2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

[filghy2]

The thing that concerns me the most is how on earth could Liberal media completely miss the stance of the American people? (Regardless of how ugly).

So people that only followed Liberal news media outlets were hugely disappointed today because they weren't told the ugly truth about where Americans stand.

Lesson learned: Paint the true picture, no matter how ugly it is.

To be fair, they were following polls that mostly suggested the election would be close. I doubt think they somehow thought Trump would win easily, but decided to mislead their readers.

[Stavros]

The thing that concerns me the most is how on earth could Liberal media completely miss the stance of the American people? (Regardless of how ugly).

So people that only followed Liberal news media outlets were hugely disappointed today because they weren't told the ugly truth about where Americans stand.

Lesson learned: Paint the true picture, no matter how ugly it is.

The Liberal media? How many Americans get their news from the New York Times or the Jimmy Kimmel show? Maybe the 'dark secret' is that Fox News, and the other pro-Trump media outlets told one lie after another to scare the wits out of Americans who don't do their own research to find out if it is true that Haitian immigrants eat dogs and cats -even when the man himself was confronted with the facts he insisted the truth was not known.

How many of the 'alternative' media outlets told the truth about the health of the US economy since Biden became President, and then pointed out how it is that grocery prices are high -not because of Biden, but ruthless businesses who always raise prices never lower them, even when the costs go low? How many of the same sources told the stories of Americans being murdered by a couple of illegal or legal immigrants, but never told of the deaths of pregnant women who could not get treatment because health practitioners are terrified of going to prison and losing their careers if they terminate a pregnancy, or in one case allow a woman to die who miscarried. This is shameful, but if Elon Musk is the source of news, it is beyond that to some alternative universe in which Planet Earth and all that happens here is 'yesterday's news'.

Now consider the impact of not very bright people receiving messages like this:

Here, from today's Guardian is from an American who writes for the paper

"Kamala Harris announcing that she was running for president coincided with my social media algorithms bombarding me with Christian “tradwife” content about the importance of serving and obeying one’s husband, and not working outside the home. This alternative reality isn’t a side of America that many Europeans had seen. You might be dimly aware that historically the country was founded by religious fundamentalists deemed too extreme for European sensibilities, but there’s something about seeing quite how unhinged and retrograde the content is that really brings the ideological disconnect home.".
People around the world are appalled by Trump’s win, but women have been gripped by a visceral horror | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett | The Guardian

We don't have people like that in the UK, certainly not with that ability to reach people directly. This religious nonsense is something we don't connect with. I have a box attached to my tv which gives me lots of channels, most of which are garbage, but recently they added Jimmy Swaggart's channel, and I have watched it with incredulity at the fabulous rubbish they broadcast, but the point is I just don't get it. Yet maybe this matters to Americans. A measure of how easy it is to embrace extremism as if it were normal. Because they don't think they are extreme.

[Stavros]

PS. Look at that 'family photo' -no Melania, but who's that guy on the right? Elon Musk. 'Nuff said.

[blackchubby38]

I just saw this report the on local news. Its about a continuing trend that I posted an article about in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Why I don't think New York will ever become a swing state, it should be a wake up call for the Democratic Party.

County-by-county election results map for New York. How did my county vote in the 2024 presidential race?


www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-map-county-by-county-election-results-2024-presidential-race/

[MrFanti]

The thing that concerns me the most is how on earth could Liberal media completely miss the stance of the American people? (Regardless of how ugly).

So people that only followed Liberal news media outlets were hugely disappointed today because they weren't told the ugly truth about where Americans stand.

Lesson learned: Paint the true picture, no matter how ugly it is.

To elaborate:
A thorough review of the Iowa Poll has begun into disparity between its results, actual vote
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...o/76110540007/

Libera media & pollsters should apologize to audiences for not painting the ugly real picture to them.

[Ben]

Sanders Blasts the Dem Party Following Harris Loss:
Bernie Sanders Blasts the Democratic Party Following Harris Loss

[filghy2]

Sanders Blasts the Dem Party Following Harris Loss:
Bernie Sanders Blasts the Democratic Party Following Harris Loss

So he thinks the right response to voters shifting to the right is for the Democrats to move to the left? They actually did a lot of the things he wanted, but he's still complaining.

It seems that the loss was due mainly to voters being unhappy about inflation and illegal immigrants. What would Bernie have done differently to fix those problems?

[Stavros]

I just saw this report the on local news. Its about a continuing trend that I posted an article about in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Why I don't think New York will ever become a swing state, it should be a wake up call for the Democratic Party.

County-by-county election results map for New York. How did my county vote in the 2024 presidential race?


www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-map-county-by-county-election-results-2024-presidential-race/

Interesting link...but...

a) did the vote for Clinton reflect her status as Senator for the State as well as the familiarity with Trump as a con-man in the city?

b) is the gap between the votes for previous Democrats and Harris a personal thing, that people just don't like or trust her?

c) I can understand the fatigue with the Democrats, there have been examples in the UK where Labour or the Tories have been in power forever, and nothing much changes, but this is also true in the US where the Republicans are the forever party. I don't see how this can change unless you change the electoral system -in the UK people advocate change by ditching first past the post to proportional representation. In the US the electoral system should be taken out of State control and given to an Independent Electoral Commission that draws electoral boundaries and administers the elections, with one universal system for all 50 States.

d) I don't understand why it was possible for Abbott, and also De Santis to traffic people from their States to New York and not be arrested, as I understand human trafficking is illegal in the USA.

e) What has happened to social policy? Have Americans become so disenchanted with individual liberty that they will support a Trump/Vance administration making same-sex marriage and divorce illegal? Are the rights of Transgendered Americans now to be abolished? New York -or is it just New York City is famously 'liberal' though an American from Nebraska (in the days of Reagan) once told me 'New York City is not America'- are you about to live through a revival of the Puritan Ethics of Colonial America?

[MrFanti]

Sanders Blasts the Dem Party Following Harris Loss:
Bernie Sanders Blasts the Democratic Party Following Harris Loss

He's absolutely correct!
Like it or not, Democrats lost touch with the working class and instead, became the party of the elite!

[Ben]

So he thinks the right response to voters shifting to the right is for the Democrats to move to the left? They actually did a lot of the things he wanted, but he's still complaining.

It seems that the loss was due mainly to voters being unhappy about inflation and illegal immigrants. What would Bernie have done differently to fix those problems?

Wage and price controls. Nixon did it. Back in the early 70s.
Nobody is illegal. I mean, is the idea of America legitimate? Is slavery and the extermination of the indigenous population legitimate?
We've so-called free trade w/ Mexico (really corporate rights agreements) and the core of free trade is the free circulation of labor. That's the core. Meaning you can go anywhere you want. Now you decide: should free trade exist...
Bring up people's living standards -- across the whirling world. Stop giving all the money to a few people (neoliberalism... which has had a very negative impact on the populace; great for the very, very rich but harmful to everyone else). So go back to the 1950s. Eisenhower. High taxes on the ridiculous rich. High social spending.
And, well, universal public health care. Free college.
Tax the hell out of the very rich. Back in 1942 Roosevelt proposed a 100 percent income tax on incomes above $25,000. Roughly $500,000 today.
Bring about more equality. Equality has very beneficial effects.
All these things would mean we don't get deranged criminals like Trump.
So, the root of the problem (instead of blaming one another) is the system, the structure. If we don't address that, well, we're lost... and will move further and further into fascism.