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The differences, true, between Obama and Bush are slight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulusierra
Being President isn't like bowling, you'll never get a 300 score. If you don't know what Obama is doing, then you don't need to know. Obama is looking 5 years down the road. If it can be done, Obama is doing it. The differences between Bush and Obama are black and white!!!
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Originally Posted by Ben
One of these guys loved war.........the other does not.
I would not call that a slight difference!
Is that why more people have been killed in A-stan in Tweedledumbs 1 term than in Tweedledee's 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by catherinefan
Just because they rename the deployed units or use contractors doesn't mean we're not killing more ppl more efficiently that ever b4.
Is that why we have troops on the ground in more countries than EVER before?
Is that why we have performed more Predator drone strikes...
Is that why we are assasinating foreign leader and American citizens?
Obama is owned by the same banks and corporations as Bush was. Republicn/Democrat is two sides of the same coin. If voting made a difference it would be illegal.
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Originally Posted by zulusierra
Just in case you have forgotten......the war in Afghanistan was also strarted by George Bush!
You HAVE to know that Bush put us in those wars and Obama is taking us out. Everybody knows that. Obama would have gone into Pakistan to Kill Osama Bin Laden in 2002. Bush didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulusierra
The banks own EVERYBODY. Obama can't wave a magic wand and cure poverty. Or take us out of a World Recession.
Bush was not a president that used to be a businessman, he was a businessman who just happened to be president. Obama's roots couldn't be more different. His Agenda couldn't be more different than Bush. Is he going to change your life? What would you like him to do? He got me a new Honda!!!
When we are actually out of the wars I will believe it. If OBL was actually killed, it was murder. The "official" reports state that he was unarmed and not fighting. It is against both the Hague and Geneva conventions to kill an unarmed person trying to surrender. Period. Don't believe everthing you see on Fox News and CNN.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
Bush sucked. So does Obama. The only difference is which part of the constitution they want to wipe their ass with first.
I don't want him to do anything to/for/about me and my loved ones besides stay out of my business. I am an adult and do not need the government to tell me who I can fuck/marry, what I can smoke/ingest, what I can say/do as long as I'm not restricting anyone else's civil rights.
Btw, if "he" actually got you a new honda, you need to thank the taxpayers. That's who foots the bills.:)
Welcome to the 21st century.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulusierra
OK, I'll bite. Who should "our leader" be?
I don't know. I do know that in a nation with 313,370,000 people we can do better than the clowns (on both sides of the aisle) that are currently running things.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
Actually, I don't feel that elections (being glorified popularity contests) are necessarily the best way to have a "representative" government. I think voting does have it's place in certain applications though (like ballot initiatives, local issues, ect...).
we can do better than the clowns (on both sides of the aisle) that are currently running things.
You would think so.....
Maybe the best leader is no leader. Alan Moore explicates. By anarchy he means libertarianism. (Alan Moore wrote V for Vendetta.)Quote:
Originally Posted by zulusierra
So, what would a libertarian society look like? Well, your guess is as good as mine. But there are different factions, as it were.
There is right leaning libertarianism associated with the likes of Ludwig Von Mises, Murray Rothbard and Ron Paul. And left-leaning libertarianism associated with the likes of Murray Bookchin, Rudolf Rocker and Noam Chomsky. So, pick your political poison -- ha ha! :))
Alan Moore on Anarchism - YouTube
Noam Chomsky on Libertarian Socialism - YouTube
Obama isn't a dove. Never has been. Look I, myself, am not a pacifist. It isn't realistic. Or sensible. (And, too, to suggest that Obama wants peace, well, everyone wants peace. Even Bush wanted peace. He asked Hussein and his sons to leave Iraq in '03 so we could have peace.)Quote:
Originally Posted by catherinefan
I mean, Obama could've -- and still can -- simply pulled out of Afghanistan if he detested war. (We eventually pulled out of Vietnam. So, when do we leave?) I mean, what's the endgame? Why are American troops still in Afghanistan?
I agree with Ron Paul on this issue. He's right.
