I posted the same pic on another site, only to receive a response from an American suggesting I was dumb because, "There are so many more guns in the US, you moron."Quote:
Originally Posted by yosi
FFS.
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I posted the same pic on another site, only to receive a response from an American suggesting I was dumb because, "There are so many more guns in the US, you moron."Quote:
Originally Posted by yosi
FFS.
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Originally Posted by yosi
I recognize the syndrome. The very thought of a gun will give the enthusiast an erection, draining the blood from his brains and turning him into stupid bimbo bullet whore. These guys stagger around the U.S. quoting the 2nd Amendment like zombies chanting, "Brains, brains, must have brains."Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
The problem isn't the numbers.
They are still high today.
The problem is that people should still do some basic fact checking and at least make sure that their poster is somewhat accurate. That poster is from the 1980's...West Germany should be the dead giveaway. I'm not saying the figures are vastly different now (I didn't check)...all I'm saying is before you put up a soundbite...at least make sure it's accurate.
(BTW I mentioned this the last time it was posted)
2010 CDC study found that in the U.S. for that year there were
11,078 homicides by gun,
19,392 suicides with guns,
851 accidental gun deaths,
23,273 non-fatal gun injuries.
There are studies more recent than 2010. Congress, under the GOP, has demanded that the CDC cease any studies of gun violence.
Sorry, auto correct "decontracted" the "aren't" in my last post. The following links may clarify the restrictions I mentioned that have been placed on the CDC in regards to gun violence.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-n...esearch-2013-1
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013...-violence-ends
This is a pretty good quote I took from your second link:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
RAND Corp.'s Dr. Art Kellermann, a health policy analyst, is well-acquainted with the political history of the debate.
Kellermann grew up with guns in East Tennessee. "Having a gun in your house was about as controversial as having a washing machine," he says. He says he was quite familiar with the idea of keeping a gun in the house for protection.
"But as a young ER doc, I wasn't seeing too many bad guys shot by homeowners," he says. "I was seeing kids shot by another child while they played with a gun they had found. I saw spouses who had shot one or the other in a family dispute. And I saw older individuals and sometimes teenage kids who used a gun to either take their life or attempt to take their life."
(I apologize if it was already used and I missed it.)
Okay, so anyway, I tried to update that poster as best I could (considering I have a hangover)using this site: www.gunpolicy.org
I tried to use data from the same (2010) of each country,but that isn't always possible, but you can always go to the site and enter everything on your own.
Japan - forget it...it's just very, very low.
UK - 2010: 155
Switzerland - 2010 : 279 (combining 2010 homicides with a 3 yr.avg.of suicide)
Canada - I just came up with 781 avg.data from 2006 & little slips of paper..lol
Israel - 2009 : 139
Sweden - 2010 :138
Germany - 2010 : 903
U.S. - 2010 : 31,672
you can also look up the annual rate of gun deaths per 100,000...but it isn't always available for every country.
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Originally Posted by fred41
Protection from what? from other poeple with guns.....
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Originally Posted by fred41
God knows what these hillbillies need protection against. Other hillbillies, revenuers and the ATF one can only presume. But I do appreciate his testimonial as an ER doctor...Quote:
Originally Posted by yosi
"But as a young ER doc, I wasn't seeing too many bad guys shot by homeowners," he says. "I was seeing kids shot by another child while they played with a gun they had found. I saw spouses who had shot one or the other in a family dispute. And I saw older individuals and sometimes teenage kids who used a gun to either take their life or attempt to take their life."
Guns are very rarely USED for protection. They are used quite often as security blankets. A gun bought for protection is simply a very dangerous security blanket and just as childish.
I don't have a problem with guns or the lame arguments in here from all sides. My problem is with the constant state of panic over the issue & use of the same tired rhetoric as a smokescreen to strengthen oligarchic control. It's disappointing to see people fall for it, over & over & over again. One's political bent only defines who you're scared of if you get suckered into the panic. The internet makes it easier. How many klan/nazis does it take, in the blogosphere or on Youtube whatever, to convince the stereotypical left that the goose steppers are on their way? How many to rile up the stereotypical right, who are already convinced that their government is the enemy? All kinds of wannabe "intellectuals" & blind ideologues will tell you how fucked up everything is, but can't pinpoint a cause or come up with a solution of any kind. It's just a power grab. "You can always hire half the poor to kill the other half." (attributed to Boss Tweed, but who knows...)
