I called jamie maricon, which is what he is lmaoooQuote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
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I called jamie maricon, which is what he is lmaoooQuote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
That's not very nice though. No need to call people names.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
It's ok, jamie and eva and their pals use all these terms interchangeably and they think we're all fags in denial...but aside from that:Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
So now what you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
Oh so you're one of their pals, eh? And maricon basically means faggot. I could see how some people think its fun to call each other names like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc
Hmm, something tells me that you two aren't pals though.
You didn't answer my question...and you're being way too serious...Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
Oh i thought you were asking Jamie. Well my 2 cents is that admiring TS isn't gay but it's definitely not straight. It's somewhere in the middle between 100% homo and 100% hetero. So I think we're on a sliding scale of sexuality that can change as we get older. I think it's called the Kinsey scale? I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that would disagree but that's what makes sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
When people ask about what's up with me loving TS I just tell them I'm bi. I'm not attracted to men so it isn't really the perfect little definition for what turns me on. But, people are more familiar with that and so they it's easier to explain. I usually kid around and tell them that I call myself a tranny chaser. Most people haven't even heard of that term. The people that do ask are just curious and I get a few laughs out of it.
Not that...I meant what do you think about jamie saying having sex with a transsexual being a homosexual act.Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
Well that was my answer. It's right in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
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Originally Posted by nysprod
Context, Nysprod. Context.
Faggot, Queer, Fudgepacker, Shit stabber, Rump Ranger, Sausage Jockey, Fairy, Limp Wristed, ect. are all just words. Words are just a combination of sounds to convey a thought.
But use of any word in improper context is disrespectful and on terms of bullying.
I ( and Jamie, and other LGBT folk ) playfully use these terms in jest. Since you consider yourself Straight. You don't fit in to properly use these slurs, especially in jest.
So by understanding proper context use, your use of "maricon" is a distasteful and disrespectful slur.
Furthermore, using improper pronouns with purposeful ill intent ( especially on this board ) is rude and very disrespectful. Being as though it was said here on this board, your using the pronoun "He" is a step on a very short ladder to being banned. It may be a typo, but your lack of editing or stating to the contrary shows it was purposeful.
Thanks. :D
Dude. I'm THE fag, make no mistake. If a tranny gives you a boner, guess what? So's you. It will always be a dick, it will always have XY chromosomes, it will never have a uterus, it's voice will be deep, it's shadow will be 5 o' clock and you will eat that shit up, everytime. We are fairies, we are one, we are legion. Welcome to the queer side.
Fag.
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Originally Posted by nysprod
Yeah you little bitch I will eat it, suck it, fuck it and love it like the homo I am!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
OMG homo, relax! Thanks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EvaCassini
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Originally Posted by nysprod
That was truly heart warming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
Classic example of the defense mechanism called projection. I'm sensing some inner struggles. It'll be alright. I promise. Stay fabulous.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Guys want the cock, that's what makes tgirls different from genetic girls. I'm comfortable with that & I don't need to categorise that info for myself or anyone else.
Back to the subject, OK I see feminine Tgirls, but don't see borderline or more masculine TS or CD. I'm probably not totally straight by that - however I am very OK and confident in my choices.
When I am with a feminine Tgirl that considers herself female, we for all practical purposes straight. When our cocks touch or either of us is using cock for pleasure of the other, there is certainly a bi-component to me.
My internal feelings are different with a tgirl compared to a GG. I like both but it is different. Outside of the bedroom, I really enjoy hanging out with a TS and am comfortable being in public with them. The public really watches Tgirls at a restaurant or bar, but if they are being clocked it is in a positive manner - they want her too.
Actually, it was all just kidding around...Jamie and I have a similar sense of humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddygirl
wrong, I was in trouble once with a guy from middle east , because he thought I was a woman and he touch the buldge
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Originally Posted by EvaCassini
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Originally Posted by Jamie French
Eva and Jamie, I know there is a context to all of this, I can understand that, it's easy to see and to follow through the thread. But this? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
This is the kind of reflections that are undoutfully incredibly helpful to all the transsexual women who are desperatly trying to be recognized as women here in America and all over the world but are still facing tremendous odds against them, are cast aside and indeed, often beaten, killed and treated like shit. So they are all, in the end, fags in drag, and we who appreciate their femininity are all in reality a bunch of fags running after cocks...?
That's just great. And you feel that Nysprod is simplistic?
You are a very lucid person, Jamie. You have a type of very crude and focused intelligence. Often, your views and perspectives are quite compelling in how they indeed cut through the bull shit. But there is a level at which lucidity becomes so simplistic it can't define any kind of reality but the cynicism of the perspective.
If that's the way you percieve yourself, "a fag", and all of us, it certainly is your prerogative, but I will never be able to share such a perspective and neither the most enlighten people of a society which is at last -thank God!- starting to understand the question and to deal with it, and neither the crushing majority of transsexual women.
If straight guys like transsexuals then there wouldn't be violence against transsexuals by guys who find out they are transsexuals.