This War Is Illegal! Ron Paul Afghanistan War Debate - YouTube
Bush -- wanting peace:
Archive: George Bush threatens Iraq 03-17-03 pt 1 - YouTube
And Obama:
Barack Obama on Afghanistan - YouTube
You guys don't seem to remember this whole thing is a crapshoot anyway. Some Dream Jefferson had that men could live in a country without a King. If Bush had pursued Bin Laden and killed him in 2002, the war would have been over then and there. Cheney would be President now. The Bush years were a complete and total disaster.
We (the US, the UK and the rest of the allies) invaded Afghanistan in 2001 when all the intell pointed to Bin Laden being in Pakistan. Wonder what happened there....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
There's also a good case for saying that the CIA essentially armed and made the Taliban into a credible fighting force in the first place on the basis that anyone fighting the Russians during the cold war was our friend, proving that it's possible to be both doctrinaire and hopelessly naive at the same time.
Bush and Blair got us into the fuckup that was Iraq by lying and into Afghanistan by a knowingly wilful misinterpretation of intelligence. As with most politicians, they have left the stage, amassed their fortunes and left their successors to clear up the mess.
Afghanistan is both intractable and probably insoluble as a military conundrum. But the mess that we are in is very largely of our own making. If we walk away too soon - and we will - the Afghan people will be left to carry the can, the Taliban will take over, and the country will tumble back into the dark ages of theocratic tyranny.
I don't see a solution, but at the same time the thought of the west abandoning the Afghans to their grisly fate sticks in my craw. There's a moral responsibility here. The question is how many of our soldiers' lives have to be lost before the calls for withdrawal become overwhelming.
I don't envy the politicians in their options, but I do believe that Obama and to a certain extent Cameron, are acting as sincerely and honestly as the dreadful circumstances allow.
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Originally Posted by Ben
I'm sure Obama isn't a dove but to suggest that Bush actually wanted peace......... Why then would he have started that war with Irak on totally false grounds, thereby forcing other countries to support his crooked plan? More than a million innocent civilians died in this totally unnecessary war. People that did have nothing at all to do with 9/11.
And unlike the victims of 9/11.......no-one remembers them.
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Agreed. Well said...Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
We have sunk low as a country to have a dog eater as President.
Perhaps thats one of the reasons we have a rule against foreigners in becoming President?
Obama: “I can’t believe Romney strapped his dog to the roof of his car. That ruins the flavor.”
Obama isn’t anti-woman; when he said “bitch,” he was referring to his meal.
When Obama was looking for a dog he wasn’t allergic to, I thought it was the dander he was worried about.
Obama: “I promise you: If you like your dog, you can keep him. Though I may ask you to share some with me.”
Cesar Milan (the Dog Whisperer): “Remember, it’s exercise, discipline, then affection.”
Obama: “Yeah, but what temperature do I set the oven?”
So are you casting aspersions on the entire population of Indonesia, or just your president?
I'm casting aspersions on a good portion of the population of Indonesia and my President. I'm trying not to be too jingoistic, but I don't think the country is well served by someone who didn't grow up here.
The Obama cure for a hangover – hair of the dog.
Bo doesn’t let Obama give him a bath anymore because the last time, the water was way, way too hot and there were carrots and celery floating around in it.
Because they eat dog???Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
You're a racist cunt, and unfunny with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
I don't believe I mentioned anything about Obama's race. I'd be just as disgusted if a white boy was a dog eater.
It is very telling that I'm called a racist when I dare to challenge the cult of personality of our dear leader (someone should alert the Secret Service that I'm making fun of him. Perhaps they will take time out from their whore-mongering to investigate me)
Q: Why did Obama take Bo for a walk?
A: Because he likes eating free range dog.
Q: When do the dog days of summer start at the Obama house?
A: When Barack Obama sets up the Weber grill.
Just to prove I'm not racist, I'll throw in a free Joe Biden joke:
The White House may have to lay off all nonessential workers if the government shuts down. You know: interns, pages, Biden...
At least for all of his plagairizing, dimwitted faults, Joe Biden doesn't go around eating dogs.