Nobody's trying to take your guns. The people telling you there is, are the same ones who are trying to take away your Social Security check. Think about it.
Guns not only need to be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill, but also out of the hands of those who threaten domestic violence or have a record of domestic violence. Background checks should be designed to flag such risks.
http://nyti.ms/ZC2Ucs
Surprise, surprise... democrats in the Senate have dropped the parts proposed legislation which would ban assault weapons because "it doesn't have enough support." Cowardly Republicans in the pickets of the NRA.
The title of this thread should be changed to - how the gun lobby has the American nation by the balls.
from a Twitter feed: @billmon1: Senate drops assault rifle ban. Rest will die in House. NRA raised ton $. Gun sales soared. Sandy Hook really worked out well 4 gun industry
Yep a nation and its madness. Sigh....
Dropping the assault rifle ban may have been the smart thing for Sen. Reed to do. It just gives more conservative Senators (later Congressmen) an excuse to vote against the bill. The best strategy may be to put each item into a separate bill; e.g. a separate bill for background checks and the gun-show loophole, a separate bill for limiting magazine capacity, a separate bill for keeping guns from people with a record of domestic threats of violence, etc. At least then we get to see how the nuts in power segregate themselves among the issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by thombergeron
NRA Wins Again? Assault Weapons Ban DROPPEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
NRA Wins Again? Assault Weapons Ban DROPPED - YouTube
Perhaps it is a good political tact but IMHO that was not Reed's motive at all. The Senator is infamous for being in the NRA's pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
What is amazing is that public opinion polls on these issues and the willingness for elected officials to buck their great constituencies opinions on guns is a testimony to the power of special interests. Sad commentary on the state of American political realities IMHO.
Michele Bachmann says that Obamacare will "literally" kill people.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...yer_embedded#!
Good. So healthcare kills but guns don't?
Fuck me sideways.
In America "literally" means "not necessarily so."
So Gershwin was really saying "It literally is so" in Porgy and Bess???Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I remember the first time I ever heard Michele Bachman was when she was acting as a surrogate for McCain-Palin and went on an infamous rant about investigating "anti-American" members of Congress. I thought at the time that this woman was bat-shit crazy and would be drown in an absolute backlash for such McCarthy like proclamations.
That she became a major GOP figure and the the Tea Party success has over time showed me that the US has room for some really bat-shit crazy people who wrap themselves in supposed patriotism but actually are just inflammatory self-serving fools catering to a faction of the country that is scared shitless that the world is changing.
The fact that she nearly lost her gerrymandered district in the last election leaves hope that maybe, just maybe people are starting see through someone who proclaims they are for freedom and wants to hold un-American investigations, who proclaims she believes in the welfare of the people yet opposes a vehicle that will deal with 20 MILLION uninsured citizens.
Freedom to folks like Bachman simply means the capitalist elite are free to make money and pay less taxes, regardless of the impact on the other 99% of the country.
NRA litters Newtown with Robocalls and postcards urging people to oppose a ban on assault weapons. It takes brass...
WASHINGTON -- The National Rifle Association came under fire late Thursday from members of a gun-control advocacy group in Newtown, Conn., after reports surfaced of Newtown residents receiving robocalls and pro-gun postcards from the NRA.
The advocacy group, the Newtown Action Alliance, posted a Facebook message Thursday about the calls, prompting responses from people who said they'd received communications from the NRA and were upset by them.
"I received one of these," Newtown resident Christopher Wenis wrote on Facebook Thursday afternoon. "I was insulted and offended." Wenis told The Huffington Post in an interview Friday night that in the 36 hours since he first posted his response, he received two more robocalls from the NRA, one later on Thursday night and one Friday evening.
"I've got a 5-year-old son who went to preschool on the Sandy Hook Elementary School campus," Wenis explained. "And this was a really hard week for me on a lot of levels. These calls were the very last thing I needed."
Wenis said that he called the NRA twice to request that his name be placed on a "Do Not Call List" -- first on Tuesday and again Thursday. He said an NRA phone operator assured him he would be removed from NRA call lists. But the calls kept coming. By Friday night, Wenis said, he was desperate to be left in peace.
Another woman, Lisa Abrams, wrote on Facebook that she had "received a call and a postcard asking me to call my congressmen and tell them 'NO ASSUALT WEAPONS BAN' [sic] ... I was not happy and needless to say did just the opposite!"
Tom Maurath, a 40-year resident of Newtown, said he was having dinner with his family on Tuesday when the phone rang at 6:37 p.m. "Our caller ID announces who is calling, and when I heard 'National Rifle Association,' I jumped to answer the phone so my 6-year-old son wouldn't get there first," he told The Huffington Post in an interview. "Our son loves to answer the phone because it might be Grandma."
Maurath said he listened to a prerecorded message about Connecticut state gun legislation for about 30 seconds -- a call that he was stunned to realize took no account of who might pick up the phone.
"The idea that this message could have been delivered to a sibling of one of the families who lost children at [Sandy Hook Elementary School] is just appalling," he said.
In the months since the tragic school shooting in December, Newtown has become a focal point for the nation's renewed debate over gun control, as well as an international symbol of America's epidemic of gun violence. The Connecticut Legislature is considering a bevy of gun-control measures in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre. On Tuesday, a bill requiring universal background checks for gun purchases in Connecticut cleared a key committee. The state already has a ban in place on military-style assault weapons.
This week Maurath also received a postcard from the NRA, which he shared with HuffPost. The blaze-orange card proclaims, "Despite public outcry, anti-gun legislators in the Connecticut General Assembly are aggressively forging ahead with numerous proposals that are designed to disarm and punish law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen."
(Rep. Dan Carter, mentioned on the card, is the state legislator who represents Newtown.)
Maurath said the script of the phone message sounded a lot like the postcard. He also said that at least a half-dozen of his fellow residents in Newtown had told him they received similar robocalls.
A spokesman for the NRA, which opposes the measures being proposed in Connecticut, said robocalls in the state were made to NRA members and supporters, and were designed to be informative about the legislation being considered.
As is the case in other states, "We have members, contributors, and supporters in Connecticut who expect us to do our jobs and keep them abreast of developments on the legislative front in their state," NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam told HuffPost.
Maurath, however, could think of no reason why he would have been singled out to receive such a call. A registered independent, he said he has "thought over and over about any reason I would have been on their lists, but there isn't one. I have zero connection to this group or any affiliated group."
Robocalls are nothing new for the NRA or for many large advocacy groups. Tax-exempt groups like charities and advocacy groups, as well as political campaigns, are exempt from many of the restrictions placed on commercial telemarketing calls by the Federal Trade Commission. It's common for advocacy groups on both sides of the political spectrum to purchase mailing lists and phone lists from other like-minded organizations, such as political parties that generally support the same issue platform. The NRA is known for being very protective of its member lists.
Maurath is still in shock over why Newtown residents weren't exempted from this round of NRA robocalls.
"There are only three phone number prefixes here in town, and it's less than three months after the most horrific tragedy imaginable," he said. "You'd think they could have scrubbed the list, just to be decent. Instead, you're making an unsolicited call with no opt-out that my children could answer.
Well 98 days since Newtown over 2,200 Americans have died via fire arms.
It appears we will again face 3 times the death and injury from firearms than we did from 9-11. 9-11 created a reaction where Americans overwhelming supported the gutting of constitution and engaged in the two longest wars in US history.
Yet somehow the power of special interests continues to make it possible for the US ignore that it is desperate in need of gun safety regulations and reduce the number of firearms, the easy access to military grade assault weapons and gun show loophole that allows individuals to end run existing gun safety regulations and registration.
Firearms are a far bigger danger to US citizens than terrorists. Many of the same people that believe Cheney and his lawyer Addington were correct in calling the Geneva Convention and its protection of POWs quaint, site an amendment to the Constitution that is over 200 years old and truly did not comprehend the 21st Century, the lack of impact that militias would have or the carnage that the right to bear unabated would create.
It actually is amazing to me how quickly news cycles kill popular opinion and how well capitalized special interests can kill change in the face of the overwhelming facts that the US gun laws are inadequate and are killing over 10,000 people each year. While I continue to hope the best for my country and truly love it, it is shameful and sad just how f'ed up we can be on critical issues, whether they be guns or climate change or white collar crime. For all the great things about America and the very real goodness of our citizens as a society we are lost people or should I say sheepeople?
Here, here for Jim Carey!
Where,where?...There,there?
all kidding aside ..very funny video.