Bump -- :)http://shemalestardb.com/cont1/11/80020_10.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
The theory is that all sexually active hetero men are attracted to shemales, but that doesn't mean some won't act out in a violent way when confronted with their own reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by bte
If someone puts a straight mans favorite female celebrity in front of them and then another same female celebrity with a COCK and the guy goes straight for the transexual one and the cock, sucking it.....he's not straight!
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Some people just don't like the "D". Lots of Females, Males, and Trans do not care for cock. Especially on a girl. It's very simple genetics.
If a fully hetero person only cares for the opposite sex's genitalia, then that's it. Your theory is bologna.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you say "EVERY MALE, who is sexually active (this means from the ages of ~12 to 89 ) are in someway attracted to SHEMALES."
Your theory makes no sense at all. Because out of all the Males I have known throughout my life ( Hundreds ), they do NOT all find SHEMALES attractive. As in pursuing in anyway to jack off to, meet and fuck. Some men just want the pussy.
What you suggest is some kind of alternate Star Trek/Star Wars/Woodstock Hippie reality where everyone is attracted to everyone without persecution. That's not the case. Get real buddy.
The ONLY, and I mean "ONLY" way a "Hetero" male would be somewhat attracted to a SHEMALE, is that he does NOT know said attractive Female-looking person has a PENIS.
But once the reveal happens, the said male will either flip-shit or be ok with it. Literally 50-50.
Flip shit - Strictly only attracted to VAGINA. Not expecting ( IN THE LEAST ) that there is a PENIS. Will either freak out and run or let his fear and ego take over and turn to violence. ( REAL evidence shows this is mainly the case. Being that there are lots of battery charges and/or killings. )
Ok w/ it - Most likely Bi, Curious, and/or attracted already to SHEMALES. And, can either tell by knowing her ( I.E. a porn model, friend, friend of a friend ) or can tell a "certain" thing is "askew". ( I.E. something noticeable like an Adams apple, shadow, hands, voice, gait, demeanor, mannerisms. ) Then will proceed to be a respectful guy or a complete pervert or both. All completely fine and acceptable, especially compared to what I mentioned above...the "MURDER" part.
I never said anything about females and trans girls...and I didn't equate being attracted to shemales as necessarily being attracted to dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvaCassini
Maybe they didn't want to admit it, and maybe you didn't have deep enough discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvaCassini
To be more specific "being attracted to" does not mean they will act out, jerk off to, or in any way accept their feelings...just as with some hetero men who have longings for other men occasionally, the feelings are deeply buried.
And there have been numerous instances of men who have murdered transsexuals after having had both consensual and non-consensual sexual relations with their victims...of course, there also have been instances when a man had no idea of the reality and then flipped out beforehand.
either way ladies please pleas please don't think you can "trick" a guy. 99/100 you will be ok...but all it takes is that 1 guy and you can be hurt....and you know that.
And in any event, as I said, it's my theory...I can't prove it's a fact just as you can't prove the opposite.
Tricking can indeed be a dangerous game, but it goes back to the type of man that transsexual women want to meet: those who are attracted to them in spite of their genitalia, and not because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SXFX
I absolutely believe this. I actually read this book recently called "Blink" and it talked about that when people are confronted with something new, they may not show the best reaction even if they really like it...and may not be aware they like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
The author didn't talked about sexuality, but I think the concept is the same. He showed an example of the singer of the group "No Doubt." His music was different and couldn't be categorized, but when music executives first heard him, they wanted to sign him right away. They knew right away his music was special. However, when his music was sent to consumer research, they found the audiences were not receptive to his music. In fact, he rated away below the average scores. Where the executives wrong? No, as you know the story, his music became hot..."No Doubt" indeed. There were other examples such as a TV show that showcased a woman as a career woman back in the 90s (career women were fairly new back than) and a furniture chair that looked weird, but was quite comfortable (people were used to the idea that a comfortable chair is suppose to look comfortable). But these all became hot and great hits.
So the examples show when people in general are confronted with something new, they may say things like "hate" it...but it may really be just a translation for "its different." And perhaps the same thing occurs with a straight man who encounters a beautiful transexual. Consciously they could never pull themselves to accept it, but unconsciously its just about attraction, desire, pleasure and the like. In fact, I think it is possible that men who like transexual woman are more experts on sexuality because they see sexuality for what it is. Just like the executives/experts who first heard No Doubt's music, they liked it right away even if it was different because they know how good music is suppose to sound, which kind of beat it should have, how catchy it is. The fact that something is different doesn't matter to them, if it has a catchy and rhythm that they seen in other music, they know it will work. In the same way, men who like transexuals may just understand that transexual women have many of the same qualities that they look for in a genetic women, beauty, breast...