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Originally Posted by trish
Exactly, I don't believe in cultural relativism.
To quote Conan O'Brien:
"Indonesia
This year marks the fiftieth anniversary of your first democratic election, in which apparently, everyone voted to never have another democratic election. "
Not all countries are created equal. A big part of that inequality is the nation's culture. I believe that there are certain actions that are beyond the pale and the eating of dogs is one of them.
How Obama Became a Civil Libertarian's Nightmare
Obama has expanded and fortified many of the Bush administration's worst policies.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/15504...27s_nightmare/
So is there a reason behind your belief... reason so persuasive, clear and concise that it allows one to write off a whole population as morally deficient on the basis of their culinary choices?Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
So what? I've tried dog and deep-fried silkworms in Korea, snake and shark's fin soup in China, kangaroo in Australia and horse in Belgium, oh, and Hershey Bars in the US. Hershey is the only substance on the planet that actually tastes like vomit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
Wouldn't go out of my way to try them again, except maybe the horse.
And if Conan O'Brien is your cultural arbiter, well....
Dogs and silkworms are not the same. Dog's are man's best friend. You don't eat your friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
I'm not saying the dog you ate was beaten before it was slaughtered, but I"ve seen documentaries showing how they beat them in order to release adrenaline and other stress hormones which supposedly makes the flavor better. The conditions before death are pretty grim as well.
I would not eat a dog, chimp, dolphin, whale, or any other highly evolved, intelligent, social animal unless I absolutely had to. I did eat a whole bunch of weird stuff the year I lived in Japan, tho...:party:
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Originally Posted by trish
It is a question of morals. If you don't know why eating a dog is wrong, I can't explain it to you.
Do you eat pork? Pigs are also highly evolved social animals with acute intelligence not much below that of dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulusierra
And if you do eat meat are you concerned about the insanitary and factory conditions in which food animals are kept? Do you only eat free range eggs and chickens? Most US beef is pumped full of artificial hormones? Veal? Foie Gras? There are simply too many ways in which we in the west are too ready to condemn others' food practices without considering the horrors and scandals that underlie our own food industries.
The only people who can have an entirely clear conscience in this debate are vegetarians and vegans. Spurious relativism doesn't cut it.
What about abortion, cigar...is that cool with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
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Originally Posted by buttslinger
Nope.
The practice of abortion is dark stain on this country. As morally repugnant as the practice of slavery was in the 19th Century.
Would you go as far as Santorum and insist on rape victims carrying to term?Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
If you can't explain it, then you don't know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
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Originally Posted by trish
Correct, Trish. It's a question of moral relativism, more like. What gives mildcigar or anyone else the right to assume that his morals are somehow inherently superior to those of another culture?
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
Maybe you've never been blessed to experience the loyalty and affection of a good dog. If not, you are missing out on one of natures finest gifts. A pig won't defend my wife and child to the death, comfort a sick child in a hospital, or be a blind persons eyes.
You are correct about the horrible state of western food production.
Yes, I have been to abattoirs to get bovine eyes for research purposes. I think everyone should see where their food comes from at least once in their lives. It is nasty. It is inhumane. The conditions that the illegal immigrants are forced to work (actually they are treated like slaves) in are appalling and dangerous. I have no problem with eating meat or slaughtering animals, it is the inhumane conditions I have a problem with. There are ways to make it more ethical but that will not happen in my country.
One does not have to eschew meat to have a clear conscience. If you ethically hunt (in my area deer and pig and turkey to name a few) and fish you get the best of all worlds. The animal lives its life naturally, is hormone free and lean, and as long as the hunter does his part is dead before it realizes anything happened. Also, with a minimum amount of land, chicken, bees, and goats become viable options to raise yourself. I am not where I can subsist like this right now but am working on it.
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
That is idiotic. Of course some cultures are superior to other cultures. If you don't believe me, follow the below link to see what some of our muslim brothers have been up to recently:
http://www.care2.com/causes/150-afgh...ng-school.html
We should Christianize and civilize most of the muslim world.