2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

The problem with you'r argument is that some of this has been tried already and it doesn't seem to have worked. Obama expanded health cover substantially, but it didn't stop Trump being elected in 2016. Biden implemented more of the progressive agenda than any Democrat since FDR, and it didn't win votes.
https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/3...sive-economics

Inflation is a problem caused by demand growing faster than supply. It can't be fixed by wage and price controls, just as wasn't fixed when Nixon tried it.

It's pretty clear that the majority of voters don't share your view on unauthorised immigrants. If you don't want to stop them because America is illegitimate or whatever then get used to losing elections.

Your free trade equal free migration argument is silly because obviously the two things can be separated. NAFTA never allowed free migration.

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Originally Posted by Ben

Wage and price controls. Nixon did it. Back in the early 70s.
Nobody is illegal. I mean, is the idea of America legitimate? Is slavery and the extermination of the indigenous population legitimate?
We've so-called free trade w/ Mexico (really corporate rights agreements) and the core of free trade is the free circulation of labor. That's the core. Meaning you can go anywhere you want. Now you decide: should free trade exist...
Bring up people's living standards -- across the whirling world. Stop giving all the money to a few people (neoliberalism... which has had a very negative impact on the populace; great for the very, very rich but harmful to everyone else). So go back to the 1950s. Eisenhower. High taxes on the ridiculous rich. High social spending.
And, well, universal public health care. Free college.
Tax the hell out of the very rich. Back in 1942 Roosevelt proposed a 100 percent income tax on incomes above $25,000. Roughly $500,000 today.
Bring about more equality. Equality has very beneficial effects.
All these things would mean we don't get deranged criminals like Trump.
So, the root of the problem (instead of blaming one another) is the system, the structure. If we don't address that, well, we're lost... and will move further and further into fascism.

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The root of the problem is the Democrat party did not listen to the Black/Hispanic/Indian American Republicans. The Democrats also didn't listen to the Black/Hispanic/Indian American PEOPLE who said WHY they were voting for Trump.

Listening to the PEOPLE is key and NOT listening to yourselves. The warning signs were out for about a year and a half, Democrat party just didn't listen. One example is below

Why Indian-Americans are breaking from the Democrats
https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/why-i...EH2WrSrpHlI8Nw

You mean INcoherent, full of nonsense whack job.

Complete buffoon, and Valor thief. Can't even handle a simple shotgun. BTW, how did her vp choice work out?

Walz.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

I don't think he knows what it means either - probably just repeating something he saw on the internet.
"Simp is a slang insult for men who are seen as too attentive and submissive to women, especially out of a failed hope of winning some entitled sexual attention or activity from them."
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/simp/

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Arnold said it best a while ago - girly man. And no, I'm not referring to the TG community.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

It is like Brexit, but with global implications. A country consumed by lies that chooses isolation over inclusion, that joins with others with its complete contempt for both domestic and international law, not creating a new world order, but dismantling the one which was created after 1945, and replacing it with nothing other than unrestrained ambition, and war.

Russia might be desperate if it needs troops from North Korea, but if the US stops aiding Ukraine, the consequences might not just be Russia's territorial ambitions resembling the old USSR, millions of refugees will seek sanctuary -where will they go?

Israel, Supreme, having destroyed Gaza and on the way to destroying Lebanon, almost daily bombing Syria, is now free to attack Iran, not for 'regime change' but to cause chaos and division, above all to neutralize it, draining it of its ability to support Lebanon and the 'Houthi' in Yemen, the latter two with Saudi Arabia's blessing. And again, having already created 3 million refugees with more to come, where will they go?

Tariffs, and the Beast's dismissal of NATO and the EU may lead to the demise of both, with dire consequences for Germany, which on top of an economic recession will be expected to take in refugees from the Middle East and Ukraine -is the US going to take them?

The contempt for the UN, and notably its agencies -WHO, UNRWA, UNICEF, the World Bank -suggests there is a danger that the world we lived in is coming to an end, to be replaced with an age of Barbarism with no moral leadership, in which human life is worth nothing, a world in which millions of refugees seek a home, with every door closed to them.

The lamps are going out all over the world, I may not see them lit again in my lifetime.

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A bit anti semite there??

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Originally Posted by Stavros

What we don't (yet) know -how many people who would have voted Democrat never voted, because the polling station was closed, because they were purged from the roll, or denied in some other way.

What happens now to the court cases?

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Name ONE US citizen, who is Not a felon, who has Not moved to a different location since originally registering, who was "purged" from any voter roll.

NO polling stations closed early, and it is up to the Voter to know where his or her polling location is.

There were however voters in red districts (possibly in PA) who were threatened with having their ballots made provisional when a polling station had problems and remained open for two hours. All those who were in line during the extended time were told their ballots were to be made provisional.

They are still lying to themselves and to the people. pmsnbc is even worse. They can keep it up for all I care, we will see 8 years of JD Vance as president as a result.

Remember what Abe said:

'You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

and: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

The root of the problem is the Democrat party did not listen to the Black/Hispanic/Indian American Republicans. The Democrats also didn't listen to the Black/Hispanic/Indian American PEOPLE who said WHY they were voting for Trump.

Listening to the PEOPLE is key and NOT listening to yourselves. The warning signs were out for about a year and a half, Democrat party just didn't listen. One example is below

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Since when have America's Billionaires listened to the people? Most of them got rich from Govt contracts or tax payer subsidies, which is why Ben is right to argue for a systemic appraisal of the current situation in the US. It is a system -the Capitalist system- that gets people to pay twice or even more times for goods and services that they produce, in whose profits they do not share. Imagine the absurdity of people paying one of the richest corporations in the world -Exxon- to put gasoline in their car, after paying a subsidy to what, keep the company going? Like it's going to go bust without a tax payer subsidy?

In aggregate terms, the US economy is in better shape today than it was when Trump left office.

If prices are high and the cost of living hard, whose fault is it? Who decides the price of eggs, meat and bread? Kamala Harris?

Who will benefit from the Trump administration? The people? If you think that you are seem to have forgotten what happened last time.

Trump made more money playing golf in 4 years than Tiger Woods made in 20, and you can be sure he will be playing Golf more times than he talks peace with Israel, the Arabs, Russians and Ukrainians.

Who is the rising star of the new Trump era? Billionaire Elon Musk -when he selects his top team how many will be Millionaires and Billionaires?

When did any of these Billionaires pledge to give away their fortunes to finance education or health or any public good?

The USA is on the way to becoming a country of Oligarchs, for the Oligarchs, Trump the new Yeltsin. As for the People -who cares about them as long as they hand over their money to the men who matter, who don't even need it?