I may have missed a post, but it appears to me that Eve has presented evidence in support of her position, and you haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
I'm really not into having a whole discussion about it...the whole thing can't be answered definitively anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianSpy
Peace, and now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
That's the tired excuse that scumbag defense attorneys use when the perp is charged with assault against a transgender. It was actually used in a homicide case when an escort was murdered by a deranged psychopath.Quote:
Originally Posted by bte
I think that Nysprod's "theory" is simply badly formulated. If I might suggest this formulation, to which Nysprod might or might not suscribe: "I think there is no reason why straight men shouldn't be attracted by a feminine being who look, feel, think, walk, talk, act, smell and conduct herself like a woman." If that's what he meant, I totally agree with him. And as the say goes, "if it walks like a duck and quack like a duck, well, it IS a duck". The only reason why someone wouldn't then, be attacted by such a person when he's attracted by women, is because that person has a cock. They can't get beyond that. Is it legitimate? Well, on what basis or from what perspective? The question could be judged from many...
i don't think doing all those things make you a woman though, because then you're implying all women look, feel, think, walk, talk act and smell a certain way.Quote:
Originally Posted by danthepoetman
there are certain things about a woman that are unchangeable, which is really the only thing that all women have in common and that's their chromosomes (as jamie pointed earlier).
btw: anyone remember the Caster Semenya case? there is a reason why people didn't ask her "so what gender do you consider yourself" and resorted to dna testing. because just like they say in law enforcement: "blood doesn't lie"
That's highly debatable. It's like asking what is death: heart stopping for a certain time, brain activity, cellular degradation? In this case, many other elements could be considered as constitutive of what a woman is, and the chromosomes are sometimes a bad one. For instance, women with CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensivity Syndrome, comes out of the womb as completely constituted girls, and they grow up as girls. Their chromosomes are, in a way, lying... There are numerous disorders that will dissociate the phenotype from the genotype, in someone, many that will also produce intersexuation phenomena, in which someone will be in-between, phenotypically, despite what the chromosomes are saying. There are also many chromosomic disorders that will distinguish the phenotype from the genetic program. Simply saying, "it's the chromosomes that determines everything" is an over simplification.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesoul
Recent neurological discoveries also tend to show that the sense of identity, and mainly the sense of sexual identity has a basis in a very precise location of the brain, and it appears more and more that many things can go "wrong" in the fetal developement to produce this particular type of intersexuation which consist in someone with a genotype and possibly a phenotype that are masculine and a sense of identity that is feminine.
Moreover, we have lived under the christian influence for so long, Bluesoul, that we still constantly tend to see things in double, if you will; you know, this schizophrenia which we've been thaught for centuries upon centuries that we are double beings, body and soul. The hard fact is, despite what we still tend to think, sometimes the appearances are not a superficial layer of reality but most of that reality itself -what you see is what you get.
So in the end it's complex, much more complex than that. And in the precise case we're talking about, I think it's very narrow minded not to concede anything to these women -so obviously women, in many cases-, and make a bunch of fags out of them. On the contrary, it's absolute nonsense.
And as to guys having desire for these women, Bluesoul, heterosexual desire for these women or any other, wouldn't you think it as more credible to imagine that they're attracted by these elements I enumerated in my previous post rather than by their chromosomes?
If all men are attracted to "shemales", then why are you so scared to confess to your family that you like them?Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
If and when I meet one that i think can be serious about a relationship, I will...until that happens, there's no reason to.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddygirl
Here's the thing about the chromosome arguments made here... on a board like this we really aren't talking about a handful of folks who live with a physical medical condition, (messed up chromosomes and other wacky chemical goof ups) we're talking about the kind of people that draw men to these boards. Most every performer (maybe one or two that I'm not aware of as exceptions) known to the guys of this board have perfectly fine and completely functional Y chromosomes. The medical anomalies are rarely fit for a job like this, for a slew of obvious reasons. (Also, the death analogy: When all systems have finally stopped working without help of outside influence. That's a pretty simple one... any single example of a kind of death is not death in and of itself just and indication that actual death is close at hand.)
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Originally Posted by danthepoetman
It's not a handful of folks. There are quite a bit of natal born females living with the condition. It is a valid argument because it's the truth. Classifying gender based on chromosomes is a flawed approach that has been proved wrong countless times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
actually, my comment concerning chromosomes was mainly to point out that being a woman is simply beyond what's on the surface, and what you see, and also about what you don't see. truth is absolute; it doesn't favor opinion nor is it interchangeable. so when you talk about "intersexuation phenomena" this helps explains why some people feel a certain way, but it doesn't make their truth THE truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by danthepoetman
as to your other comment "heterosexual desire for these women or any other, wouldn't you think it as more credible to imagine that they're attracted by these elements I enumerated in my previous post rather than by their chromosomes?"
actually i completely disagree. again, this isn't about what i prefer to imagine. each person has their own personal reasons of why they are attracted to another person- some are good reasons (such as their attraction to personality) and some are superficial (their social status/money).
i'd also prefer not to get into the "body and soul" discussion as that's another topic i tend to disagree with and feel isn't relevant at this point unless i'm missing something.
Actually, your statement "blood doesn't lie" infers that every woman with XY chromosomes is less of a woman than those with XX. So, essentially every woman on this board isn't a woman? Lol. Hm, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesoul