, the city asked the Department of Justice to step in.
“I am now in the process of talking with the Department of Justice and instituting a mechanism whereby citizens that have concerns or complaints about the Sanford Police Department can have their concerns heard and investigated by an independent agency,” Bonaparte said.
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http://www.newsrescue.com/wp-content...12_BillLee.jpgSanford Police Chief Bill Lee Stepped down temporarily earlier. Bonaparte stands behind in image
Police criminal negligence?
There were obvious lapses in judgement and execution of police protocol favorable to this judge’s son that in the first place allowed this dangerous criminal with past records of violence against police, carry a concealed weapon, hunt his neighbors- which the police were well aware of- culminating in his- Zimmermans murder of Trayvon. And more severe abnormalities in the department that allowed his release from custody after the crime, even though ‘unnecessary man slaughter’ had been written on his folder.
Further, the declaration of Trayvon ‘missing’ for three days while his family searched for him, when the police had his personal information as is seen in the image above, from the day of the murder, raises the instance of ‘aiding and abetting and concealing’ murder within the department.
March 27th, 2012; Updated March 29th {Video of Zimmerman arriving at police precinct}
George Zimmerman Arrested Thrice! Father A Judge; Above The Law
NewsRescue- That George Zimmerman is yet eluding justice defies all logic and sets dangerous precedence in the United States- that individuals of all races with prior arrests for dangerous activity including violently resisting arrest- beating up the arresting officer- can posses a concealed weapon, in civilian clothes, advance toward anyone they deem suspicious and shoot dead that individual if he is combative or resistant to their advance.
George Zimmerman’s white father, Judge Robert J. Zimmerman as quoted below, described George as a ‘Spanish speaking minority’, painting him as neither Jewish, nor white. Well, being Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia must then be a religion and not a heritage, and being white must only be matrilineal as paternal contributions must not reflect, in his fathers point of view.
George Zimmerman is as Hispanic as Obama is White, after all, Obama’s mom is white, just like George’s mom is from Cuba, while Obama’s dad is black, just as Zimmerman’s dad is White. Perhaps Judge Robert Zimmerman suggests we apply the ‘one-drop’ rule.
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George Zimmerman clearly disobeyed police instructions before assassinating the teen. Here is exactly what the dispatcher said:
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
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Zimmerman: Yah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that.
But as we now know, Zimmerman’s history of police disobedience is not new, what is odd is the Police, government and main stream media reaction to this clearly dangerous precedent.
One of the most factual analysis’ of the case thus far can be read below:
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Bill Schmalfeldt
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CNN revealed a telling piece of information Friday that has been missed by many of the media outlets covering the slaying of 17-year old Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch captain on Feb. 26.
“The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading,” his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. “Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.”
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“George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever.” (Emphasis added.)
Might this explain why, when he was first taken to police headquarters on Feb. 26, the lead investigator wanted to bring charges against Zimmerman, saying he was unconvinced of the 28-year old’s description of events.
ABC News reports:
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The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager
Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain
George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
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But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.
According to Think Progress, Wolfinger has since removed himself from the case.
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Was Wolfinger doing a favor for a retired judge? The blog Hinterland Gazette believes that may be the case.
It should be noted that George Zimmerman may have received favorable treatment from the police because of his family. According to court records, his father is retired Supreme Court Magistrate Judge Robert Zimmerman and his mother Gladys Zimmerman was a court clerk. Connections in the legal community run deep and go far.
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Might this also explain the younger Zimmerman’s record that includes three “closed arrests”?
Related: NewsRescue-Zimmerman murder of US black teen Trayvon Martin in Florida finally gets attention
Read more: http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/03/zi...#ixzz1unjhtRpa
http://www.newsrescue.com/2012/03/zi...#axzz1uni1jbe4
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Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed
Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed
WPLG/CNN|Added on March 21, 2012Trayvon's girlfriend: the neighborhood watch captain accused of shooting Martin was following him, might have pushed him.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn
new evidence /witness zimmerman on top of trayvon martin
new evidence /witness zimmerman on top of trayvon martin
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn
prosecutor new evidence released in trayvon martin shooting death
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/15/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2
Re: Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed
"Objection your honor! Hearsay. The witness was not present at the time of the death, and she has a history of refusing to co-operate with the investigation."
Never mind the medical records which have now surfaced: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...ry?id=16353532
Zimmerman will walk... mark my words... he was over charged and will walk for the same reason that Casey Anthony did... the prosecution will not be able to prove their case to the degree charged.
Re: Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed
BULLSHIT!
What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.
Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:
-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator
-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program
-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement
Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.
He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.
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Originally Posted by
bobvela
"Objection your honor! Hearsay. The witness was not present at the time of the death, and she has a history of refusing to co-operate with the investigation."
Never mind the medical records which have now surfaced:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...ry?id=16353532
Zimmerman will walk... mark my words... he was over charged and will walk for the same reason that Casey Anthony did... the prosecution will not be able to prove their case to the degree charged.
Re: Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed
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Originally Posted by
bobvela
"Objection your honor! Hearsay. The witness was not present at the time of the death, and she has a history of refusing to co-operate with the investigation."
Never mind the medical records which have now surfaced:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...ry?id=16353532
Zimmerman will walk... mark my words... he was over charged and will walk for the same reason that Casey Anthony did... the prosecution will not be able to prove their case to the degree charged.
The jury options for sentencing are broader than they were in the Casey Anthony trial, I believe.
In the Casey Anthony trial, it was 1st degree murder or nothing, that's how I remember it however I still thought they would have had a wider range of sentencing guidelines.
With the Zimmerman trial, the prosecution is pursuing 2nd degree murder charges but I think the jurors have the discretion to charge him with a lesser offense.
I doubt Zimmerman is convicted of 2nd degree murder, but I have a hard time believing he's not charged with voluntary manslaughter.
The 'win' for the Trayvon Martin family was finally seeing Zimmerman arrested and forced to go to trial. Everything after that is a crapshoot. This isn't Massachusetts. This is Florida. Normal doesn't apply here.
As for the release of Zimmerman's medical records following his 'attack' by Trayvon, you need to read between the lines.
This medical report was compiled by Zimmerman's FAMILY DOCTOR, not an ER physician. The report said Zimmerman had injuries to his face that 'could' result in two black eyes...wtf does that mean?? Most black eyes occur within less than an hour after the initial injury, not 48-72 hours later.
As for the broken nose, that can't be diagnosed without an X-ray exam. As far as I know those tests don't exist, even though Zimmerman's family doctor said he had a 'closed fracture' break.
Again, nothing in that report suggests Zimmerman suffered life threatening injuries. It implies George was in a fight and his inner pussy came to the surface and he decided to murder that kid in cold blood.
Just remember that Zimmerman's camp claims he suffered a broken nose but there was no blood coming from his nostrils that night or staining the front of his shirt.