While funny a video the underlying problem is awful. It is rather amazing that the US is so behind the curve on this issue. Imagine if on average 12,000 Americans died at the hands of any source that did not have lobbying power of the gun industry. It would politically be impossible to to fight any legislation or executive action to stop that kind of carnage. If it was inflicted on the nation by a foreign source a declaration of war would to take place.
It was to me the ultimate in hypocrisy to see Karl Rove suggest that gun registration would create lists that the government would use to infringe on American's privacy and rights. This is the same man that supported the Bush Adminstration in the wire tapping and detention of US citizens without warrants that would have taken a mere 48 hours to get because the Administration said they felt the danger was too great in those 48 hours, while in reality in every case danger did not exist and they were at the direction of the Vice President were hell bent on establishing the imperial President, where he had greater power than the other two branches.
If Newtown won't wake up our leaders what will it take?
Never thought I'd be passing thru a gun shop last week. The ones with the banana clips really caught my eye. A clerk said that they are classified as pistols. But is is some sort of kit that can transform them into AK-47's. So even with an assault weapon ban, it apppears to me that some people can still get them.
The clerk doesn't know what s/he is talking about. Under Federal law, an AK-47 is considered a machine gun. You can't simply buy a conversion kit to make an AK pistol into an AK-47. S/he was probably talking about converting the pistol into a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR). To modify the pistol into a SBR, you have to pay a tax stamp and do some paperwork including fingerprints.Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
By the way, the right term is banana magazine.
The Republicans in Congress don't give a shit personally about shooting off guns, ....weakening the virile gun lobby can only hurt their strength in the political arena and strengthen the democrats. Many people vote republican ONLY because they are the perceived GUN party. Being pro-gun does not take away one cent from the uber-rich either, most of the things the republicans stand for put money IN rich people's pockets, health care and free college loans take money OUT of their pockets. One percent of taxes for schools, roads, cops, hospitals....costs the average joe 500 bucks. But it costs the Koch Bros. millions. Every Yahoo that dreams of being Rambo translates into more money in the Koch Brother's pockets.
Sounds like a messy read. I suppose monkeys are the 'targeted' subscribers?Quote:
Originally Posted by notdrunk
How to convert your AK semi-automatic into an automatic weapon.
http://www.hackcanada.com/ice3/misc/ak47mod.txt
It's not recommended. It could be dangerous and it's definitely illegal. But many folks do it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../2797196/posts
Cruz, Paul and Rubio have all promised to use the filibuster to stop any gun control bill from coming to vote.
Obama is right, shame on them for forgetting so quickly. Cruz is the modern day Joe McCarthy so there is little surprise here and Paul's position is only as inconsistent as is the policy positions of most right wing GOPers pretending to be Libertarians, but Rubio is just an opportunoistic empty suit IMHO.
Sadly if same sex marriage is any example, right wing tools only learn from personal tragedy so while I wish no such thing on these empty hearts perhaps their positions would change if their loved ones were cut down in the prime of life by assault weapons and or unregistered weapons.
A Pennsylvania man shoot his own groin and other gun related mayhem that happened just yesterday:
http://nyti.ms/170psJ5
Gun control? Wisconsin is gonna be a hard nut to crack....
Yeah. People point to gun violence in Chicago and say, "See, gun control doesn't work." They fail to mention that all a Chicagoan needs to do to buy a gun a step over to Wisconsin. What doesn't work is not having tight Federal controls on the proliferation of the tools of violence.
It appears that there's enough collective amnesia already about the horror of Sandy Hook to ensure that no meaningful reform will take place. I shake my head in sorrow for your country.
I thought we already figured out that Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many as he did if the kindergarten students & teachers at Sandy Hook had all been strapped.
That's right, Lanza would have had to compete with the other shooters. His kill count would have been lower, and the total death count a lot higher. Win-win!
So as I walked past the pawn shop, this semi-automatic machine pistol kept talking to me, saying "Buy me. Fill me with bullets. Kill people.". So of course I bought it, along with a couple thousand rounds of ammunition & a kit to convert it to full auto. How do you say no to such a pleasant commanding voice? I'm not stupid though. I'm not going to finish the task until I get confirmation from the voice that I'm not crazy. It'd be so much easier to listen for a sign if those brats at that day care center next door would SHUT THE FUCK UP! Ok, calm again. No worries...